I have had thoughts of a new rock crawling event that will be a one off each year (not part of a series) and will be more for fun and a social weekend away for those in that style of the 4wd comp scene.
This has become a fun Christmas event , Free for compeditors , please look at the 3rd post on page 2 for more details.
Lets have some fun.
Peter
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Last edited by cityview on Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:30 pm, edited 2 times in total.
i don't like the time idea, it sounds like that rock racing in the USA
and i would hope it some where rather than your rock at the comp area
Put some hard and fast rules down on paper, so I can see them prior to committing. Until al of that is sorted out it just all talk
and i would hope it some where rather than your rock at the comp area
Put some hard and fast rules down on paper, so I can see them prior to committing. Until al of that is sorted out it just all talk
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As was said above the rules are simple at this stage , for fun. Classes are a) Buggies and b) Bodied vehicles like as in XRCC or as 1madengineer wrote on page 4 of the XRCC thread ie OEM chassis , susp points unchanged between c/line of diffs , not Tuff trucks maybe 35 - 40 in tyres and alike , but remember this one will be a one off to see how it is adopted and have fun so not so serious. Its match racing at its best , Two similar cars pitted against each other. It would not eventuate that say a buggy would compete against Dave's truck , but like vehicles and depending on who is interested then we may split the classes into Hybrid and Basic Buggies and the trucks into Modified and Highly Modded (ie for trucks with rear steer and hydrolics and alike. But dont loose sight that this is intended to be held once or maybe Twice a year not as a series , but rather as a fun organised play weekend , maybe one before Christmas as an end of year gathering and another as a test session season opener. All just Ideas.
Scoring will possibly be a simple points system , 1 point for every 10 sec stationary and say 1 point for Reversing , similar for out of bounds or hitting a cone.
The Area to be used for this is not at the comp arena , its on the southern side of the park , and as yet has not been used other than a filming session with BeeBee and 4wd TV , Mick G has been shown it and there are 3 main rock outcrops , a boulder run and a solid rock gully. The stages would consist of cones being placed and you would climb and decend the outcrops , thru the gully and over the boulder course.
The timing thing was not the main way of scoring , definately not rock racing , but to explain my idea like this , if 5 vehicles competed then you add all 5 times and devide by 5 to get an average time. Each teams time is compared and the slower cars are given a point for say every 10 , 20 or maybe even every 30 seconds over the target average , and the faster teams are given 2 points for every 10 , 20 or 30 seconds under the average time. This stops the need for speed and being a fastest wins scenario but allows for a system where if two vehicles clean the course then the points for each will be zero and the only way that they will tie is if they both get within 10 , 20 or 30 seconds of eachother as well. I hope that that explains things.
Please if anyone is interested , feel free to come and have a look at the area I am proposing one Sat or Sun arvo , or I will try to post some pics , its not extreme smash , bash and crash stuff , unless you drive very badly , remember the idea is for a fun organised get together and play closer to home than usual.
Peter
Scoring will possibly be a simple points system , 1 point for every 10 sec stationary and say 1 point for Reversing , similar for out of bounds or hitting a cone.
The Area to be used for this is not at the comp arena , its on the southern side of the park , and as yet has not been used other than a filming session with BeeBee and 4wd TV , Mick G has been shown it and there are 3 main rock outcrops , a boulder run and a solid rock gully. The stages would consist of cones being placed and you would climb and decend the outcrops , thru the gully and over the boulder course.
The timing thing was not the main way of scoring , definately not rock racing , but to explain my idea like this , if 5 vehicles competed then you add all 5 times and devide by 5 to get an average time. Each teams time is compared and the slower cars are given a point for say every 10 , 20 or maybe even every 30 seconds over the target average , and the faster teams are given 2 points for every 10 , 20 or 30 seconds under the average time. This stops the need for speed and being a fastest wins scenario but allows for a system where if two vehicles clean the course then the points for each will be zero and the only way that they will tie is if they both get within 10 , 20 or 30 seconds of eachother as well. I hope that that explains things.
Please if anyone is interested , feel free to come and have a look at the area I am proposing one Sat or Sun arvo , or I will try to post some pics , its not extreme smash , bash and crash stuff , unless you drive very badly , remember the idea is for a fun organised get together and play closer to home than usual.
