department of transport question qld

[mavzilla]

Nah its good to get a general across the board point of veiw from everyone
Oh by the way which tranport department do you work for RUFF(only jokin dood)
I was aloud to drive the vehicle until the inspection date as it was a major defect notice, not a dangerous defect notice.
For the people that say engineer the car(caster plates/ 5 inch coils/rear arms/)please send me to the place that will do this. The other problem is that once you mod plate it, you must redo the mod plate everytime you change anything on the car
Here is a question for you all - If you engineer a car with 5 inch coils and the springs sag 1 inch is your vehicle able to be defected because of wrong ride height

[GRPABT1]

Ok the latest is it has 1 inch coils now, standard pahard rod, 1 inch shocks, standard brake lines, sway bar on the rear, caster plates removed, roof rack with lights comin off soon.
I appreciate the answers given ,but still dont know if deregistering will clear the defect so im goin the standard option
After seeing the car my wife said it looks like a pussy car now and the dog wont even jump in it.(please a moment to compose myself)
It is very disapointing to put so much time and MONEY into something and then loose it to the transport inpector gods.
OK i will keep posting untill the dreaded day in January when i get inspected, after that i will be very happy or in jail HAHAHA
Posative things - can now drive in underground car parks
- doesnt hit on shade sail at home now
- can reach beer in fridge a lot easier
Negative things -ormeau would probably kill it now
water on the bonnet on crossings now will be over the
roof
I need to be . to drive it now
Oh well thats me after a very traumatic days ripping bits of my prized posetion, catch ya in the shopping centre car parks from now on

Dude I feel your pain, I've been done by Transpost before in my V8, thankfully up here they are a little less naziesque. I appluad you for going to the trouble to do it right though. I don't see why you couldn't get those mods engineered in the long run so cheer up.

And all those whining wankers sticking up for the DOT lay off and have a bit of sympathy ok, there are plenty worse death traps on the road than zook with lifts, lights and no mud flaps FFS! Shit this one even has better than standard brakes!

[GRPABT1]

Nah its good to get a general across the board point of veiw from everyone
Oh by the way which tranport department do you work for RUFF(only jokin dood)
I was aloud to drive the vehicle until the inspection date as it was a major defect notice, not a dangerous defect notice.
For the people that say engineer the car(caster plates/ 5 inch coils/rear arms/)please send me to the place that will do this. The other problem is that once you mod plate it, you must redo the mod plate everytime you change anything on the car
Here is a question for you all - If you engineer a car with 5 inch coils and the springs sag 1 inch is your vehicle able to be defected because of wrong ride height

If you come to Townsville I might be able to hook you up with a friendgineer

[-Scott-]

And all those whining wankers sticking up for the DOT lay off and have a bit of sympathy ok, there are plenty worse death traps on the road than zook with lifts, lights and no mud flaps FFS! Shit this one even has better than standard brakes!

No. I can't speak for others, but I want all death traps off the road - not just the worst ones. Which is why I spent a ridiculous amount jumping through the hoops in SA to ensure that my mods are recognised as safe.

In Qld, I had everything approved except for the tyres, which Qld simply wouldn't allow (they passed in SA without trouble - my vehicle wasn't a "death trap.") If I had been pinged for the tyres, you wouldn't have found me on here abusing Qld Transport for it.

And your "friendgineer"? Ask Victorians about what happens when "friendly" engineers are discovered by the authorities.

[mavzilla]

Ok Scott as i said all input is applauded but i would like you to show me were i abused dot qld in this post. I get your point i need to drive the same vehicle to SA and it will be less dangerous ???As for people calling it a death trap , a blue plate will make the same mods not a death trap is what your saying
Now back to the reason for this post, it was about ways to cancell the defect on the vehicle, to notify all people of possible outcomes if in the same situation and to get bucket loads of sympathy from anyone i can as i have to standardise my pride and joy(my rig)
Oh im sorry i mist the fact that engineered trucks are much safer because you have more money to comply the same mods as mine(tyres included if i drive to SA)
thats my 2 cents for now my only ask is to read the post before calling a well built safe not engineered vehicle a death trap
OH ya i didnt get an answer on the spring question 5 inch sagged to 4 inch , are they defective , wrong height?????????????

