considering manufacturing
2" extended shackles
2" body lift
full set of urethane spring & shackle bushes
heavy duty shocks to suit 2" inc lift
2" heavy duty lifted leaf springs
FULL SET OF FRONT AND REAR U BOLTS
so in total 6" of lift
what would you guys pay for this type of kit??
cheers nick
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would you be interested in this and for how much
would you be interested in this and for how much
98 Vitara 2dr Soft Top
so a lifted but lower spring rate fair enough
but the kit it self
say the whole it minus the shackles or body lift which ever it may be so its not to big how much do u think this type of suspention kit would go for
also steering dampner with the spring on it would also be included in this kit
but the kit it self
say the whole it minus the shackles or body lift which ever it may be so its not to big how much do u think this type of suspention kit would go for
also steering dampner with the spring on it would also be included in this kit
98 Vitara 2dr Soft Top
imo 2 inch extended shackles are very long. most extended shackles I have seen are closer to 35mm longer. At the end of the day there is only any point making this stuff if you make something that works better. so some nice soft lifted springs that resist axle wrap would be good. If you have the skills to make bushes then some poly urathane flares (similar to the calmini ones) would be popular, as they are way to expensive in Aus. There are a few people already making body lifts and shackles that look good.
If you do a body lift make sure its reversible (female bolts) this is the difference between a garden variety and professional body lift.
Things I would like to see in a suspension kit.
something that no one is doing (that I have seen) are bumpstop spacers. alloy block with the mounting holes and bolts supplied would be
As a kit goes, this would allow your shocks to be longer then any other suzuki valved shocks on the market. Another thing that would be nice in a kit with extended shackles would be some Castor correction plates, to put the castor back to stock sierra. also seeing as were making sure its really complete, throw in a drop pitman arm to help reduce bump steer. with these kinds of considerations you should get a car that handle similar on road to a stock sierra with extra flex offroad
If you do a body lift make sure its reversible (female bolts) this is the difference between a garden variety and professional body lift.
Things I would like to see in a suspension kit.
something that no one is doing (that I have seen) are bumpstop spacers. alloy block with the mounting holes and bolts supplied would be
As a kit goes, this would allow your shocks to be longer then any other suzuki valved shocks on the market. Another thing that would be nice in a kit with extended shackles would be some Castor correction plates, to put the castor back to stock sierra. also seeing as were making sure its really complete, throw in a drop pitman arm to help reduce bump steer. with these kinds of considerations you should get a car that handle similar on road to a stock sierra with extra flex offroad[url]http://www.vic.suzuki4wd.com/forum[/url]
Try_me, I'm not being negative, but what are you trying to get going here?
OME make the best sierra springs available
Just crusin' sells the best body lift available
Longer shackles are so cheap to make they're almost free
Like Muppetman said, if you are trying to do something different, that's great, but what is your level of involvement? do you know someone who manufactures in China or similar and can get this stuff made cheap? What do you know about spring design, shock valving etc? what can your suppliers offer?
Bear in mind too that a 2" lift is technically illegal, a suspension lift is illegal with a 2" BL without an engineers under the NCOP, and longer shackles are just plain out. Selling this stuff as a package might not be a smart move.
If you wanted to offer a kit with bumpstop spacers, longer shocks, longer leaves designed to work with stock shackle lengths but with bumpstop spacing, and some approriate length shocks, slightly off centre front pin to pull the front axle forward a little, small front driveshaft spacer, and a few other little tricks, might be the business. I'd say there would be around $2K in the kit.
Just my 2C
Steve.
OME make the best sierra springs available
Just crusin' sells the best body lift available
Longer shackles are so cheap to make they're almost free
Like Muppetman said, if you are trying to do something different, that's great, but what is your level of involvement? do you know someone who manufactures in China or similar and can get this stuff made cheap? What do you know about spring design, shock valving etc? what can your suppliers offer?
Bear in mind too that a 2" lift is technically illegal, a suspension lift is illegal with a 2" BL without an engineers under the NCOP, and longer shackles are just plain out. Selling this stuff as a package might not be a smart move.
If you wanted to offer a kit with bumpstop spacers, longer shocks, longer leaves designed to work with stock shackle lengths but with bumpstop spacing, and some approriate length shocks, slightly off centre front pin to pull the front axle forward a little, small front driveshaft spacer, and a few other little tricks, might be the business. I'd say there would be around $2K in the kit.