Peter
I think you are just trying to wind me up , and it wont work this time. Nor will twisting my words. I was adopting the rules set down by 1madengineer , who I believe is affiliated with Dave. The mog could enter and if he did then we would split the Bodied vehicle class to suit. I am only following the rules that compeditors from the other thread set down , not my own. Read the other thread then make up your mind before making a rash statement as you have. I dont care either way. Read what I have written again and you will see that this is meant to be a fun weekend of playing and driving , not a politically filled bullshit fight between those who can and those who cant about making it so its not as hard on the teams with lesser budgets. SERIOUSLY , have a read again and you may just see that I have tried to put together something that you can all compete at , at a level that is the same as your peers , that is the basis of match racing. Sometimes I dont know why I bother offering.
because it is your business and it is an opportunity to make money obviouslycityview wrote: Sometimes I dont know why I bother offering.
seriously you really need to look closer at the scoring system than what you have come up with so far...make it simple..set out a course, penalties for hitting cones and reversing...that would keep it nice and simple..forget 10 second stationery and all that other crap with the timing...if you both drive it clean with no penalties then obviously the quickest time through deserves to be the winner
would i enter....yes
date...dec 15-16
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the original and the best
the original and the best
Cool , we have kicked the ball , thanks Dave.
Quote:
"because it is your business and it is an opportunity to make money obviously"
My Idea for the first of these weekends was , $15 per person/compeditor/driver/nav. for the weekend. (not spectators) I will be putting up my place for the event and will have to clear lantana , logs and other stuff to make the tracks so I think I deserve to charge a small fee for the weekend. Even Dave Metcalfe and others organisers try to make money out of events.
If you want to pay a compatition entry fee of say $100 or so of which 100% goes into a prize pool for winner takes all or split into 1st 2nd and 3rd in each class , but we have to have enough numbers for the later. Or not , and just do it for the respect and fun of winning. Its up to you.
There is not enough time to advertise this as an event , other than word of mouth so I dont believe that there is a need to get sponsors etc , so it should be a quiet affair , like just an organised day run but for two days. If anyone comes to spectate then thats my bonus , but I will not be clearing viewing areas etc , not enough time. I never saw this as a money spinner , If I cover costs and you guys have fun then the main aim will have been achieved.
Due to insurance I cant do any timed events. As you state , if two vehicles tie then fastest time wins , that wont work. We will have to have a shoot out or bonus stage to decide tie breakers. That was the only reason for the target time/points system. It cant be a speed event. Hey Im open to suggestions , the more simple the better.
The 10 sec rule was to stop people taking too much time to fix things , breakage , rock stacking etc and keep things rolling , maybe DNF if stationary for more than a minute. I dunnow , make a suggestion.
The yellow MQ would be in class T1 , Mick in the Mog and the Purple ToJo would be in class T2 if they wished to enter.
Stock design (old school) Buggies , based on a chassis without hydrolics , rear steer etc would be class B1 and Hybrid tube buggies would be class B2. Or we can just run together , Buggies in one class and trucks in the other.
So whos next , Any one else ???
Quote:
"because it is your business and it is an opportunity to make money obviously"
My Idea for the first of these weekends was , $15 per person/compeditor/driver/nav. for the weekend. (not spectators) I will be putting up my place for the event and will have to clear lantana , logs and other stuff to make the tracks so I think I deserve to charge a small fee for the weekend. Even Dave Metcalfe and others organisers try to make money out of events.
If you want to pay a compatition entry fee of say $100 or so of which 100% goes into a prize pool for winner takes all or split into 1st 2nd and 3rd in each class , but we have to have enough numbers for the later. Or not , and just do it for the respect and fun of winning. Its up to you.
There is not enough time to advertise this as an event , other than word of mouth so I dont believe that there is a need to get sponsors etc , so it should be a quiet affair , like just an organised day run but for two days. If anyone comes to spectate then thats my bonus , but I will not be clearing viewing areas etc , not enough time. I never saw this as a money spinner , If I cover costs and you guys have fun then the main aim will have been achieved.
Due to insurance I cant do any timed events. As you state , if two vehicles tie then fastest time wins , that wont work. We will have to have a shoot out or bonus stage to decide tie breakers. That was the only reason for the target time/points system. It cant be a speed event. Hey Im open to suggestions , the more simple the better.
The 10 sec rule was to stop people taking too much time to fix things , breakage , rock stacking etc and keep things rolling , maybe DNF if stationary for more than a minute. I dunnow , make a suggestion.
The yellow MQ would be in class T1 , Mick in the Mog and the Purple ToJo would be in class T2 if they wished to enter.
Stock design (old school) Buggies , based on a chassis without hydrolics , rear steer etc would be class B1 and Hybrid tube buggies would be class B2. Or we can just run together , Buggies in one class and trucks in the other.
So whos next , Any one else ???