[-Scott-]

Ok Scott as i said all input is applauded but i would like you to show me were i abused dot qld in this post. I get your point i need to drive the same vehicle to SA and it will be less dangerous ???As for people calling it a death trap , a blue plate will make the same mods not a death trap is what your saying
Now back to the reason for this post, it was about ways to cancell the defect on the vehicle, to notify all people of possible outcomes if in the same situation and to get bucket loads of sympathy from anyone i can as i have to standardise my pride and joy(my rig)
Oh im sorry i mist the fact that engineered trucks are much safer because you have more money to comply the same mods as mine(tyres included if i drive to SA)
thats my 2 cents for now my only ask is to read the post before calling a well built safe not engineered vehicle a death trap
OH ya i didnt get an answer on the spring question 5 inch sagged to 4 inch , are they defective , wrong height?????????????

mavzilla, you are correct, you haven't abused dot in this post - I apologise.

My rant was more directed at GRPABT1. I read his post as suggesting the authorities should somehow defect vehicles in order of severity of defect. "Oh, this car is defective, but that one over there is worse - so we can't defect this one yet."

No, mavzilla, your vehicle wouldn't be any "safer" in SA. I was attempting to make the point that I knew my vehicle was "defective" under Qld laws, and was fully prepared to accept any consequences - as I suggest you should be. I mentioned the SA bit to forestall accusations that I drive a death trap - I don't now, and never have.

The rules are all there in black and white, so I don't accept that there is any excuse to NOT know whether a vehicle complies. If somebody's vehicle doesn't comply with the rules, they get no sympathy. You claim yours is safe and well built? Prove it!

Your question. If your vehicle is engineered as "safe" with a 5" lift you're unlikely to be crucified for allowing it to sag 1". However, dial it back to a 2" lift, and the authorities may want to re-assess issues such as steering - for instance, do caster correction plates need to be removed?

[GRPABT1]

And all those whining wankers sticking up for the DOT lay off and have a bit of sympathy ok, there are plenty worse death traps on the road than zook with lifts, lights and no mud flaps FFS! Shit this one even has better than standard brakes!

No. I can't speak for others, but I want all death traps off the road - not just the worst ones. Which is why I spent a ridiculous amount jumping through the hoops in SA to ensure that my mods are recognised as safe.

In Qld, I had everything approved except for the tyres, which Qld simply wouldn't allow (they passed in SA without trouble - my vehicle wasn't a "death trap.") If I had been pinged for the tyres, you wouldn't have found me on here abusing Qld Transport for it.

And your "friendgineer"? Ask Victorians about what happens when "friendly" engineers are discovered by the authorities.

Oh so your illegal tyres don't make your car a death trap but you assume this one is!? There are some real holier than thou attitudes on her.

[GRPABT1]

Ok Scott as i said all input is applauded but i would like you to show me were i abused dot qld in this post. I get your point i need to drive the same vehicle to SA and it will be less dangerous ???As for people calling it a death trap , a blue plate will make the same mods not a death trap is what your saying
Now back to the reason for this post, it was about ways to cancell the defect on the vehicle, to notify all people of possible outcomes if in the same situation and to get bucket loads of sympathy from anyone i can as i have to standardise my pride and joy(my rig)
Oh im sorry i mist the fact that engineered trucks are much safer because you have more money to comply the same mods as mine(tyres included if i drive to SA)
thats my 2 cents for now my only ask is to read the post before calling a well built safe not engineered vehicle a death trap
OH ya i didnt get an answer on the spring question 5 inch sagged to 4 inch , are they defective , wrong height?????????????

mavzilla, you are correct, you haven't abused dot in this post - I apologise.

My rant was more directed at GRPABT1. I read his post as suggesting the authorities should somehow defect vehicles in order of severity of defect. "Oh, this car is defective, but that one over there is worse - so we can't defect this one yet."

