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Auto Vs Manual for 4x4ing
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Hmm - I have heard the info that trimatics can be tow started from a number of sources. I'm in no position to prove either way, I was going in the information I had. Likewise with the Gwagen , but I have spoken to people who have successfully tow started their Gwagens.
Rocky8- before you argue your point any more, unless you have driven a well geared, well setup auto off road, your preference is only that. I have no idea why you "need" a 5 speed manual, I can as easily say you "need" an auto... If you have driven a good one, you'll recognise you don't "need" an auto, you just really, really want one.
I sometimes think the perception that autos are easier to drive means guys think you're not a real man if you don't drive a manual. It's OK, people said that about power steering and coil springs too. The fact is, auto's aren't any easier to drive, but for the same effort, auto's deliver a better result and add to the car's capability.
Steve.
Rocky8- before you argue your point any more, unless you have driven a well geared, well setup auto off road, your preference is only that. I have no idea why you "need" a 5 speed manual, I can as easily say you "need" an auto... If you have driven a good one, you'll recognise you don't "need" an auto, you just really, really want one.
I sometimes think the perception that autos are easier to drive means guys think you're not a real man if you don't drive a manual. It's OK, people said that about power steering and coil springs too. The fact is, auto's aren't any easier to drive, but for the same effort, auto's deliver a better result and add to the car's capability.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
Rocky8 what makes an auto superior to a manual IMHO has nothing to do with the automatic shifting of gears. I have a fully manual - auto, it doesn't change by itself but thats only a minor detail.
Its about the torque control / multiplication provided by the converter, the ability to creep up to an obstacle, apply power and inch the wheels up or if required back off and have them come down again.
Its about instant gear changes in response to changing conditions - no loss of vehicle speed or crash changes.
Its about smooth hill starts -no three pedal shuffle and burning clutch, no cursing the handbrake that doesn't hold.
The thing that distinguishes the men from the boys ( or girls in you terms ) is who drives the hills / obstacles - and your more likely to do it in a well setup auto.
Its about the torque control / multiplication provided by the converter, the ability to creep up to an obstacle, apply power and inch the wheels up or if required back off and have them come down again.
Its about instant gear changes in response to changing conditions - no loss of vehicle speed or crash changes.
Its about smooth hill starts -no three pedal shuffle and burning clutch, no cursing the handbrake that doesn't hold.
The thing that distinguishes the men from the boys ( or girls in you terms ) is who drives the hills / obstacles - and your more likely to do it in a well setup auto.
( usual disclaimers )
It seemed like a much better idea when I started it than it does now.
It seemed like a much better idea when I started it than it does now.
Yes you can. Cruise Control is absolutely magic when you have an Auto. Not only that, i have driven my Automatic Prado offroad with an identical model with identical mods with me (except it was manual) and the ability of the Auto really showed itself i the way everything is taken. That's not even in the really hard stuff, but towards the end of the Prados ability.Rocky8 wrote:U cant compare a comp truck to your standard fourby....in comp trucks u are too busy with your hands to have a manual...but for a standard fourby u need a 5 speed manual...
I can lock my Prado in 1st or 2nd, and can prevent it going into overdrive (4th) when needed. There are plenty of other vehicles about you can do similiar with, with a standard gearbox. Which gives plenty of gear selection options in a "standard fourby" There is more to driving an automatic offroad then just sticking it in Drive.Rocky8 wrote:i'd rather select my gears so im in exactly the right gear i need...rather than let the auto jump in and out of the gear i want...
As soon as i have other things sorted, my Sierra will be getting an Auto under it also, for all the reasons everyone has already mentioned in this thread. Go take an Auto offroad and drive it properly and your opinion will change.
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See Mightymouse, you should have bought a rocky - they come with torque converter manuals -MightyMouse wrote:Do you read others replies ?Rocky8 wrote:why would u want to spend all that money setting up an auto to do what a manual trans does?...
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
Gwagensteve wrote:See Mightymouse, you should have bought a rocky - they come with torque converter manuals -MightyMouse wrote:Do you read others replies ?Rocky8 wrote:why would u want to spend all that money setting up an auto to do what a manual trans does?...
Steve.
I do wonder whether he has ever driven an auto off road, by the sounds of it no-one would let him drive theirs
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Its all a bit strange to me, the more engineering mistakes I make, the better the Feroza seems to go..... I'm going to have to reconsider the front locker now - wouldn't want to further reduce its capability.Gwagensteve wrote:See Mightymouse, you should have bought a rocky - they come with torque converter manuals -
Steve.
( usual disclaimers )
It seemed like a much better idea when I started it than it does now.
It seemed like a much better idea when I started it than it does now.
....for going down hill slowly.Rocky8 wrote:a 5 speed manual diesel in low range....theres nothing better boys....
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Auto for everything else.4WD Stuff wrote:....for going down hill slowly.Rocky8 wrote:a 5 speed manual diesel in low range....theres nothing better boys....
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Even scary downhills. Not many stock fourbies are geared low enough that you don't have to use your brakes to stop 'em running away on steep downhills.
Properly driven, an auto will simply carp on a manual in the rough. End of story. If you doubt it, then go for a wheel with a similar vehicle and a capable driver and be prepared to eat your words.
Properly driven, an auto will simply carp on a manual in the rough. End of story. If you doubt it, then go for a wheel with a similar vehicle and a capable driver and be prepared to eat your words.
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Yep, keep bringing the tech dudeRocky8 wrote:a 5 speed manual diesel in low range....theres nothing better boys....
So, from what experience do you hold this opinion? How many autos have you driven off road? What's the setup on the "ultimate" diesel manual you are advocating thats better than (any?) auto?
Yes, a manual diesel drives nicely. An auto diesel? miles better. Of course, I've owned both so I clearly don't know what I'm talking about.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
Pfft as the owner of a 5 speed manual TURBO diesal (running 31 AT's mind you) .. I dont even know nor care what gravity is ..Gwagensteve wrote:Gravity laughs at 5 speed manuals.
Steve.
" If governments are involved in the covering up the knowledge of aliens, Then they are doing a much better job of it than they do of everything else "
Yes that's sometimes true steven101, but not always and so what ? As I see it the threads about potential - and its great that with an auto you can make them even better. A manual is just a manual.steven101 wrote:Has ANYONE... noticed everyone that to run an auto everyone says "with some work an auto is better than a manual"....
And manuals do run away down hill - I spent lots of time with both feet on the brake pedal trying to slowly descend - not a lot of fun.steven101 wrote: An auto STOCK will run away down a hill
A Manual Won't
( usual disclaimers )
It seemed like a much better idea when I started it than it does now.
It seemed like a much better idea when I started it than it does now.
As soon as there is something steep a manual is just as useless as an auto except with an auto you only need one foot on the brake where a manaul you need a foot on the clutch also.steven101 wrote:Has ANYONE... noticed everyone that to run an auto everyone says "with some work an auto is better than a manual"....
An auto STOCK will run away down a hill
A Manual Won't
Only bad thing about the auto is the repair bill if you stuff it but it is worth it.
Shane
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