VIC WINCH 2008

[REVNGQ]

THE VIC WINCH THIS YEAR WILL IT ONLY BE PRODUCTION CLASS RACING ?? OR WILL THEIR ALSO CHALLENGE CLASS ASWELL...??? ANY INFO WHAT BE GREAT.

[MYTTUF]

At this stage it is only for production. There are at least 3 events in Vic for Challenge Class trucks. It may change as the year progresses
Jonesy

[ford36]

can you have a gu front diff in a gq if you are in production class?

[MYTTUF]

The rules are out on the new CCDA website. Download'm and check but I think you cannot.
Jonesy

[sierrajim]

I just read the rules for production class.

Original engine, original transmission, original diffs, original shock mounts, no fibreglass panels, no ute chops etc etc

Is there enough cars in Vic with owners that want to race them that fit these rules?

On a side note:
In the winches section "winches must be from mounted" typo.

And you state that axle location needs to be within 50mm of standard, then later in the rules you state that "wheelbase must remain standard". Which one is it?

[Smithy jnr]

(Original engine, original transmission, original diffs, original shock mounts, no fibreglass panels, no ute chops etc etc)

This detail is in line with the proposed GQ Racing Class that has been previously discussed, it is to keep the costs down and race against vehicles that have similar features, so it should get back to driver/Navi skill not expensive equipment that gives you an edge over the competition.

(And you state that axle location needs to be within 50mm of standard, then later in the rules you state that "wheelbase must remain standard". Which one is it?)

The 50mm allows for some variation that occurs to the standard wheel base when you lift the vehicle to fit 35's underneath.

[BushTuckerNed]

i dont see the point in limiting the classes.

yes there is other comps for drivers whos cars fall into the higher classes, but the driving ability may not fall into the higher class. I know you only drive as fast or as hard as you want. But if the other comps with the higher classes are set out to be that little bit harder some drivers may not feel comfortable with it.

Most say that its the driver not the 4wd? So whats the point of limiting comps becasue of the cars modifications. Because some one who normally gets out on weekend and then wants to compete in an event, the fact that he/she has chopped their car into a ute or put fibreglass panels on it shouldnt stop them from entering the one comp in Vic that is said to be the comp for the beginner drivers.

[REVNGQ]

i dont see the point in limiting the classes.

yes there is other comps for drivers whos cars fall into the higher classes, but the driving ability may not fall into the higher class. I know you only drive as fast or as hard as you want. But if the other comps with the higher classes are set out to be that little bit harder some drivers may not feel comfortable with it.

Most say that its the driver not the 4wd? So whats the point of limiting comps becasue of the cars modifications. Because some one who normally gets out on weekend and then wants to compete in an event, the fact that he/she has chopped their car into a ute or put fibreglass panels on it shouldnt stop them from entering the one comp in Vic that is said to be the comp for the beginner drivers.

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[MudRhino]

I have to agree completely with Scott.

Vic Winch is a medium comp, designed for people wanting to go from piss easy to something harder, without having to enter events that are extremely difficult.

I know if it were not for Vic Winch I would never have competed. It is the ONLY medium level event that takes a complete beginner and brings them up to spead with what it would take to compete at the Ateco and so on.

Why the sudden need to change it anyway? It has worked extrememly well for many years.

[Smithy jnr]

I don't see any reason why both class's couldn't run in the VicWinch, it worked well last year.

[ford36]

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[ford36]

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[REVNGQ]

I don't see any reason why both class's couldn't run in the VicWinch, it worked well last year.

i hope it dose smithy

[beretta]

I don't see any reason why both class's couldn't run in the VicWinch, it worked well last year.

i hope it dose smithy

So do I, was looking forward to having a run in it this year and my car won't meet prod rules anymore...

[hottiemonster]

I don't see any reason why both class's couldn't run in the VicWinch, it worked well last year.

i hope it dose smithy

So do I, was looking forward to having a run in it this year and my car won't meet prod rules anymore...

same here.

[maccasMQ]

well looks like alot of people are pulling out. I reckon you should still have challenge or trophy, could even run the 3 classes? but yeh i was hoping to do some mods to my car, and enter, but with the planned mods, wont be able to compete now.

[MYTTUF]

Well it seems there are lots against a production only VWC as far as forums go. The problem with thT IS that no-one who counts really reads forums. I am strongly suggesting you take your opinions to a CCDA meeting and be heard.
As I have previously stated, I am only reporting news as I hear it and I don't care either way. I have a production class car and will be competing for the fun of it and don't care who else competes or what they are driving.
Jonesy

[krimnl]

all lot of people pushed for this class of racing, a lot of people (including heaps of people on here!!) said that the trophy class was to close to challenge class and was pointless.
So all the work goes into putting together this class , most of you supported GQ class but wanted other makes aswell we put that in and you all complain again. I GIVE UP.

IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT BACK OR PUT YOU 2 CENTS WORTH IN GO TO A FUCKING MEETING AND STAND UP IF NOT SHUT UP AND LIVE WITH IT!!!!


rant off

[beretta]

Darren, I think you missed the point, people fully support the prod class and your efforts to get it happening, it is a fantastic idea and there has been a lot of work gone into getting the idea floated, but there are a number of people with reasonably modded cars that want to do Vic Winch, why not have two separate classes and cater for both? That way we can have production class and still get the people with modified cars to run as well.

I think Production class will take off, but there has to be a transition period of sorts with comps like Vic Winch.