Just my 2C
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
i get what u mean Steve
know a guy who does logistics he knows all the suppliers manufactures etc overseas and can do me very good rates to ship etc was just trying to see what you guys would think taking no offence etc to what u said which i think u would know more than me lol but never hurts to ask questions
so what u wrote steve u think would be something to look into doing
know a guy who does logistics he knows all the suppliers manufactures etc overseas and can do me very good rates to ship etc was just trying to see what you guys would think taking no offence etc to what u said which i think u would know more than me lol but never hurts to ask questions
so what u wrote steve u think would be something to look into doing
98 Vitara 2dr Soft Top
Hey Steve, will an engineer approve longer shackles in vic under any condition? If they can be then I cant see the problem with designing a kit to suit, you just have to make sure that people know that they need an engineers certificate for the kit to be roadworthy. but keep it coming moving the front diff forward and longer rear spring to produce some better shackle angles would be nice.
Try_me I think to produce a kit like we are talking though would involve some substantial R+D. As a starter though I think if you provided some 2 inch dropped bumpstop spacers with the shocks to match, that would be pretty cool. No one else is doing this.
Try_me I think to produce a kit like we are talking though would involve some substantial R+D. As a starter though I think if you provided some 2 inch dropped bumpstop spacers with the shocks to match, that would be pretty cool. No one else is doing this.
[url]http://www.vic.suzuki4wd.com/forum[/url]
i personally would like to see a kit that could be sold not to lift but for know fixes for zooks.
eg. shifter bolts, shifter bushes, susp bushes, starter wiring upgrade kit, loom kit, tacho gauges
, and so on.. things that are easy for the standard zook owner to replace and fix before they stuff up on them.
i know its away from your train of thought but as the other guys mentioned, there are other blokes doing each section of upgrades to an extent. but good ideas mate keep on it.
eg. shifter bolts, shifter bushes, susp bushes, starter wiring upgrade kit, loom kit, tacho gauges
, and so on.. things that are easy for the standard zook owner to replace and fix before they stuff up on them. i know its away from your train of thought but as the other guys mentioned, there are other blokes doing each section of upgrades to an extent. but good ideas mate keep on it.
I am anecdotally aware that cars have been passed with longer shackles on them, but my $$$ says the longer shackles don't appear on the cert. In the car I am thinking of, they aren't much over stock and tucked well away under the back of the car. I think if they were mentioned, they would have had to come off.muppet_man67 wrote:Hey Steve, will an engineer approve longer shackles in vic under any condition?
anyone hoping to market a kit with shackles as part of the package would have to get some very good advice from an engineer or the registration authority in their state.... or buy a big roll of "offroad use only" stickers
Muppetman, you are spot on about the amount of R&D involved. OME produce the best springs because they have lots of engineering expertise, not by luck.
Likewise with stretching out travel - there are heaps of little issues to deal with. I am running a combination ATM that "should" work - VS commodore rear shocks in the front and 2" bumpstop spacers. The shocks are too long and are bottoming, but lots of people recommend this setup.
Once you step outside of factory parameters you have a huge job ahead of you.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
sounds good will have to have a look see whats out there and go from theresmileysmoke wrote:i personally would like to see a kit that could be sold not to lift but for know fixes for zooks.
eg. shifter bolts, shifter bushes, susp bushes, starter wiring upgrade kit, loom kit, tacho gauges
i know its away from your train of thought but as the other guys mentioned, there are other blokes doing each section of upgrades to an extent. but good ideas mate keep on it.
drop pit arm?? anyone interested if i can get these manufactured??
or whats some little things i could put together like above to make a kit.
what if i could consult OME etc and produce a kit using there items and some of my own
e.g OME springs and Shocks, Bushes, BumpStop Spacers drive shart spacer etc.
98 Vitara 2dr Soft Top
opening another can of worms here i think!
Ok so I understand the concept of having longer shocks for more travel downwards,
but why limit the movement by putting lowered bump stops, yeah the shocks are to long for up travel but if you want to climb something you want the diff to get as close to the body as possible.
understanding the limits of legalities with moving the shock mount up is another thing.
if enginears can aprove a chassis extension for the RUF set up why cant they approve the shock mounts being moved up or changed to a custom set up all together, as to match the travel in the leaf spring - coil.
and longer shackles well its already been said on here, its a NO NO. same as drop shackles. why? to much chance of the leaf spring wraping - twisting out of possition on road, aparently not stable enough acording to transport authorities.
if we can put a bigger engine in/ bigger brakes/2" suspension/ Body lift.change our seats/ seat belts/ extend the chassis/
why cant we change where the shockie mounts to legally. seriously! i can take my shocks out and get a smoother ride, slightly more of a wavey effect when driving but heaps better off road,
Or have i been mis led and you can get the shock towers moved with enginears aproval?
