other motors

[want33s]

Early Daihatsu's used Suzuki drivelines until they started making their own. Bodies look same but are different.
Mine does not have the power valve you mention.

[offroader-rama]

tell me do you like it first ???

[want33s]

http://jeepfc.www5.50megs.com/fc170/fc-170.htm

[drakan69]

offroader-rama would you be doing a build up thread on that 3rz powered sierra?
very interested in something along the same lines myself, but will probably end up just going 22r or something cause i'm poor and haven't won lotto yet

would be good to see some photo when she's done


Anyone got any comments on a 4agze in a zook?

[offroader-rama]

will do mate but will do it through nbs probaly, as i dont know how to post on here i will put a link though so every one will know
as for 4agze great swap up there with best swaps the only down side i can see is for the same money and very similar work you can put a sr20det and have an extra 100hp that can be turned on and off through waste gate etc..down side to sr20det is extra weight over front so if your not going with lift and diff up grade bigger wheels etc maybe the 4agze maybe better

my 2c

[offroader-rama]

ok, now you know what it is, do you like it want33s.

[Gwagensteve]

Offroader-rama -

How far into the job are you? We have an SR20DE engined car in the club in Melbourne and it doesn't look like a DET manifold would clear the brake cylinder.

Not being negative - I'm sure there is a way around it, but the extra bulk all around the DET will make fitting the motor a hassle judging by what I have seen in the car here. Intercooling would also have to be an issue.

Also, there were hassles with the radiator being lower than the head - a header tank had to be fitted on the firewall above the head.

I agree with your earlier comments about the manual gearbox, I was more thinking if the last car I had seen which was a 1.0 - pretty sure it didn't clear the 1.0 tunnel. The auto way doesn't clear even a 1.3 tunnel

Steve.

[offroader-rama]

steve which car are you refering to the ca18det or the one thats getting a 2.7 ltr na
if you are refering to the ca18det in mine it fits tight but all good just enough room for brake master cylinder had to cut out tunnel as mine was 1tr and do a body lift a 1.3 ltr woudn,t need to cut tunnel as for radiator its right behind the grill leaving just enough room for a themo fan, no cluch fan on motor.asnd as for inter cooler i did a top mount i drove the car for like this for just over a year then took it of the road for a new ca18det and hilux diffs as i spun a nt diff of the perches in turn blow the crown wheel and pinion due to no oil left in the and i am over it as a sleeper no its time to play properly OFFROAD yee haa I also brought the suspension out of liams BBM silver sierra to go in it.
if you talking about the 2.7ltr then the intake runs over the top so master cylinder wont be a problem.
if your talking about the sr20det whats the difference between de and det inlet manifold i didn't think there was one exept maybe the pcv at rear but there only 20mm or so ???

[Gwagensteve]

sorry mate, yeah I meant SR20.

My bad if the turbo and NA manifolds are the same - I thought they were different from what I recalled.

I know with joey's SR20 car there are a heap of clearance issues. It's in... and has an endless air compressor and power steer, but the inlet side of the motor is really busy.

One inlet port sits between the front and rear brake lines out of the master cylinder. and there is a very tight elbow between the inlet manifold and the AFM to get it to clear the radiator/radiator support. lots of trial and error to get the engine position correct to clear everything.

CA18's seem to go in to sierras nicely, and from what I have seen, SR20's go into vitaras nicely.

I agree, 3RZ manifolding shoudln't be an issue, only overall height and length.

Steve.

[offroader-rama]

the ca throttle body sits level with rocker cover, so its easy to get to, but the sr does sit a lot lower near level with pistons, unless you use a sr from a serena van, then the throttle body is level with crank, and is at the rear of the motor this could be simply plumbed it the cab to a air cleaner under dash n/a only of course.

There are so many veriants to the sr20 that almost any combo could work and there are so many after market goodies too, that potensial in power and configuration is endless.

It is a expensive option, buyer beware, not for shallow pockets you have to dedecated, but you have to blow your money some where dont you.

and i think long term a sr20 is a good swap if your planning to keep the car but if you plan to be a mud pig and thrash it then i would go a carby'd motor at least you'll get home. electronics doesn't like being submerged

IMHO of course

and we havernt started the new beast still toying between sr20 and 3rz it'll depend on my mates pockets and availability when the time comes in about 2 months i should think as we have a trip planned for christmas

[drakan69]

I've no idea on carby motors that would go into a Zook, can someone give me some idea's?
Other than G16a i mean.

[offroader-rama]

4ac, 5k, a15, ca20, L16/18/20, 18r, 22r, 3y/4y, there is a few ranging from 1.5ltrs to 2.2 ltrs and there just some of nissan and toyota all of which are very cheap rollin imports do a 4y 2.2ltr brand new crate motor $1000 never being used it has no bolt ons carby starter etc but will go on a hilux gearbox transfer or use a celica gear box and sierra transfer finished less than $2000 in the right hands, and they go great, just a little heavy so diffs, wheels etc... will need upgading to compansate

[Jock]

I like Suzuki motors personally.