Hey Boof head
These are Gregs purposed rules
The main idea is to get a comp running that is for 'tuff' rigs not buggies or tuff-trucks. Hopefully a setout that allows maximum driving and the chance to pick up some tips and tricks from others with similar rigs and setups. We want to aim at competitive technical driving instead of the stupidly extreme (thats for when you enter WEROCK!!) If you want mindless crash and bash then go enter superior allterrain.
Some initial specs:
35"min - 40"max tyres
F&R lockers
Oem chassis from centerline of Front diff to Centerline of Rear diff - dimensionally unchanged.
Full bonnet, firewall and floorpan (ute sizing as minimum) minor alterations accecptable. guards preferred.minimum of half doors and windor nets.
Full rollcage as per most comps - and all the usual safety stuff!!
Winch and sufficient recovery equipment - self recovery!!!
No portal or drop-reduction differentials.
No rear steer.
No rego required.
I am not trying to twist your words nor do i feel i have made a rash statement
These are the rule I thought you intended to follow!
When I read them it says 35"-40" tyres
What size tyres does the Mog run?
No portal or drop-reduction differentials
What is a unimog axel?
The only reference I can see is rear and hydraulic steer
If you got of you backside put some hard and fast rules down on paper, instead of in your head it, may make thing easier for all concerned
FYI
Your events seem to be the only events I have ever attended where you can’t get a hard copy of the rules.
These are Gregs purposed rules
The main idea is to get a comp running that is for 'tuff' rigs not buggies or tuff-trucks. Hopefully a setout that allows maximum driving and the chance to pick up some tips and tricks from others with similar rigs and setups. We want to aim at competitive technical driving instead of the stupidly extreme (thats for when you enter WEROCK!!) If you want mindless crash and bash then go enter superior allterrain.
Some initial specs:
35"min - 40"max tyres
F&R lockers
Oem chassis from centerline of Front diff to Centerline of Rear diff - dimensionally unchanged.
Full bonnet, firewall and floorpan (ute sizing as minimum) minor alterations accecptable. guards preferred.minimum of half doors and windor nets.
Full rollcage as per most comps - and all the usual safety stuff!!
Winch and sufficient recovery equipment - self recovery!!!
No portal or drop-reduction differentials.
No rear steer.
No rego required.
I am not trying to twist your words nor do i feel i have made a rash statement
These are the rule I thought you intended to follow!
When I read them it says 35"-40" tyres
What size tyres does the Mog run?
No portal or drop-reduction differentials
What is a unimog axel?
The only reference I can see is rear and hydraulic steer
If you got of you backside put some hard and fast rules down on paper, instead of in your head it, may make thing easier for all concerned
FYI
Your events seem to be the only events I have ever attended where you can’t get a hard copy of the rules.
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FYI..cityview wrote:
The 10 sec rule was to stop people taking too much time to fix things , breakage , rock stacking etc and keep things rolling , maybe DNF if stationary for more than a minute. I dunnow , make a suggestion.
WE Rock previously had the 10 sec rule and it was removed for safety reasons.
Rockstacking while the buggy or any 4x4 is inching every 10 secs to avoid penalties is downright dangerous to the navigator if the vehicle is in a compromising position.
Just put a time limit to finish a course and let them go from A to B in the allocated time - just my opinion.
Good luck
T
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Actually it was 3 SecondsDaisy wrote:FYI..cityview wrote:
The 10 sec rule was to stop people taking too much time to fix things , breakage , rock stacking etc and keep things rolling , maybe DNF if stationary for more than a minute. I dunnow , make a suggestion.
WE Rock previously had the 10 sec rule and it was removed for safety reasons.
Rockstacking while the buggy or any 4x4 is inching every 10 secs to avoid penalties is downright dangerous to the navigator if the vehicle is in a compromising position.
Just put a time limit to finish a course and let them go from A to B in the allocated time - just my opinion.
Good luck
T
If you want to keep it fun for all, i dont think you need an event entry fee or prize money,cityview wrote: If you want to pay a compatition entry fee of say $100 or so of which 100% goes into a prize pool for winner takes all or split into 1st 2nd and 3rd in each class , but we have to have enough numbers for the later. Or not , and just do it for the respect and fun of winning. Its up to you
I think the way to go is to just do it for the respect and fun of winning.
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Im so over all this. I didnt want to create a monster , but like usual that is what it has become.
Thanks Daisy for your advice , the time limit thing is the best way to go for dnf etc and a shoot out or bonus stage for tie breaks would do the trick.
Stika , the comment that got me was the "No tuff trucks , thats a bold statement." leading to "thats me out and the Mog too". Gregs rules also state that its not for 'tuff trucks' just average highly modded rigs. I added in my previous comment to yours that if there are some like Mick that want to play , then we can split the class into T1 (modded) and T2 ('Tuff Trucks'). I thought that read pretty clearly. I just saw red when you insinuated that I was excluding anyone because of the type of vehicle they run.
