Notice: We request that you don't just set up a new account at this time if you are a previous user.
If you used to be one of our moderators, please feel free to reach out to Chris via the facebook Outerlimits4x4 group and he will get you set back up with access should he need you.
Recovery:If you cannot access your old email address and don't remember your password, please click here to log a change of email address so you can do a password reset.

Hail damage

Tech Talk for Suzuki owners.

Moderators: lay80n, sierrajim

Post Reply
Posts: 5226
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2003 2:03 pm
Location: Sydney

Hail damage

Post by Squik »

Oscar copped hail damage across his bonnet, front guards and boot :cry:

I've had to remove stickers from his bonnet and front guards to get paintless dent removal looked at, and I'm left with a raised edge on the outline of the letters. I've used Prepsol to get all the glue off, but I've still got this edge.

Have I just peeled off the polish layers or am I going to have to do a full cut back?

Oscar will eventually be resprayed but this is a temporary measure for a few more months.
DRS smells like a cat-food milkshake... and wet socks... and gorgonzola cheese... all whizzed up in a blender
Posts: 3940
Joined: Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:09 pm
Location: Sunshine Coast Qld

Post by want33s »

Hit it with some 'Meguiars' Swirl remover. Should clean it up nicely.
Posts: 5226
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2003 2:03 pm
Location: Sydney

Post by Squik »

Ta... will grab some and give it a go :D
DRS smells like a cat-food milkshake... and wet socks... and gorgonzola cheese... all whizzed up in a blender
Posts: 2600
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:40 pm
Location: Townsville

Post by GRPABT1 »

This is why stickers don't belong on cars requiring re-sale, stick to using them on the glass bits.
Posts: 3513
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:52 am
Location: Perth, WA

Post by alien »

you can also buy stuff form supercheap called "orange" or something - its basically a citrus solution - sponge it onto the stickered area and let it sit a few seconds, then using your nail through a cloth it will scrape right off. I used it to take the glue off an entire window of my mazda after the tint peeled off and left the window all hazy... it took 10mins to clean and worked beautifully!!

Be sure to clean it with water after too cos it is a solvent.
The worst thing about censorship is ███████.
Posts: 5226
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2003 2:03 pm
Location: Sydney

Post by Squik »

The stickers came off ok, and the glue is all gone now.

Problem is the stickers that were on the guards have left a raised edge, as if someone had gone around the edges with a blade and cut them into the paint - which didn't happen.
There is a definate ridge around the outlines :?
DRS smells like a cat-food milkshake... and wet socks... and gorgonzola cheese... all whizzed up in a blender
Posts: 4792
Joined: Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:05 pm
Location: Watching out for stray buses

Post by Brendan-s »

Sounds like you need a proper cut and polish Squiko... if you use a proper polisher and the right stuff it'll heat the clear coat up and get it flowing into the scratches.
Posts: 5226
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2003 2:03 pm
Location: Sydney

Post by Squik »

....so you are volunteering then? :D :armsup:

Yeah... I've put a few coats of polish on it in the past... daresay I've lifted it :bad-words:
DRS smells like a cat-food milkshake... and wet socks... and gorgonzola cheese... all whizzed up in a blender
Posts: 736
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:32 pm
Location: brisbane

Post by gumtree »

maybe try some cut and polish. ive used it last week to get some crap from taking off stickers off my car. i also uded eucaliptus oil which is the same as that orange stuff.its wierd how its a raised edge, if anything ud think it would be a lower edge.
1993 LWB vitara, Front & Rear alloy bars, towbar, spotties, UHF.
Posts: 4792
Joined: Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:05 pm
Location: Watching out for stray buses

Post by Brendan-s »

Squik wrote:....so you are volunteering then? :D :armsup:

Yeah... I've put a few coats of polish on it in the past... daresay I've lifted it :bad-words:
Heh, no. Well, maybe, depends on the amount of beer involved... actually, nah :finger:

Getting the clearcoat to flow is all about heat, moreso than the actual cutting compound. That works to reduce friction so the paint isn't damaged, but it's the high speed spinning of the buffing wheel that heats the top coat up and lets it flow again. Just gotta be careful not to cut through the paint....
Posts: 5634
Joined: Sun May 08, 2005 10:07 pm
Location: diagonally parked in a parralell universe

Post by fool_injected »

4130warrior wrote:
Squik wrote:....so you are volunteering then? :D :armsup:

Yeah... I've put a few coats of polish on it in the past... daresay I've lifted it :bad-words:
Heh, no. Well, maybe, depends on the amount of beer involved... actually, nah :finger:
What are you thinking? You can't polish a car with beer :shock:
[url=http://www.4x4masters.com.au/]Australian 4X4 Masters Series website[/url]

non illegitimi carborundum!