I never suggested that at all, I don't have any problem with DOT defecting anyone. I say defect every bloody illegal car to keep more death traps off the road. What bothers me is self righteous people on here suggesting that his car is far worse than theirs becuase he doesn't have a few expensive blue plates on his firewall. How are we to know if his car is safe or not? And who are we to judge? FFS even the bloody people handing out the defects don't know they just know the rules. Yes he should man up and take it on the chin but no he shouldn't be subjected to ridicule becuase his car is supposedly "dangerous" because it's not engineered. Shit I could get mine engineered tomorrow and be totally legal but is my car a death trap today but not tomorrow? Simply put no, sometimes the engineer is just a formality, but a required on none the less to keep real death traps off the road.

[turbo42]

In answer to your actual question.

In about July this year the defect process in QLD changed because people where abusing it as outlined by people in this very thread.

Anyway when you get a MAJOR Defect your VIN goes into the DOT computer and you have to present it for inspection. If you do not present vehicle to pits and de-register it instead then this is fine but your VIN stayes tagged in the system so when you goto re-register it a flag gets posted and the guy who did the new RWC for you wants to hope it is legit as he will get hauled over it and you will get a pit inspection.

So in short don't bother de-registering it if you are going to re-register the vin again with a dodgy RWC as you will take your mate down with you.

[mavzilla]

Ok turbo42 thanks for the advice what i asked for, Ive already decided to do the defect clearance via inpection station passing my standard vehicle.
It is good to have a forum to help me with other peoples knowledge about my situaation. Iam trying to put the vehicle back to a standard that i think will pass dot in qld(has me worried)as said they can be pretty tough ive heard
Thanks grpabt1 for the offer of the friengineer (meaning a freind who does it by the book but also your friend and maybe easy to deal with)but its a long way to go and i dont want to live there. Well now thats all sorted out i want this thread to stay alive so i can let you know how i went and maybe give advice to people who need it about clearing defects(iIF IT GETS PASSED???????)

[SuperiorEngineering]

As turbo 42 stated i would agree.
About 2 years ago i had a heavily modified hilux that got a defect notice by mail, I deregistered it left it a month ,than reregistered
About 6 months later got another mail notice to bring the truck in
All good i thought , just do the same. Not this time as my wife went down to transport department to register it in her name there was a notice on the vin no to " never register until veiwed by transport officers" not in tho's exact words but you get the picture.
Any way that was the end of the green hilux as it was to modified to go back to standard.
Being smarter now i built a comp 4x4 and bought a truck to move it , no plates but rego( as needed but a total waste of money )
DOT is'nt totally stupid i think if you are going to have a street driven fourby dont build it high as you will only bring yourself problems, and dont run 35's on the street .
For your truck just do as you have and get it back to legal and produce it for DOT , then build it smarter so it doesn't stand out or go Comp truck.

I would be surprised if you deregister it that you could reregister it in QLD now. For the guys who have they should have bought lotto tickets

[Sic Lux]

Yeah this is where i was lucky with mine (john's old thing) after a good glare or 2 from the boy's with their purple light's i bought a little pos to drive to work in now i can afford it it i bought a 80 to tow it so i don't have to drive lookin over my shoulder. If you want to have something thats modded as all hell budget to tow it so you don't have this problem.

[booflux]

Oh so your illegal tyres don't make your car a death trap but you assume this one is!? There are some real holier than thou attitudes on her.

Well at least they arent draconian Do Mavzilla a favour and stop trying to help him out

[jimmyb]

Make sure your brakes work, including handbrake! They test these on the rollers. Be aware they will get under your vehicle in the pit, and put it on the test pads to check wheel bearing and steering movement in the front so make sure thats all up to scratch also.

[GRPABT1]

Oh so your illegal tyres don't make your car a death trap but you assume this one is!? There are some real holier than thou attitudes on her.