I just wanted to create a fun weekend of driving , with minimal effort and outlay. The reason that I havent provided printed rules is because no-one has asked me for any. The other factor is that if an event has to be organised to that degree , ie sup regs for entry , printed rule book , printed entry form and alike then the cost of producing that event goes up and so does the entry fees to you the compeditor. I post the rules for all to see here and on other forums , short sweet and simple. I dont want to end up , no correction , wont end up with an event like Superior , where it is now so expensive to enter that some of my friends who compete wont be after the next round is finished. The trials are entry level , Basic classes of vehicle , basic layout (bit of everything) , basic entry fee and basic rules. This fun weekend of rockcrawling was supposed to be the same , simple and easy.
Well it doesnt matter now anyway , as it seems that I may have to close the Park , maybe indeffinately. The storm tonight has dumped a massive ammount of water and approx 10m of it went thru the main camp grounds , down the creak and also thru the comp area. I havent assesed the roads yet but if they are in an unsafe condition , I will have to close and I dont have the money to get in Machinery to fix them. No roads = No customers = No money = No City-View. Sorry.
I will keep you all informed.
Thanks Daisy for your advice , the time limit thing is the best way to go for dnf etc and a shoot out or bonus stage for tie breaks would do the trick.
Stika , the comment that got me was the "No tuff trucks , thats a bold statement." leading to "thats me out and the Mog too". Gregs rules also state that its not for 'tuff trucks' just average highly modded rigs. I added in my previous comment to yours that if there are some like Mick that want to play , then we can split the class into T1 (modded) and T2 ('Tuff Trucks'). I thought that read pretty clearly. I just saw red when you insinuated that I was excluding anyone because of the type of vehicle they run.
I just wanted to create a fun weekend of driving , with minimal effort and outlay. The reason that I havent provided printed rules is because no-one has asked me for any. The other factor is that if an event has to be organised to that degree , ie sup regs for entry , printed rule book , printed entry form and alike then the cost of producing that event goes up and so does the entry fees to you the compeditor. I post the rules for all to see here and on other forums , short sweet and simple. I dont want to end up , no correction , wont end up with an event like Superior , where it is now so expensive to enter that some of my friends who compete wont be after the next round is finished. The trials are entry level , Basic classes of vehicle , basic layout (bit of everything) , basic entry fee and basic rules. This fun weekend of rockcrawling was supposed to be the same , simple and easy.
Well it doesnt matter now anyway , as it seems that I may have to close the Park , maybe indeffinately. The storm tonight has dumped a massive ammount of water and approx 10m of it went thru the main camp grounds , down the creak and also thru the comp area. I havent assesed the roads yet but if they are in an unsafe condition , I will have to close and I dont have the money to get in Machinery to fix them. No roads = No customers = No money = No City-View. Sorry.
I will keep you all informed.
cityview wrote:Im so over all this. I didnt want to create a monster , but like usual that is what it has become.
Thanks Daisy for your advice , the time limit thing is the best way to go for dnf etc and a shoot out or bonus stage for tie breaks would do the trick.
Stika , the comment that got me was the "No tuff trucks , thats a bold statement." leading to "thats me out and the Mog too". Gregs rules also state that its not for 'tuff trucks' just average highly modded rigs. I added in my previous comment to yours that if there are some like Mick that want to play , then we can split the class into T1 (modded) and T2 ('Tuff Trucks'). I thought that read pretty clearly. I just saw red when you insinuated that I was excluding anyone because of the type of vehicle they run.
I just wanted to create a fun weekend of driving , with minimal effort and outlay. The reason that I havent provided printed rules is because no-one has asked me for any. The other factor is that if an event has to be organised to that degree , ie sup regs for entry , printed rule book , printed entry form and alike then the cost of producing that event goes up and so does the entry fees to you the compeditor. I post the rules for all to see here and on other forums , short sweet and simple. I dont want to end up , no correction , wont end up with an event like Superior , where it is now so expensive to enter that some of my friends who compete wont be after the next round is finished. The trials are entry level , Basic classes of vehicle , basic layout (bit of everything) , basic entry fee and basic rules. This fun weekend of rockcrawling was supposed to be the same , simple and easy.
Well it doesnt matter now anyway , as it seems that I may have to close the Park , maybe indeffinately. The storm tonight has dumped a massive ammount of water and approx 10m of it went thru the main camp grounds , down the creak and also thru the comp area. I havent assesed the roads yet but if they are in an unsafe condition , I will have to close and I dont have the money to get in Machinery to fix them. No roads = No customers = No money = No City-View. Sorry.