[url=http://www.suzuki4wd.com.au/forum/]Suzuki 4wd Club of NSW forum[/url]
Posts: 16934
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2002 6:57 pm

Post by RUFF »

You need to give it a quick rub back with 40 grit sand paper. It should come up sweet then :armsup:
Posts: 16934
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2002 6:57 pm

Post by RUFF »

4130warrior wrote:
Squik wrote:....so you are volunteering then? :D :armsup:

Yeah... I've put a few coats of polish on it in the past... daresay I've lifted it :bad-words:
Heh, no. Well, maybe, depends on the amount of beer involved... actually, nah :finger:

Getting the clearcoat to flow is all about heat, moreso than the actual cutting compound. That works to reduce friction so the paint isn't damaged, but it's the high speed spinning of the buffing wheel that heats the top coat up and lets it flow again. Just gotta be careful not to cut through the paint....
So what happens if you use this "polish" on a 2 tone paint and it doesnt have clear? Will it mix the paint?
Posts: 3940
Joined: Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:09 pm
Location: Sunshine Coast Qld

Post by want33s »

4130warrior wrote:
Getting the clearcoat to flow is all about heat, moreso than the actual cutting compound. That works to reduce friction so the paint isn't damaged, but it's the high speed spinning of the buffing wheel that heats the top coat up and lets it flow again. Just gotta be careful not to cut through the paint....
Try telling this 'theory' to a spraypainter and you'll get laughed out of the workshop.
Posts: 16934
Joined: Sun Oct 20, 2002 6:57 pm

Post by RUFF »

want33s wrote:
4130warrior wrote:
Getting the clearcoat to flow is all about heat, moreso than the actual cutting compound. That works to reduce friction so the paint isn't damaged, but it's the high speed spinning of the buffing wheel that heats the top coat up and lets it flow again. Just gotta be careful not to cut through the paint....
Try telling this 'theory' to a spraypainter and you'll get laughed out of the workshop.
Dont argue with the guy who writes for 4wd monthly :roll:
Posts: 5226
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2003 2:03 pm
Location: Sydney

Post by Squik »

Yeah... whatever you read on Outers is gospel ;) ... especially anything Bogged finds :D
DRS smells like a cat-food milkshake... and wet socks... and gorgonzola cheese... all whizzed up in a blender
Posts: 3940
Joined: Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:09 pm
Location: Sunshine Coast Qld

Post by want33s »

How did you go Squik? I expect it's all fixed up by now?
Posts: 5226
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2003 2:03 pm
Location: Sydney

Post by Squik »

Most were removed but still some that will have to stay for the moment.

Nearly needed a *full* respray on Saturday at Son of Trials :D
DRS smells like a cat-food milkshake... and wet socks... and gorgonzola cheese... all whizzed up in a blender
Posts: 4792
Joined: Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:05 pm
Location: Watching out for stray buses

Post by Brendan-s »

want33s wrote:
4130warrior wrote:
Getting the clearcoat to flow is all about heat, moreso than the actual cutting compound. That works to reduce friction so the paint isn't damaged, but it's the high speed spinning of the buffing wheel that heats the top coat up and lets it flow again. Just gotta be careful not to cut through the paint....
Try telling this 'theory' to a spraypainter and you'll get laughed out of the workshop.
Whatever champ, I spent 2 boring years polishing bloody cars at an auctioneers for 10 hrs a day and it works to get small scratches out. Yes cutting compound removes oxidisation/crows feet but do you think it magically paints over scratches or something? :roll:
Posts: 3940
Joined: Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:09 pm
Location: Sunshine Coast Qld

Post by want33s »

4130warrior wrote:
want33s wrote:
4130warrior wrote:
Getting the clearcoat to flow is all about heat, moreso than the actual cutting compound. That works to reduce friction so the paint isn't damaged, but it's the high speed spinning of the buffing wheel that heats the top coat up and lets it flow again. Just gotta be careful not to cut through the paint....
Try telling this 'theory' to a spraypainter and you'll get laughed out of the workshop.
Whatever champ, I spent 2 boring years polishing bloody cars at an auctioneers for 10 hrs a day and it works to get small scratches out. Yes cutting compound removes oxidisation/crows feet but do you think it magically paints over scratches or something? :roll:
Don't get me wrong "Champ" .. No offence but you might have polished lots of cars but that doesn't mean you understand how the processes work.
Cutting won't polish.
Polish won't remove scratches.
Cutting compound doesn't "magically" do anything, it removes the paint/clear surrounding the scratch so the bottom of the scratch is the same height as the rest.
The buff pad is there to carry the fine abrasive cutting compound which removes the surface of the paint/clear. There is no heating or flowing of paint/clear at all (if done properly), you can easily melt the paint/clear if you hold the buff still for too long. Melt the paint/clear and impurities will get trapped and it won't be clear any more.
The speed of the pad doesn't make much difference to the end result but it does save a lot of time.
A car can be cut back by hand and come up just as well and unless you are bionic your hand isn't as fast as a buff.
NO AMOUNT of "Polish" will remove scratches. It will however leave a layer of wax or silicone that will seal the surface and give a shine.
Hope this makes it a bit 'clearer'.
Posts: 4792
Joined: Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:05 pm
Location: Watching out for stray buses

Post by Brendan-s »

sorry I shouldn't have responded little a spoilt little teenager (seriously, who uses the word 'whatever'? :roll: i don't even use it in real life...) thank you for taking the time to post that info. I just got put on the back foot as your previous post wasn't exactly constructive. then mr axe-to-grind got off pirate long enough to do a bit of trolling and it shit me. oh well thats life, like I said, sorry for being a smartarse and thanks for posting the correct info.
Posts: 5226
Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2003 2:03 pm
Location: Sydney

Post by Squik »

Uh... it did actually work to a degree in removing the lip :D
DRS smells like a cat-food milkshake... and wet socks... and gorgonzola cheese... all whizzed up in a blender
Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest