VIC Winch 2007

[MUD EMPIRE]

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[RaceGQ]

What is the run down on Vehicle spec, there seems to be a lot of different info around the traps and on the forums.

For example, I have heard that you can not run with twin winch motors.

I thought Vic Winch is a entry level comp to allow drivers to get experience to allow them to go onto comps like Atteco.

[GM]

Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: outer east Melb.
Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:06 pm

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Beware the EVIL GQ



OK we will be careful
We are knocking a bit of rust off the gq and geting quotes on both an oil change and a new oil filter and if the prices are within budgit look out because we are there, unless fuel hits $1.39.99 a litre then we cannot afford to get to Yea. See you soon?

[chompyd]

Hi there Free tucker , I have heard similar things and am trying to find out more as well, I rang Wato yesty and asked him what kind of cars are allowed to run, and I was told to call Al Mac for details as he is doing the scrutineering. I heard that you have to be careful with what winch mods you have and also apparently challenge class cars are not allowed to run ..... even though on the entry form it has a challenge class box to tick!!! If anyone knows any more please put it up on the forum.

[RaceGQ]

If the rumour about twin winch motors not being acceptable is true, it is a shame that this was not clear on the order form which had boxes for both Challenge and Trophy Class.

This event is important not only for first timer but also as a platform for drivers that are improving skills and building up the truck for the main competitions.

I have done one Vic Winch before and really enjoyed the event, learnt heaps.

I recently competed in Ateco round 2 and was ill prepared, (me and the truck). The Vic winch is the only real opportunity to get the preparation needed to play in the main comps.

The fact that two classes are in the CCDA specs, I dont understand why we don't just run them rather than re-invent the wheel. This way we cater for newbees as well as the wannabees.

[MYTTUF]

The fact that two classes are in the CCDA specs, I dont understand why we don't just run them rather than re-invent the wheel. This way we cater for newbees as well as the wannabees.

That would be to farking simple
I can't remember an event without confusion

[bigears]

What is the run down on Vehicle spec, there seems to be a lot of different info around the traps and on the forums.

For example, I have heard that you can not run with twin winch motors.

I thought Vic Winch is a entry level comp to allow drivers to get experience to allow them to go onto comps like Atteco.

As far as i know after speaking to Mike Smith some months ago winch mods are allowed (BOGGA had twin motors last year).So as far as i'm concerned the cheques been banked so where there. cheers BIGEARS DAD

[chompyd]

From my understandings Bigears.... Its up to the event organiser to set the rules he wants people to abide by , this year being Dandy Rangers and they only want trophy style trucks! So as much as a few of us have winch mods .... we can only choose one to use on the weekend, The next big problem is how are the marshalls going to know what one your using? and if your running 12 volt or 24 and if you have your twin motor sitting on the winch if one is running or both ? and if you have free airspool is it a car that was allowed to use it ? Marshalls will have to be really clued up and know the specs of the winch on the car and what each car is using in the event! And as for speaking to Mike Smith a few months ago he is the CCDA that only sanctions the event doesnt make the decisions for the event. I spoke to Mike yesty and he clearly told me that we can only use one (1) winch mod. We need one set of rules that dont get changed five times before an event!!!! There is a meeting tonight and I'm pretty sure this will be a HOT topic so there should be more up here by then.



Just a Question..... I run a challenge class Truck and am wanting to enter the Vic Winch. Who else has modded their truck to be Challenge class that have entered this Comp?

[RaceGQ]

An important point needs to be considered in this debate.

If the purpose of Vic Winch (Winch comp) is to attract and keep people in the sport to enter and successfully compete in the main comps, it needs to cater for first timers and 2nd, 3rd and 4th timers building up their trucks to be competitive.

It is too big a jump to go from trophy class in an event run once a year to competing in full on comps.

We need two classes and ideally an event run more than once a year.

Why not run the vic winch pre or post main comps, on the tracks (or parts of them) already set up, it would save work and give the up "newbees" and "up & coming" competitors a chance to build up skills 2 or 3 times a year.

Restricting mods within challenge class trucks is not the answer , these guys need supporting as well as the newbees.

[bigears]

An important point needs to be considered in this debate.

If the purpose of Vic Winch (Winch comp) is to attract and keep people in the sport to enter and successfully compete in the main comps, it needs to cater for first timers and 2nd, 3rd and 4th timers building up their trucks to be competitive.

It is too big a jump to go from trophy class in an event run once a year to competing in full on comps.

We need two classes and ideally an event run more than once a year.

Why not run the vic winch pre or post main comps, on the tracks (or parts of them) already set up, it would save work and give the up "newbees" and "up & coming" competitors a chance to build up skills 2 or 3 times a year.

Restricting mods within challenge class trucks is not the answer , these guys need supporting as well as the newbees.

No more needs to be said totaly agree.