I will keep you all informed.
mate if i can get the bobcat there ill help fix the roads..
no one needs to have a 4wd park closed...
let me know if you want me to suss out how to get it there. its small but it will do the job.
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Ok , spent all day yesterday walking around the park. I cant believe the force with which the flood has cleared everything. I will give you some examples. The road in (near the site office) 8pm Sun was 5 foot under water. The debris in the creek is awesome. There is a 40m long pine tree from up the valley now across the creak where the road goes up to camp 2. The toilet from camp 1 is stuck in trees 200m from where it was (2m above the ground). My yellow trailer was full of tyres next to the tyre pit in the comp area , it is now in the lowest dam upside down and half buried. The steel entry gate and all the fence including the right hand 2 foot round post was washed 150m away and wrapped around a tree , we have since retrieved it and remounted it , but it will have to be replaced cause its way too twisted. Water was at least 2 m deep over the top of the causeway on the road out and that is one of the wider parts of the waterway. The creek has been stripped bare and is now 1-2m deeper in places. There was 1m of water over the 'arena' and 'round yard' down at the residence and the sheds including the owners F Truck and horse float were all affected. One of my Telegraph poles that were for the shed is 300m down the creek in a grove of trees and most of the rest are in the creek due to the bank giving way. There are numerous branches and trees down and about 4 or 5 of the toilets that were put up near the container were blown away. It seems that the damage from the flooding is more major than the wind , but I am yet to inspect the main tracks. Reports from Neighbours was that just south of us they got 60mm Sun nite (24 hours to 9am Mon) and 45mm to the north of us. We got 105mm , 90 of which hit before 8pm Sun evening (in approx an hour) causing the flash flooding. Hmmm
Closures so far. No camping in camp 1 atm. Camp 2 (closed) , TRACKS CLOSED Jeepers Jump-up 5 and Jeepers Decent 4 , the new creek tracks , Rellow's Run , Keiths Creek 27 (parts 1 & 2). Thats all I have closed so far , tomorrow I am doing tracks 2 , 3 and 28 (the gorge loop) I will asses the safety of the main roads , let you all know and take it from there.
Some of you wanted extreme tracks , well I think you got your wishes.
I will be starting a new thread and posting pics as they become available.
Peter
Closures so far. No camping in camp 1 atm. Camp 2 (closed) , TRACKS CLOSED Jeepers Jump-up 5 and Jeepers Decent 4 , the new creek tracks , Rellow's Run , Keiths Creek 27 (parts 1 & 2). Thats all I have closed so far , tomorrow I am doing tracks 2 , 3 and 28 (the gorge loop) I will asses the safety of the main roads , let you all know and take it from there.
Some of you wanted extreme tracks , well I think you got your wishes.
I will be starting a new thread and posting pics as they become available.
Peter
peter .
like i said you want help on anything (even though ive never been there) let me know.
i have bobcat, chainsaw and plenty of experience in basically anything...
all you have to do is let me or me and anyone i can muster up to get in the park without paying to work all weekend... will not do any 4wding...
mate im willing to lend a FREE hand..
actually ill sms you right now.. sorry for the lat sms bud.
cheers mark.
like i said you want help on anything (even though ive never been there) let me know.
i have bobcat, chainsaw and plenty of experience in basically anything...
all you have to do is let me or me and anyone i can muster up to get in the park without paying to work all weekend... will not do any 4wding...
mate im willing to lend a FREE hand..
actually ill sms you right now.. sorry for the lat sms bud.
cheers mark.
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im sure that there may b a few more of us out there that r willing to lend a hand to see your bussiness stay open as its close to the g/c and bris and i also like wheeling out there. just say when and a time and well see what can b done to help. DIZZY
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Thanks Mark , the extra hand will help , the bobcat will help even more and I appreciate the offer , but the real concern is for the safety of the roads , even the extreme ones. I will be checking all of them before the end of the week then I will know if I need a bigger machine sooner rather than later. As the terrain is steep and the extreme tracks are either rock or clay , when they get ruts or holes that are too big then it becomes dangerous. If you rolled you wouldnt stop til you got to the bottom. Its a delicate ballance , extreme vs dangerous. The bobcat could tidy up the trees and branches left by the flood and all around the place quicker than I can , but they wont stop me opening the park this weekend. I will have to asses the roads first , but please feel free to be my guest and lend a hand , I dont have much $$ to spread around , but feel free to come for the weekend and spend a day poking around by yourselves in leu of helping me for the rest of the time. I will keep you up to date as I see more of the damage in the park. Maybe it will be all ok and I will have fussed over nothing , but from what I have seen at ground level along the creek Im not holding my breath. Mind you some of the tracks will have become a lot more fun. I just have to check the main loops 2 , 3 , and 28 and some of the more extreme tracks that are on the sides of the hills.
