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Jackaroo - Strong enough to modify or not?
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Jackaroo - Strong enough to modify or not?
So the story is that a mate of mine has a Jackaroo, not sure what year but the one with the 3.5 litre V6 motor (is that enough to determine model?).
Anyway he came wheeling with us last weekend and whilst the Jackaroo is stock as a rock, it aquited itself pretty well. Well enough for him to think about some mods but he's not sure the driveline is up to it. Basically he wants to put in front and rear lockers, snorkel and a winch bar with winch. Also a 2 inch suspension lift would be on the cards as would a decent set of muddies.
Before the weekend drive he was thinking of unloading the Jack-a-rooter and getting a GQ patrol to modify but he's now thinking of modding it.
The question I have for you Holden/Isuzu guys is (assuming that you can actually get ARB lockers for jack-a-rooters) is the driveline tough enough to be modded and hold together with semi-hard wheeling (not extreme stuff just decent bush track type driving)?
Any thoughts and advice?
Cheers
Simo
Anyway he came wheeling with us last weekend and whilst the Jackaroo is stock as a rock, it aquited itself pretty well. Well enough for him to think about some mods but he's not sure the driveline is up to it. Basically he wants to put in front and rear lockers, snorkel and a winch bar with winch. Also a 2 inch suspension lift would be on the cards as would a decent set of muddies.
Before the weekend drive he was thinking of unloading the Jack-a-rooter and getting a GQ patrol to modify but he's now thinking of modding it.
The question I have for you Holden/Isuzu guys is (assuming that you can actually get ARB lockers for jack-a-rooters) is the driveline tough enough to be modded and hold together with semi-hard wheeling (not extreme stuff just decent bush track type driving)?
Any thoughts and advice?
Cheers
Simo
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go for it
though the 98/99 model can't get a front diff locker, the diff casing is too small apparently
they can get a maximum of 2"lift unless you want to fork out big dollars for a calmini or snakeracing diff drop
but the reason behind this is because the torsion bars are wound up further as stock, so stock standard you have more clearance than every other IFS with the same size tyres
you can got to 265/75R16's (2" larger) as the maximum without scrubbing
auto's are fine, get a transmission radiator though to make sure you don't go cooking it
enjoy the fuel guzzling of the 3.5L though
though the 98/99 model can't get a front diff locker, the diff casing is too small apparently
they can get a maximum of 2"lift unless you want to fork out big dollars for a calmini or snakeracing diff drop
but the reason behind this is because the torsion bars are wound up further as stock, so stock standard you have more clearance than every other IFS with the same size tyres
you can got to 265/75R16's (2" larger) as the maximum without scrubbing
auto's are fine, get a transmission radiator though to make sure you don't go cooking it
enjoy the fuel guzzling of the 3.5L though
'98 Jackaroo
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Might need to look up some yanky sites under "Izuzu Troopers" I think they are a bit soft for serious hardcore stuff, looking under my wifes jack then under my old 40 you realise how soft they are. But dont get me wrong I love the Jack but it does have limitations when up against modded Nissans and Toyotas.
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if you're looking for jackaroo stuff, there is only 1 place to go
http://forum.australia4wd.com/index.php?showforum=18
i pretty much tell everyone to go there :p we have an army of about 20 of us
http://forum.australia4wd.com/index.php?showforum=18
i pretty much tell everyone to go there :p we have an army of about 20 of us
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chikoroll_ wrote:if you're looking for jackaroo stuff, there is only 1 place to go
http://forum.australia4wd.com/index.php?showforum=18
i pretty much tell everyone to go there :p we have an army of about 20 of us
Ditto great info for us strange Jack owners
BJ
Thanks for the advice guys. My mate actually joined OL today and called me up to say he had seen this post and your responses. He's followed your link to the other site and is now a happy little (twisted) Jack-a-rooter owner. Looking forward to when he mods the truck to see how she goes. Pretty impressive in stock for I might add.
Cheers
Simo
Cheers
Simo
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The Jack is far better then a Poojabba!!!
My '03 has 2+" of lift, no rear sway bar and 32x11.5x15 Pro Comp Muds on 15x8 Rockcrawler Ds. No scrubbing on the body. These things are one of the most under rated 4x4s around.