Well at least they arent draconian

EDITED: I dont think so sunshine - problem with that, PM RUFF and he'll sort it out for you. P.S. I copied before editing

[mavzilla]

Thanks Jimmyb for the heads up. The car is in very good condition running gear wise, no oil leaks and good brakes all round incl hand brake. I havent driven it since lowering it as now hyundai drivers laugh at me .Im gonna clean and shine this thing from top to bottom, and if all else fails theres bribery i guess .
Ive got a set of 265/75/16 bfg allterains on 16 ich cruiser rims to go on so that should cover the tyres as well. once again thanks for all the advice

[scuba steve 22]

There are some real holier than thou attitudes on here.

how long did it take you to realise this

[nastytroll]

If your tyre placard is not readable let me know n I can e-mail you a copy of a genuine one, they will defect you if it is even slightly worn.

[RUFF]

If your tyre placard is not readable let me know n I can e-mail you a copy of a genuine one, they will defect you if it is even slightly worn.

Thats odd as not all vehicles came fitted with a tyre placard? And i have never heard of anyone ever getting booked or picked on for not having one or it not being readable.

[Shadow]

Nah its good to get a general across the board point of veiw from everyone
Oh by the way which tranport department do you work for RUFF(only jokin dood)
I was aloud to drive the vehicle until the inspection date as it was a major defect notice, not a dangerous defect notice.
For the people that say engineer the car(caster plates/ 5 inch coils/rear arms/)please send me to the place that will do this. The other problem is that once you mod plate it, you must redo the mod plate everytime you change anything on the car
Here is a question for you all - If you engineer a car with 5 inch coils and the springs sag 1 inch is your vehicle able to be defected because of wrong ride height

It is against the law to drive a defective motor vehicle. Some considerations can be given if you are driving the vehicle to a destination to have repairs done, but it is not the law. The law is, dont drive a defective motor vehicle. Just having mudflaps 260mm off the ground is technically enough to issue you with a fine.

So you werent allowed to drive it at all. If they saw you again they would give you a fine, and another defect notice.

When another mod is done to your vehicle, requiring a mod plate, the issuer of the Modification plate must ensure, and assume responsility for, all modifications to the vehicle. This is done to make sure past mods are still legal and have not been changed etc, and also to maintain a general safety standard to the vehicle. Its possible that two mods may conflict with eachother. If each mod was engineered and approved sperately, there could be a problem.

No engineer can approve a 5" lift in queensland. There is simply no way it can be approved at all. If your 5" coils sag 1", its still illegal.

fix your car, or it will get owned at bundal, i can guarantee it.

[Shadow]

As turbo 42 stated i would agree.
About 2 years ago i had a heavily modified hilux that got a defect notice by mail, I deregistered it left it a month ,than reregistered
About 6 months later got another mail notice to bring the truck in
All good i thought , just do the same. Not this time as my wife went down to transport department to register it in her name there was a notice on the vin no to " never register until veiwed by transport officers" not in tho's exact words but you get the picture.
Any way that was the end of the green hilux as it was to modified to go back to standard.
Being smarter now i built a comp 4x4 and bought a truck to move it , no plates but rego( as needed but a total waste of money )
DOT is'nt totally stupid i think if you are going to have a street driven fourby dont build it high as you will only bring yourself problems, and dont run 35's on the street .
For your truck just do as you have and get it back to legal and produce it for DOT , then build it smarter so it doesn't stand out or go Comp truck.

I would be surprised if you deregister it that you could reregister it in QLD now. For the guys who have they should have bought lotto tickets

It will work, defects are not attached to a vehiocles VIN. they are attached to the rego number.

Cancel the rego, defects dissapear. Re-register and your all sweet.

However, in your case, someone saw your vehicle again, realised you had done the dodge, and manually added a little note to your vehicles history in the TRAILS software, and also issued you with another present vehicle order. now, when you go to re-register, the lady at qld transport starts entering your vin, and up pops this note saying "vehicle is a POS, never register unless qld transport officer approves".