I will post some pics as soon as I can.
Peter
I will post some pics as soon as I can.
Peter
Not good to here Pete. If you need a hand to get things cleaned up I might be able to spare a Sunday (work permitting).
If all goes well my date preference would be 15-16 Dec as I am going to Beebee's event at Rover Park on the 24-25 Nov.
brooksy
If all goes well my date preference would be 15-16 Dec as I am going to Beebee's event at Rover Park on the 24-25 Nov.
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ok pete.
mate me , my old man, marty are 100% there. a few others are a maybe at this stage. ive asked them if they come to work all weekend and not stuff around (till night when we will have a coldy to get rid of the days heat) to get things happening.
we will bring 2 chainsaws, sledge hammers, shovels (for smaller jobs) jimmy bars (big), 3 axes and misc cleaning tools... if we get a chance i would like to suss out where the bobcat can get too and where it will be affective for use to finish the clean up, then if i can get it there ill bring it asap (our car trailer is only suitable for 1200kg apparently?)im happy to help out weekends for sure until it is done also weekdays if i can work around it at no cost to you or nothing free/ expected (but entry whilst im helping to fix everything there that needs fixing) bud at all as mentioned
i think we will be there friday late arvo but could be sat morn early, will let you know before hand as discussed..
cheers for the opportunity to help out bud
mate me , my old man, marty are 100% there. a few others are a maybe at this stage. ive asked them if they come to work all weekend and not stuff around (till night when we will have a coldy to get rid of the days heat) to get things happening.
we will bring 2 chainsaws, sledge hammers, shovels (for smaller jobs) jimmy bars (big), 3 axes and misc cleaning tools... if we get a chance i would like to suss out where the bobcat can get too and where it will be affective for use to finish the clean up, then if i can get it there ill bring it asap (our car trailer is only suitable for 1200kg apparently?)im happy to help out weekends for sure until it is done also weekdays if i can work around it at no cost to you or nothing free/ expected (but entry whilst im helping to fix everything there that needs fixing) bud at all as mentioned
i think we will be there friday late arvo but could be sat morn early, will let you know before hand as discussed..
cheers for the opportunity to help out bud
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Ok , I will make a formal request , for help.
If anyone out there has a med dozer (D5-D8), or an excavator , front end loader , back-hoe or drott and is an experienced owner/operator (ie has operators p/l ins.) I need your help.
The park was going to hire a dozer in Jan next year to tidy the main touring loop around the lookouts and complete the main loop between camps 1 and 6 as well as between camps 17 and 20. There are a couple of acess tracks to the creek that I wanted to put in too. If the right machine is available D6/D7 then if we could do that at the same time and record the hours , the Park will honour the account but it will have to be spread over a few months as nessecary to clear the account.
If you own or have acess to such a machine and are able to help , please contact me on the park mobile no. and I will make a time to show you what is needed. Hopefully I wont find any more surprises in the next few days as I drive the rest of the tracks and asses the damage. 90mm in an hour and 105mm in total overnite is a lot of rain. At least the dams are full.
Thanks in advance
Peter
If anyone out there has a med dozer (D5-D8), or an excavator , front end loader , back-hoe or drott and is an experienced owner/operator (ie has operators p/l ins.) I need your help.
The park was going to hire a dozer in Jan next year to tidy the main touring loop around the lookouts and complete the main loop between camps 1 and 6 as well as between camps 17 and 20. There are a couple of acess tracks to the creek that I wanted to put in too. If the right machine is available D6/D7 then if we could do that at the same time and record the hours , the Park will honour the account but it will have to be spread over a few months as nessecary to clear the account.
If you own or have acess to such a machine and are able to help , please contact me on the park mobile no. and I will make a time to show you what is needed. Hopefully I wont find any more surprises in the next few days as I drive the rest of the tracks and asses the damage. 90mm in an hour and 105mm in total overnite is a lot of rain. At least the dams are full.
Thanks in advance
Peter
As for a Rock crawling event , the flood has been a god send in disguise. Although Rellow's Run and Keiths Creek , track 27 will need to be cleared and in places rebuilt , the creek is now acessable for km's up the valley. If we get a machine or two to do the bulk of the clean-up I will have the tracks put in to acess the creek and complete the loops. It is Hard to extreme rock crawling at its best , solid rock slabs , boulders and waterfalls to drive. Remember the first crews to drive Carnage Canyon or the orchid track or the gully below and above the 'Bumcrack' at Ormeau yeah well like that and now the lantana and other vegetation has been removed its open to be driven. This will be fun. Dec 15-16 will be the weekend and fun will be had by all who attend. I will get over this hurdle first then Post a new thread.