[swamp]

My opinion only, I don't think VWC 07 was an entry level event. Production class rules will hopefully bring back what VWC is all about.
A well built standard car that maybe a daily driver that you can go and have a bit of comp experience in without competing against mega dollar rigs . I will have to down grade my car to compete but it will be better than the continuing upgrades to be halfway competitive in trophy or challenge.
The theory that you can have multiple classes running doesn't work for me. The lower spec classes always seem to be also rans and not part of the real event ( ask your self who won VWC in 03,04,05) outright winner always.
It may not be popular the first year but I think what the people that have put so much into this have got it right .
Motor sport is expensive, there is no denying that but you should be able to build a competitive production car for about 20k, there are storys of challenge cars costing over 100k and half that to keep up each year.
To see the sport grow we need people who love to go out and have a play on the weekend to be able to put a cage in there car compete with people on the same level, have fun and not have to be concerned about spending another 2k on the winch or triple overhead underhangs for the motor
Only my two cent's worth but look back at OBC 5 years ago fairly standard rigs being competitive, that was grass roots 4wd comp.

[gqpete]

x2 what he said

[krimnl]

My opinion only, I don't think VWC 07 was an entry level event. Production class rules will hopefully bring back what VWC is all about.
A well built standard car that maybe a daily driver that you can go and have a bit of comp experience in without competing against mega dollar rigs . I will have to down grade my car to compete but it will be better than the continuing upgrades to be halfway competitive in trophy or challenge.
The theory that you can have multiple classes running doesn't work for me. The lower spec classes always seem to be also rans and not part of the real event ( ask your self who won VWC in 03,04,05) outright winner always.
It may not be popular the first year but I think what the people that have put so much into this have got it right .
Motor sport is expensive, there is no denying that but you should be able to build a competitive production car for about 20k, there are storys of challenge cars costing over 100k and half that to keep up each year.
To see the sport grow we need people who love to go out and have a play on the weekend to be able to put a cage in there car compete with people on the same level, have fun and not have to be concerned about spending another 2k on the winch or triple overhead underhangs for the motor
Only my two cent's worth but look back at OBC 5 years ago fairly standard rigs being competitive, that was grass roots 4wd comp.

I totally agree

when i done my first OBC in 1999 the cars wernt even as modded as production class!!!

I think its up to the CCDA to allow challenge class cars to compete in vicwinch but i think preference should be given to production class cars first. this is why we started vic winch for entry level competitors and in my opinion entry level drivers shouldnt be competing in challenge class cars.

[bogged]

all lot of people pushed for this class of racing, a lot of people (including heaps of people on here!!) said that the trophy class was to close to challenge class and was pointless.
So all the work goes into putting together this class , most of you supported GQ class but wanted other makes aswell we put that in and you all complain again. I GIVE UP.

IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT BACK OR PUT YOU 2 CENTS WORTH IN GO TO A . MEETING AND STAND UP IF NOT SHUT UP AND LIVE WITH IT!!!!


rant off

that would be the 11 pages here
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/vi ... p?t=112031

[krimnl]

all lot of people pushed for this class of racing, a lot of people (including heaps of people on here!!) said that the trophy class was to close to challenge class and was pointless.
So all the work goes into putting together this class , most of you supported GQ class but wanted other makes aswell we put that in and you all complain again. I GIVE UP.

IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT BACK OR PUT YOU 2 CENTS WORTH IN GO TO A . MEETING AND STAND UP IF NOT SHUT UP AND LIVE WITH IT!!!!


rant off

that would be the 11 pages here
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/vi ... p?t=112031

yep , 11 pages of support, then once its in the support goes.

I had so many people come up to me at events and say it was a great idea. plus the phone calls and email supporting it. then this ....... why would anyone bother to try and improve the sport. I take my hat off to the people that run the CCDA every year without any praise just constant critiism.

[sierrajim]

I think its up to the CCDA to allow challenge class cars to compete in vicwinch but i think preference should be given to production class cars first. this is why we started vic winch for entry level competitors and in my opinion entry level drivers shouldnt be competing in challenge class cars.

Wise words. We'll see how many people have cars that are only mildly modified and fitted with 6 point cages.

Datsun class will take off, i have no doubt. It's a matter of how many cars there will be in the class in the short term.

[bogged]

how many cars do they need to run to make the event viable?

[MYTTUF]

As VWC is only as "B" class event, roll cages only need to be 4point and seat belts are all that is needed in the cars. I think there are lots of cars out there that go strait into0 Production Class, it's just a matter of weather the owners actually will. I know I will and know a few others who are keen too.
jonesy

[sierrajim]

As VWC is only as "B" class event, roll cages only need to be 4point and seat belts are all that is needed in the cars. I think there are lots of cars out there that go strait into0 Production Class, it's just a matter of weather they will. I know I will and know a few others who are keen.
jonesy

In that case you'll have a good try at filling the field. Unfortunately not my car, although my side doors and windscreen still fit in Production class, the remainder of the car does not

[MYTTUF]

But were you gunna do the event??
And if you were, you now have the choice of many others in the Engel series.
Jonesy

[TRobbo]

how many cars do they need to run to make the event viable?

All depends on entry fees charged and to the extent that facilities and other goodies are provided. A small event with say 20 teams will run a small budget. Larger events of between 30 and 45 teams require considerably more work, planning and management.

Everything obviously needs to be self funded. To run a 3 day event with 5 stages on one day requires a minimum of 55 people. At this number of people no one gets a break. Considering the people that are helping out are volunteers a bit a slack around this helps. It often works out ot be a ratio of 1 marshal per competitor with a field of 35.

Property hire, toilets and waste disposal, printing of passes & lanyards, St johns, marquee & other equipment hire, catering and prizes are all expected costs. An event can cost between 15K and 65K to put on depending on what you do.



I agree with production class racing. If it limits the cost and makes it feasible then bring it on. I would be happy to see cars racing on 33's. Sure a 37 gives better clearance, but you simply change the way you set up the track so that it is challenging for 33's so the spectacle and challenge are comprable. It also will reduce environmental effects and flow on into the weekend warrior.