[MYTTUF]

This years VWC will have 2 classes being trophy & challenge. They will both compete along side each other and the event will have a winner from each class. Thats good for you boys with the challenge class trucks with all your winch mods. No need to de-modify your winch. ALL vehicles will now have to fit into either class, and yes you can have a challenge class car with a 4 point roll cage as roll bars are event specific. On this sideof it you will all need a log book and for those that haven't yet got one yet will need to organise with a scruitineer from the CCDA web site to sign it off. Oh and don't leave it till the last minute to do so.
Jonesy

[BJ]

Thanks for the info Jonesy. One question, what winch mods are trophy class trucks able to have?? 6hp motors, 24v, twin winch motors???
All, or some of the above??
Cheers BJ

[MYTTUF]

I think it says that none are allowed in trophy class but I'll be getting this clarified when Al Mac returns from Tamworth next week.
Jonesy

[RaceGQ]

This years VWC will have 2 classes being trophy & challenge. They will both compete along side each other and the event will have a winner from each class. Thats good for you boys with the challenge class trucks with all your winch mods. No need to de-modify your winch. ALL vehicles will now have to fit into either class, and yes you can have a challenge class car with a 4 point roll cage as roll bars are event specific. On this sideof it you will all need a log book and for those that haven't yet got one yet will need to organise with a scruitineer from the CCDA web site to sign it off. Oh and don't leave it till the last minute to do so.
Jonesy

Thanks Jonesy, your my new hero

[chompyd]

I for one am going to be putting the CCDA general meetings in my calander as another night to be somewhere that helps my sport grow. Jonesy I will be at the next meeting which i think is next week ? It's true what Freetucker is saying , its good to voice our opinions but we need to do it in the right way and its not REALLY on this forum its at the meetings that counts!!! We need to also understand that the CCDA is the reason we are allowed to race! So lets help them help us!!

Just glad to be running twin motors and 24v WOO HOO twice the motor to blow up now!! how much is that $1100 a hit ?

[bigears]

good news Jonesy lets go racing

[MYTTUF]

I think it says that none are allowed in trophy class but I'll be getting this clarified when Al Mac returns from Tamworth next week.
Jonesy

Here is the winch spec. for Trophy class.

4.4.17 Winches
All vehicles must be fitted with one (and only one) operational powered winch when competing in an event where winching is required.

Electric winches may have some additional bracing, improved bearings, improved lubrication and an alternative DC motor with upgraded controls, but must remain in its original configuration.

PTO and Hydraulic winches they must be as designed by the supplier.



No twin motors or air free spool. Spoze 6HP is allowed. 24 Volt comes under electrical
Jonesy

[bagsy]

[quote="chompyd"]I for one am going to be putting the CCDA general meetings in my calander as another night to be somewhere that helps my sport grow. Jonesy I will be at the next meeting which i think is next week ? It's true what Freetucker is saying , its good to voice our opinions but we need to do it in the right way and its not REALLY on this forum its at the meetings that counts!!! We need to also understand that the CCDA is the reason we are allowed to race! So lets help them help us!!

Well said matty , I have only attended 3 meetings myself but found them very informative . If people want change , get to the meeting and voice you issues there ...........

[big bundy]

apparently Cassar rolled on stage one today, thats a msg i received from a mate who is there for marshalling day!

[matt.mcinnes]

I think it says that none are allowed in trophy class but I'll be getting this clarified when Al Mac returns from Tamworth next week.
Jonesy

Here is the winch spec. for Trophy class.

4.4.17 Winches
All vehicles must be fitted with one (and only one) operational powered winch when competing in an event where winching is required.

Electric winches may have some additional bracing, improved bearings, improved lubrication and an alternative DC motor with upgraded controls, but must remain in its original configuration.

PTO and Hydraulic winches they must be as designed by the supplier.



No twin motors or air free spool. Spoze 6HP is allowed. 24 Volt comes under electrical
Jonesy

These rules for classes need to be looked at carefully my little old 40 still with it's original 2F engine on leaf springs falls in to Challenge class, but by no means are we in my opinion a challenge class vehicle.

No easy solution though, I would look at the rules been more about performance up grades rather than physical up grades.

[matt.mcinnes]

apparently Cassar rolled on stage one today, thats a msg i received from a mate who is there for marshalling day!

I can imagine a lot of off camber stuff up there at Vic Winch this year not too many trees to hit though

[Ruffy]

apparently Cassar rolled on stage one today, thats a msg i received from a mate who is there for marshalling day!

I can imagine a lot of off camber stuff up there at Vic Winch this year not too many trees to hit though

If the first three stages are the same as the engel (which i heard they were???) then i don't know how.
We won that stage at the engel

[krimnl]

apparently Cassar rolled on stage one today, thats a msg i received from a mate who is there for marshalling day!

I can imagine a lot of off camber stuff up there at Vic Winch this year not too many trees to hit though

If the first three stages are the same as the engel (which i heard they were???) then i don't know how.
We won that stage at the engel

friday night stages will be basically the same as engel . couple of minor changes. 1 fast off camber corner. The stage that Andrew flipped onto his lid was the night stage up the gully. It hasnt been changed from the Engel.

[roofar]

hey wato they have cashed my check but l have not receved an email to conferme what do i do will sombody contact me and let me know whats going on or should i try to contacted you.
gav

[krimnl]

hey wato they have cashed my check but l have not receved an email to conferme what do i do will sombody contact me and let me know whats going on or should i try to contacted you.
gav

Gav, take a hint !! they dont want your navi there!!!!
I have seen Guido compete and it can get very ugly

[beretta]

I have seen Guido compete and it can get very ugly

He's the only Triple X rated navi I've ever seen, for all the wrong reasons!

[matt.mcinnes]

Oh and yes I could not resist putting an entry in, 4th year in a row, Some one has to make sure Chompyd finished behind a 40

[teemothy]

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[teemothy]

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[bigears]

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I Know I'm scared

you should be i've got my aldi winch with rope ready