Til then cheers all and happy wheelin.
Peter
PS , thanks to all those who have offered their help and best wishes , its much appreciated. The majority of the problem will be making the tracks safe that are washed out , but I will not be touching any that are now more extreme but safe enough to drive. I appreciate all offers of help from many of you , but seriously , clearing branches and trees from the creek and surrounds is not a high priority , once the tracks are stablised by a machine and made safe the rest will fall into place. Until then some of the tracks will have to remain closed until that happens.
Til then cheers all and happy wheelin.
Peter
PS , thanks to all those who have offered their help and best wishes , its much appreciated. The majority of the problem will be making the tracks safe that are washed out , but I will not be touching any that are now more extreme but safe enough to drive. I appreciate all offers of help from many of you , but seriously , clearing branches and trees from the creek and surrounds is not a high priority , once the tracks are stablised by a machine and made safe the rest will fall into place. Until then some of the tracks will have to remain closed until that happens.
Hey all , Just got home. Broke a Panhard rod and fell off the edge of track 3 "the goat track" trying to get round a fallen boulder.
Unfortunately , tracks 3 and 28 will be closed until they are cleared of fallen trees and rocks. There are no major washouts , but there are a few slips where rocks and dirt from the bank now cover the road. There are trees over most of track 3 although only 3 stopped me in the GQ. I broke the rear Panhard as I went over a stump that rolled up behind the diff and the rest is well , history. The lightening has smashed s few big trees in and around camp 20 , its really sad to see such big trees shattered into a million pieces.
I will be looking at track 2 and all the spur tracks on the south side of the park tomorrow. I hope its not the same as the north side.
Mud4b and a few mates have offered to help out with clearing , so has Linc and I think a mate on Sat. If anyone else wants to join the cleanup crew I would be very thankful. It wont cost you anything to enter the park , but please dont come if you arnt able to pitch in and move branches and rocks off the tracks.
If you intend to visit us this weekend please dont cancel we will be open as I cant afford at this point to be closed. As we clear each track we will reopen them , one by one. This is in the interests of safety as I found it very difficult to drive some of the tracks especially 28 "the gorge loop" and part of 3 "the goat track" They are stable , just strewn with obstacles that make it difficult to drive and unsafe as you have to skirt the edge of the road. I will look at fixing the broken Axle in my dozer next Mon. Then I can make all the areas of concern safe again. If you are looking for some extreme driving , lift and good tyres a must. I guarentee you that you will have fun rocking and rolling over the rough terrain. The creek run 27 is now very extreme , come on someone , drive it , I dare you.
Peter
PS only those who ring or PM me before the weekend to offer their help will get into the park for free , If you can help , please get in touch. Thanks.
Unfortunately , tracks 3 and 28 will be closed until they are cleared of fallen trees and rocks. There are no major washouts , but there are a few slips where rocks and dirt from the bank now cover the road. There are trees over most of track 3 although only 3 stopped me in the GQ. I broke the rear Panhard as I went over a stump that rolled up behind the diff and the rest is well , history. The lightening has smashed s few big trees in and around camp 20 , its really sad to see such big trees shattered into a million pieces.
I will be looking at track 2 and all the spur tracks on the south side of the park tomorrow. I hope its not the same as the north side.
Mud4b and a few mates have offered to help out with clearing , so has Linc and I think a mate on Sat. If anyone else wants to join the cleanup crew I would be very thankful. It wont cost you anything to enter the park , but please dont come if you arnt able to pitch in and move branches and rocks off the tracks.
If you intend to visit us this weekend please dont cancel we will be open as I cant afford at this point to be closed. As we clear each track we will reopen them , one by one. This is in the interests of safety as I found it very difficult to drive some of the tracks especially 28 "the gorge loop" and part of 3 "the goat track" They are stable , just strewn with obstacles that make it difficult to drive and unsafe as you have to skirt the edge of the road. I will look at fixing the broken Axle in my dozer next Mon. Then I can make all the areas of concern safe again. If you are looking for some extreme driving , lift and good tyres a must. I guarentee you that you will have fun rocking and rolling over the rough terrain. The creek run 27 is now very extreme , come on someone , drive it , I dare you.