All alloy, light weight, designed to fit, high revving, and easily approval able. Get a G16 with injection. Simplest and easist to resell too.

Toyota 20V are an option for street use.

Other than that I wouldn't waste my time. (Because I have before)

Early toyota engines like the 3/4/5K are just pointless. Outdated engines not worth their weight in scrap. Same as Nissan A series motors.

If you want a one off super special engine that no one else has get a V-4 from a capri, or another small capacity V-4 engine. Lots out there but would need some research

Or maybe one of these. A light weight diesel V-4 with up to 200 hp
http://www.deltahawkengines.com/

V8 are not really recommonded. at all. in the slightest. Trust me. they are WAY toooooo big and heavy.

302 Cleveland in a 81 sierra

[mr green]

that almost looks factory

[offroader-rama]

jock you have to remember that there are a lot of guys that just flog there sierra's, especialy when it comes to bog holes, seeing how fast and how many times they can go through it, over it, under it, what ever, and think there i a datto 1600 rally car driving through the bush trying to get it side ways etc makeing those "early out dated" toyota 3/4/5k and nissan a series motors a good thing very easy to work on very reliable and cheaper than a sierra motor to fix and on that not a good up grade from the k's is the 7k a 1.8ltr push rod motor. very simple torquey motor for a simple fun cheap car i still believe these motors have a place not everyone can work on or wants efi.

[St Jimmy]

have we worked out whot the best motor is as i hurt mine yesterday on the main road run out off oil split a oil line to my gauge so it might be new motor time as i want to put a auto on it so motor gearbox combo and i don't want to go to radical with the conversion

[built4thrashing]

gotta love the removable corrigated roof on the 302 beast. Saftey bunting window nets are a good look and that windscreen

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[cjdeane10]

LOL... that windscreen would do wonders for the bugs and dust and mud and rain when you are doing +200km/hr from the big V8...

[St Jimmy]

on that note i have heard of people using the head and exhaust (expansion chamber) of a suzuki tripple 2 stroke road bike on the 500 and 800cc 2 strockers spose to get huge revs 8000rpm+ dont know power figure but would be better maybe just in higher revs

i ran suzuki 550 triple expansion chambers and flatside carbs runnig f1 brand reeds at the time porting and crank timing reved to 7500 with lj 50 gearbox around 120kph flat out but you could hear it 2ks away as i did'nt use mufflers eg motor x style in the 70s wish i had it now

[offroader-rama]

boner you showing your age now
finding that stuff now would be mission, i dont think it would be dear just hard to source, it would make a good buggy project i reckon

[St Jimmy]

boner you showing your age now
finding that stuff now would be mission, i dont think it would be dear just hard to source, it would make a good buggy project i reckon

i'm older than dirt i've decided not to quit the forum becouse of one person who thinks he is god

[Gwagensteve]

Turned into a pretty good thread Boner Like the sound of the 2 stroke. (Actually, I might not have liked the sound of the 2 stroke )

Steve.

[offroader-rama]

thats right, boner started this mayhem didn't he.

you where just fishing weren't you boner!!??

[St Jimmy]

if i told you the truth i'd have to kill you

[lay80n]

Its the Newcastle blood isnt it Boner

One problem with the 2-stroke offroad would be compression braking, or the total lack off it.

Layto....

[St Jimmy]

Its the Newcastle blood isnt it Boner

One problem with the 2-stroke offroad would be compression braking, or the total lack off it.

Layto....

yep the only problem with 2stroke was 25 kph up hill and 250 down very scary stuff but fun

[offroader-rama]

just look for the exit, point it, then gun it, no need to slow down

[MightyMouse]

And to continue "way out of left field" theres lots of really powerful
outboard motors out there, water cooled injected two strokes, so
running them horiz instead of vertically shouldn't be impossible.

They are also compact. And before anyone asks I cant tell you what
gearbox they would mate to -but IMO more practical than a bike engine.[/u]

[St Jimmy]

And to continue "way out of left field" theres lots of really powerful
outboard motors out there, water cooled injected two strokes, so
running them horiz instead of vertically shouldn't be impossible.

They are also compact. And before anyone asks I cant tell you what
gearbox they would mate to -but IMO more practical than a bike engine.[/u]

like the new yammi 5.3 v8 nice

[Gwagensteve]

And to continue "way out of left field" theres lots of really powerful
outboard motors out there, water cooled injected two strokes, so
running them horiz instead of vertically shouldn't be impossible.

They are also compact. And before anyone asks I cant tell you what
gearbox they would mate to -but IMO more practical than a bike engine.[/u]

There was a thread on Pirate about a buggy build using a 280hp outboard. There were some heavy hitters (like JR) involved in the build. the power to weight and overall height they were claiming for the motor was unreal, I think the motor weighed 90 pounds or something impossible.

I think retail on the motor was USD$19000 through

Steve.