Ok so I understand the concept of having longer shocks for more travel downwards,
but why limit the movement by putting lowered bump stops, yeah the shocks are to long for up travel but if you want to climb something you want the diff to get as close to the body as possible.
understanding the limits of legalities with moving the shock mount up is another thing.
if enginears can aprove a chassis extension for the RUF set up why cant they approve the shock mounts being moved up or changed to a custom set up all together, as to match the travel in the leaf spring - coil.
and longer shackles well its already been said on here, its a NO NO. same as drop shackles. why? to much chance of the leaf spring wraping - twisting out of possition on road, aparently not stable enough acording to transport authorities.
if we can put a bigger engine in/ bigger brakes/2" suspension/ Body lift.change our seats/ seat belts/ extend the chassis/
why cant we change where the shockie mounts to legally. seriously! i can take my shocks out and get a smoother ride, slightly more of a wavey effect when driving but heaps better off road,
Or have i been mis led and you can get the shock towers moved with enginears aproval?
I hate going to weddings because all the grandma's used to poke me in the ribs saying you're next, you're next. They've stopped doing it since I started doing it to them at funerals.
Yes, you can legally engineer relocated shackle mounts. I have done it.
Why are bumpstop spacers good? they allow a larger tyre as well as a longer shock. It also means for the same amount of shock travel the shock mounts can be lower meaning less through the floor/lower towers in the front.
When you talk about getting the diff as close to the body as possible, well, yes, but that's true only for a particular combination. Really, what you want to do is get the compressed wheel onto the bumpstop quickly, because this is when the car is at it's most stable. If that is a bit higher than before (because of a lowered bumpstop) then that's fine, especially if it allows more droop on the other side.
If you want to sell a kit, though, it's not going to be much of a kit of everything has to be welded on, so some bolted bumpstop spacers and longer shocks to suit stock mounts would have a market, so long as the quality, price and performance were right.
Try_me - here goes captain negative again, but you will have absolutely no chance in getting ARB to supply you with parts that you then add to. I know some senior people at ARB and that's not gonna fly. If you use their product outside of it's intended application they'll just walk away.
In any case, OME shocks are application specific so you would have to get them to build you sierra fitment shocks but longer etcetc. It's not going to happen.
I was talking to ARB's national aftermarket manager ages ago about why can't they make rear leaves with a driver's and passengers side like the fronts (so cars with RUF don't lean as bad) and he just brushed me off.
Steve.
Why are bumpstop spacers good? they allow a larger tyre as well as a longer shock. It also means for the same amount of shock travel the shock mounts can be lower meaning less through the floor/lower towers in the front.
When you talk about getting the diff as close to the body as possible, well, yes, but that's true only for a particular combination. Really, what you want to do is get the compressed wheel onto the bumpstop quickly, because this is when the car is at it's most stable. If that is a bit higher than before (because of a lowered bumpstop) then that's fine, especially if it allows more droop on the other side.
If you want to sell a kit, though, it's not going to be much of a kit of everything has to be welded on, so some bolted bumpstop spacers and longer shocks to suit stock mounts would have a market, so long as the quality, price and performance were right.
Try_me - here goes captain negative again, but you will have absolutely no chance in getting ARB to supply you with parts that you then add to. I know some senior people at ARB and that's not gonna fly. If you use their product outside of it's intended application they'll just walk away.
In any case, OME shocks are application specific so you would have to get them to build you sierra fitment shocks but longer etcetc. It's not going to happen.
I was talking to ARB's national aftermarket manager ages ago about why can't they make rear leaves with a driver's and passengers side like the fronts (so cars with RUF don't lean as bad) and he just brushed me off.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
why the scary eyes? Not a stupid question and would probably alleviate some of the concern some engineers have about the sidewards movement that the shackles can allowToecutta wrote:sierrajim wrote:On a side note, i wonder if extended shackles could be engineered with a panhard bar?
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