Peter
PS only those who ring or PM me before the weekend to offer their help will get into the park for free , If you can help , please get in touch. Thanks.
hi pete.
so i guess we are starting on track 3 and 28?
we are fuelled and ready to go, have got 2 chainsaws and the huge crowbars we mentioned.
at this point we have 4 people and 2 trucks. i think that will be all but will let you know 100% before the weekend.
cheers mark.
also if you get time can you suss out if the bobcat is needed, we can come during the week or even next weekend with it .
so i guess we are starting on track 3 and 28?
we are fuelled and ready to go, have got 2 chainsaws and the huge crowbars we mentioned.
at this point we have 4 people and 2 trucks. i think that will be all but will let you know 100% before the weekend.
cheers mark.
also if you get time can you suss out if the bobcat is needed, we can come during the week or even next weekend with it .
Mud4b/ OPT, Cheap rates, Not cheap work. Search Opt- option offroad on facebook. Call or Sms 0439609525.. Sunshine coast, Eudlo, 4554.
Ha ha ha , lmao , and rofl , True I do break a lot of stuff , specially on the Jimny , but that bloody car is just too fun to drive and some of the stuff that im driving when I break it is pretty decent for a zook with 31's no lockers or crawler gears , and $350 suspension. Besides when you have a 1300 acre 4wd park at your disposal and you get board , I'll let you fill in the blanks.
The Panhard rod on the Patrol was just bloody unlucky. GQ's dont normally break. The same stump broke the steering on my red Rangie , and I happened to find it again in the patrol , after I pulled it out of the ground and threw it. Did you know you can drive a Rangie 4 1/2 km with the right wheel not attached to the steering. If you brake it turns right and if you tap the accellerator it turns left , lol.
Mud4b , thanks so much mate , Linc is coming too with a saw and a helper. I ended up in hospital most of today after being charged and slamed by a very sick Boystown cow that was laying on the road into the park. Next time I will just run over the bloody thing. Im ok , bruised , CT scan at Logan says no internal bleeding. Anyway will get up to track 2 and 29 - 46 tomorrow. also want to walk down 5 and see if its safe. I think it will be. Most of 2 is ok , Ewan rode up ther this morning. 3 will be the place to start , and I will close 28 as any rocks rolled over the edge of the goat track will end up that way. Bring gloves and water a change of shoes and a few pairs of sox , not sure how we are going to clear the rocks off 3 , but I will leave them on 28 makes it more fun , and hasnt got as steep sides. The rest is exploring and moving the odd tree and branches. Easy stuff. I hope , then we tackle the creeks , track 28 and 14. That will be fun , mostly rock stacking as we drive thru.
See you Fri , please call when your on your way. PS do you have a Jimny rear drive shaft ??
Peter
The Panhard rod on the Patrol was just bloody unlucky. GQ's dont normally break. The same stump broke the steering on my red Rangie , and I happened to find it again in the patrol , after I pulled it out of the ground and threw it. Did you know you can drive a Rangie 4 1/2 km with the right wheel not attached to the steering. If you brake it turns right and if you tap the accellerator it turns left , lol.
Mud4b , thanks so much mate , Linc is coming too with a saw and a helper. I ended up in hospital most of today after being charged and slamed by a very sick Boystown cow that was laying on the road into the park. Next time I will just run over the bloody thing. Im ok , bruised , CT scan at Logan says no internal bleeding. Anyway will get up to track 2 and 29 - 46 tomorrow. also want to walk down 5 and see if its safe. I think it will be. Most of 2 is ok , Ewan rode up ther this morning. 3 will be the place to start , and I will close 28 as any rocks rolled over the edge of the goat track will end up that way. Bring gloves and water a change of shoes and a few pairs of sox , not sure how we are going to clear the rocks off 3 , but I will leave them on 28 makes it more fun , and hasnt got as steep sides. The rest is exploring and moving the odd tree and branches. Easy stuff. I hope , then we tackle the creeks , track 28 and 14. That will be fun , mostly rock stacking as we drive thru.
See you Fri , please call when your on your way. PS do you have a Jimny rear drive shaft ??
Peter
sounds good to me bud.
mate cant make it today but will be there early tomorrow morn.
there is only me my old in the 80 and my mate marty in his coily sierra.
will send ya a sms now.
cheers mark..
ps want me to run over the moo on my way in?
mate cant make it today but will be there early tomorrow morn.
there is only me my old in the 80 and my mate marty in his coily sierra.
will send ya a sms now.
cheers mark..
ps want me to run over the moo on my way in?
Mud4b/ OPT, Cheap rates, Not cheap work. Search Opt- option offroad on facebook. Call or Sms 0439609525.. Sunshine coast, Eudlo, 4554.
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