You are very lucky they didnt come down harder on you, ie, catch you driving it, then fine you for driving a defective vehicle, ground the vehicle (tow truck costs) etc.

[scuba steve 22]

You are very lucky they didn't come down harder on you, ie, catch you driving it, then fine you for driving a defective vehicle, ground the vehicle (tow truck costs) etc.

who do you work for??

[Shadow]

You are very lucky they didn't come down harder on you, ie, catch you driving it, then fine you for driving a defective vehicle, ground the vehicle (tow truck costs) etc.

who do you work for??

A construction company, very much unrelated to DOT if thats what your getting at.

[scuba steve 22]

You are very lucky they didn't come down harder on you, ie, catch you driving it, then fine you for driving a defective vehicle, ground the vehicle (tow truck costs) etc.

who do you work for??

A construction company, very much unrelated to DOT if that's what your getting at.

just wondering after reading a couple of your posts

[mavzilla]

Ok i got the tyre placard to put on the vehicle, next question is i have 265/75/16 bfg allterains on 80 series 16x8 steel rims to go on. are these legal in size and fitment to pass the car(dont want any mistakes)

[Shadow]

Ok i got the tyre placard to put on the vehicle, next question is i have 265/75/16 bfg allterains on 80 series 16x8 steel rims to go on. are these legal in size and fitment to pass the car(dont want any mistakes)

that makes the overall diameter 803.9mm.

whats your tyre placard say.

[mavzilla]

750 x16x6 ply
10rx15x 6ply
IT doesnt give it to me in 803mm measurements
rims size 5.50jj x 16 and 7jjx15
hope this helps with the question

[nastytroll]

Mickey Thompson fittment chart lists 7.50/16 at 806mm and 265 75 16 at 803mm so size is fine, 16 x 8 rims should be fine also as the rim n tyres fitted are within the mod range. +15mm/-26mm diameter and not to extend the vehicle track more then 50mm more then maximum vehicle spec.
Dont forget the TI came with tri spoke makes at 16x8 with 265 75 16 tyres so these are a standard size providing you are running flares you will be fine.
If you have the (part # at bottum right corner 02J16) tyre plackard it covers all gq tyre options, from what you posted it sounds like it.

[mavzilla]

OK heres the verdict, produced the car today for the inspection, brake rollers and shimy pads and all. The guys were quite plessant to deal with, they knocked me for a rust repair that was not welded and a dodgy number plate. They did a thourough inspection and were concerned with a panel that was dented and knocked out straight, i advised them that i thought dents were illegal and it was pushed out and bogged up for cleanup. they asked why i was there and i explained the situation, defect notice and why i got it. they issued me with a self clear notice for the rust hole and plates and i was on my way after getting new plates.
I did a lot of cleaning up of the vehicle and spoke respectfully to them and they were respectfull in return.
So it was a happy ending for me and my truck
thanks for all the advice given and see ya on the tracks
MAVZILLA

[Suspension Stuff]

Congrats pity you have a standard vehicle for off road now.

For the southerners who say get a lift done properly. You cannot get a 4wd engineered with a 3" suspension lift or bigger tyres. If you did get it plated it is still illegal.

The standard bump stop clearence on the front of a Patrol is 60-65mm. A third of this is a tad over 20mm meaning a 1" suspension lift is illegal in Qld if you follow the law. (Maybe I have read this wrong but this is the way it reads to me) They all allow a 2" lift however the transport department don't really have to follow the laws unless you plan to fight them in court. Good luck with that.

If the laws were followed there would be no 4wd scene in Qld except for a few Hilux's and a couple of Rangie's, some SWB Patrols and a Wrangler. All on standard tyres of course. All those with a LWB Patrol/Crusier would move to the tweed NSW where they get their mod plates and drive legally in Qld. (Maybe we should start a 4wd commune at the back of the tweed somewhere)

This is suppose to change by the end of 2008 and suspension lifts that are over 2" lift will be able to get engineered with the lane change test etc. However I will believe it when I see it.

If the new laws are reasonable then Qld transport department and Engineers will be swamped.

Shane