winch advice

[ferozious]

G'day all, am wondering about the size of winch recommended for a Feroza? Going by all the info I can find on here I am thinking about pulling power of about 2 times the weight of what I would need to pull. The main problem is working out how much I would need to pull

I mean I am mainly considering this as a self recovery tool, and as such the light weight of the Roza and the reality that I won't be bogging it up to th windows in clay anytime soon come into play.

Saying all this, don't want something that couldn't help out another wheeler in a time of need either.

Cheers in advance, Ben.

[MightyMouse]

Also depends on how seriously bogged you are - if your up to the sills in mud then vehicle weight has nothing to do with it...

I have a 9500lb lowmount.

Don't forget electrical system is also important - your not going far with a stock battery and alternator.

[meece4x4]

I have a Chinese Runva 5000lb winch on mine and always run it with a snatch block to give it that little bit extra pull, standard alternator and heavy duty battery, Ive pulled a couple of stuck zooks out of the mud with it, havnt had to pull my own out of the mud *yet* but it will snap off a 4 inch diameter fence post at ground level oh and recovered a boyracer BMW 510 out of the ditch when he missed the corner.

I personally think that a 5000lb is the smallest you should even bother mounting on a small 4x4, unfortuantly the price difference (in NZ) between a 5000lb and a 9000lb winch is almost double, so cost was the determinaning factor why i mounted a 5000lb one. however My Feroza weighs in on a weighbridge at a lightweight 1150kg's with half a tank of gas and me sitting in it (one advantage of being a skinny beanpole)

the 5000lb (approx 2000kg) winch + almost another 800 odd kg by using a snatch block gives me about 1650kg of pulling power over the gross weight of my Fez...

[MightyMouse]

Just for interest sake meece how much was your winch ?

From memory mine was around $750(Au)

One of the advantages IMO of a larger motor capacity is the higher line speed as well as the obvious gain in pulling power.

Pics are a bit ancient now ( before "stuff" happened ) - and its CLEAN !

[ferozious]

Thanks for the info guys, some good food for thought for the winch project.....my only fear is that if I have the ability to get myself out of trouble more, that I will be keener to get into the trouble in the first place

[MightyMouse]

And forwards isn't always the direction you want to go - I also carry a hand winch.

[meece4x4]

And forwards isn't always the direction you want to go - I also carry a hand winch.

the 5000lb Runva winch cost me $650NZ ... the 9500lb was $1100, course every man and his dog are importing them now and the prices have dropped.
as we are trying to get together enough assets to buy a 20 ha block of land and start up a public 4wd park at the end of this year my 4x4 budget has been slashed to almost nothing

and ditto to the hand winch, so far all thats been used for is pulling the bumper off the wheel of snotted work rodeo

The Runva winches are slow, (very especially when your running it through a snatch block) noisy and have a couple of small issues, the main one is the winch itself is built well and of high quality, but the plastic box that contains the relay and on/off switch is cheap and nasty, it's designed to sit on top of the winch but is so badly made water can easly get in, as i discovered only last weekend when i wanted to use the winch to remove a fencepost (it's main purpose it seems these days) and found out it didnt work,

discovered on stripping it down that water had got into the plastic box and corroded the cheap crappy on/off switch, ive since bypast the the switch and mounted the relay under the engine bay where hopefully it wont get quite as wet there.

[MightyMouse]

Wow - a 4x4 park - that sounds fantastic.

If it wan't for the fact that the Mouse can't swim and its a bit far to drive - i'd be over in a shot.

I reworked my sols and installed them under the bonnet - hasn't been a problem so far but must admit the original box was rubbish.
Also stops potential vandals damaging your car.

[kemal]

hey mighty mouse what sort of bar do you have? whats it made of etc.
?

[nebivedu]

I have military 8000Lb Mile Marker. Slow but works in any condition.

[MightyMouse]

hey mighty mouse what sort of bar do you have? whats it made of etc.
?

Um - its a "came with the car" ( not very useful am I ? ) and its aluminum.

Its got no manufacturers markings on it at all - but its definitely made for the car.

[pigletracing]

have 8000pnd high mount fast & strong WARN

[kemal]

i thought i was alloy i have ann alloy bar and when i asked about winches , i got told not to put a winch with an alloy bar because there not strong enough? did you just built brackets to hold it to the chassis? and only the fairlead is attached to the bar?,

[MightyMouse]

You can see the steel cradle that is attached to the chassis in the pic



From memory there are something like 10 x 10mm high tensile bolts involved holding the cradle to the chassis. The winch is bolted to the cradle from the rear.

The cross pieces are 50x25mm thick wall section RHS with 25mm machined, flanged crush sleeves fully welded both sides into the tube.

The cross pieces are also braced to the end plates ( 6mm plate ).

Even if I say so myself the brackets from the chassis to the bar and cradle are a masterpiece of odd angles.

The bar simply covers the winch ( as can be seen in the other pic ) and holds the Fairlead,

[kemal]

thats fucking awesome man good work you build it all your self

[meece4x4]

You can see the steel cradle that is attached to the chassis in the pic



From memory there are something like 10 x 10mm high tensile bolts involved holding the cradle to the chassis. The winch is bolted to the cradle from the rear.

The cross pieces are 50x25mm thick wall section RHS with 25mm machined, flanged crush sleeves fully welded both sides into the tube.

The cross pieces are also braced to the end plates ( 6mm plate ).

Even if I say so myself the brackets from the chassis to the bar and cradle are a masterpiece of odd angles.

The bar simply covers the winch ( as can be seen in the other pic ) and holds the Fairlead,

thats my biggest Bitch with the Daihatsu's .. the designer obvously thought no one would ever want to hang anything of the noses of them .. they have f%$kall in the way of mounting points for ANYTHING!