My '03 has 2+" of lift, no rear sway bar and 32x11.5x15 Pro Comp Muds on 15x8 Rockcrawler Ds. No scrubbing on the body. These things are one of the most under rated 4x4s around.
09 Cruiser Tray ARB Bull Bar/side bars, dual batts, 3" Superiour lift, MTZs, other stuff. More to come!!!
90 Sierra Soft top, 3" body 2" spring lift, 31" Claws, 5.14 Calmini, more to do.
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Is the Jack tough enough for those mods? Hmmmm, let me think, how many Safari's and off road rallies have been won in a Jackeroo? I've lost count.
Get on to Bruce Garland in Sydney if you can. He's modded and raced Jacks to victory more than I can remember. All V6's too.
He's got some off road camper and caravan shop in Sydney somwhere.
The Jacks, Fronty's, Rodeo's and MU's have Dana Spicer sourced diffs, some have a Dana 44 in the rear, the drivelines inherit their strength from their big brother Isuzu trucks, etc etc.
Only prob with Isuzu 4wd's is ground cleance in comparison to some others but a 2" lift with 32 or 33" tyres and lockers will make it very capable machine.
Chickoroll I'm pretty sure ARB do make an air locker for the Jack front diffs which are the same as the Rodeo, and Rainsey on here has a front air locker in his Rodeo.
cheers
Get on to Bruce Garland in Sydney if you can. He's modded and raced Jacks to victory more than I can remember. All V6's too.
He's got some off road camper and caravan shop in Sydney somwhere.
The Jacks, Fronty's, Rodeo's and MU's have Dana Spicer sourced diffs, some have a Dana 44 in the rear, the drivelines inherit their strength from their big brother Isuzu trucks, etc etc.
Only prob with Isuzu 4wd's is ground cleance in comparison to some others but a 2" lift with 32 or 33" tyres and lockers will make it very capable machine.
Chickoroll I'm pretty sure ARB do make an air locker for the Jack front diffs which are the same as the Rodeo, and Rainsey on here has a front air locker in his Rodeo.
cheers
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the 98/99 have a smaller front diff housing, can't fit the locker in it or something on those lines
later and earlier models have bigger diffs, but they also lost clearance that the 98/99 had
later and earlier models have bigger diffs, but they also lost clearance that the 98/99 had
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Jack Clearance? What clearance lol?
I was under my wifes aunties 01 SE td Jack two days ago to measure up for sliders.
I had to get off my floor creeper to get under it properly!
Mind you its got some cheap arse looking (OEM) alu sidesteps hanging down a country mile but some parts of the undercarriage hang lower than a stock height Rodeo!
So even the RD94(1) locker wont fit a 98-99 even though their website says its for all IFS diffs?
They mention something about an unidentified 3rd member with a different bolt pattern on the ring gear for some 96-98 models but can be changed with an earlier or later model one for locker fitment BUT...........
they dont say if its the front or rear diff ring gear
I was under my wifes aunties 01 SE td Jack two days ago to measure up for sliders.
I had to get off my floor creeper to get under it properly!
Mind you its got some cheap arse looking (OEM) alu sidesteps hanging down a country mile but some parts of the undercarriage hang lower than a stock height Rodeo!
So even the RD94(1) locker wont fit a 98-99 even though their website says its for all IFS diffs?
They mention something about an unidentified 3rd member with a different bolt pattern on the ring gear for some 96-98 models but can be changed with an earlier or later model one for locker fitment BUT...........
they dont say if its the front or rear diff ring gear
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Re: Jackaroo - Strong enough to modify or not?
Yes Yes and Yes etc.. I'm with Dazz, the old jack is VERY underated. off road racing pedigree speaks volumes.Simo63 wrote:
Basically he wants to put in front and rear lockers, snorkel and a winch bar with winch. Also a 2 inch suspension lift would be on the cards as would a decent set of muddies.
Simo
Lockers - yes some can't get em in the front, but rear is no dramas, but standard rear LSD is usually very good, i'd say hold off till he does other mods + good rubber first.
Snorkel, Airtek is my favorite, but others are available.
Arb steel winch bar is nice, mines got one with a warn xp9000 and plasma rope.
Lift, yes 2 inch is real easy with many different full kits available. Front does become a little limiting but you can do balljoint flips etc. Rear has excellent artic for a stock setup.
Rubber is easy, you can go with 15 inch rims, but on the stock rims 265/75/16 are real nice giving another inch and a half or so of lift. Ive run this size in goodyear MTR's in the past and aired down to 18 or so was real happy with its grip.
All up unless you really abuse them they are a great machine. My current jack was a vic police search and rescue vehicle, enough said i reckon.
cheers Brad.
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I helped a mate mod his 02 V6 Jack over xmas. We did 2" lift, Ball Joint Flip, F & R Lockers, 32" mudders on 15 X 8 rims with a toyota offset, Sliders & rear Bar.
Hear are some issues we faced
1. To get the front diff centre out we had to remove the whole diff assembly which means taking out the front suspension. Not hard just time consuming.
2. Both diffs are shim diffs so have a handfull of spare carrier bearings before you start. We wasted one on the front and two on the back before we got them right.
3. The RD 85 only fits diffs with a carrier bearing size of 96.84 mm. The later model Jacks have a carrier bearing of 97.84 mm. The ARB book says that the RD 85 only fits non LSD diffs. This is INCORRECT! After consulting an arb engineer in Melbourne we found the only issue is the size of the carrier bearing. We fitted ours to a LSD diff with open sunwheels from a 99 model.
4. Should have fitted 33's, the 32's don't even come close to scrubbing
5. Steering arms bend real easy, currently having some made from 4140.
We finished it just before new year and spent two weeks exploring Tassie. On the west coast we did, Pieman heads (both routes), Clunies, Lake Cumberland, Balfour, Mt Balfour, Sandy Cape and a few other tracks that will remain unamed. Since then we have done a couple of other tracks near Sydney that will also remain unamed.
All up the Jack was great and handled anything we threw at it. The auto got hot once in the sand dunes but that was all. Lake Cumberland and some of the tracks around Sydney gave the sliders a workout. more height would be good. I'd say it'd be as good as a 4runner modded to the same specs. Maybe not as much sill clearance but it doesn't have the transfer hanging way down like the toyota.
Hear are some issues we faced
1. To get the front diff centre out we had to remove the whole diff assembly which means taking out the front suspension. Not hard just time consuming.
2. Both diffs are shim diffs so have a handfull of spare carrier bearings before you start. We wasted one on the front and two on the back before we got them right.
3. The RD 85 only fits diffs with a carrier bearing size of 96.84 mm. The later model Jacks have a carrier bearing of 97.84 mm. The ARB book says that the RD 85 only fits non LSD diffs. This is INCORRECT! After consulting an arb engineer in Melbourne we found the only issue is the size of the carrier bearing. We fitted ours to a LSD diff with open sunwheels from a 99 model.
4. Should have fitted 33's, the 32's don't even come close to scrubbing
5. Steering arms bend real easy, currently having some made from 4140.
We finished it just before new year and spent two weeks exploring Tassie. On the west coast we did, Pieman heads (both routes), Clunies, Lake Cumberland, Balfour, Mt Balfour, Sandy Cape and a few other tracks that will remain unamed. Since then we have done a couple of other tracks near Sydney that will also remain unamed.
All up the Jack was great and handled anything we threw at it. The auto got hot once in the sand dunes but that was all. Lake Cumberland and some of the tracks around Sydney gave the sliders a workout. more height would be good. I'd say it'd be as good as a 4runner modded to the same specs. Maybe not as much sill clearance but it doesn't have the transfer hanging way down like the toyota.
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so how are the new steering arms holding up? who made these?
I had a mate with a jackaroo a year back and the steering arms were like they were made of plastic, it seemed to be the only thing letting him down but it was a BIG letdown! They kept bending at the threading right near the tapper
I had a mate with a jackaroo a year back and the steering arms were like they were made of plastic, it seemed to be the only thing letting him down but it was a BIG letdown! They kept bending at the threading right near the tapper
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you don't need a 2" body lift for 33's, just for the mud that goes around the tyresGOT MUD wrote:put a 2inch body lift in it also and 33s are no probs
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body lift
Any ideas on a legal body lift with airbags?
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Re: body lift
insurance will be void because there is no way to judge whether the airbags will be affected- as with any SRS air bag vehicleLS wrote:Any ideas on a legal body lift with airbags?
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