most economical 4x4 diesel under 30k that can tow easliy

[mikeyoda]

What is it?
I need to tow 2 ton and the paj 2.8tdi uses about 16litres per 100 towing at 100-110 kph, given diesel cost is there a more economical diesel out there?

its get around 12 -14 liters per 100ks with out a load

Just came back from Broken hill and got between 15.5 and worst 18 per 100.

Given $1.60 per liter it costs $140 to fill for 550klms or so!
There must be a better cheaper diesel.


What are GU's or prado's like on the juice?

Any recommendations?
Thanks guys!

[-Scott-]

What is it?
I need to tow 2 ton and the paj 2.8tdi uses about 16litres per 100 towing at 100-110 kph, given diesel cost is there a more economical diesel out there?

My V6 shorty can use that much (OK, 115 into a headwind with the aircon on...)

its get around 12 -14 liters per 100ks with out a load

This is a red flag. Unloaded, at 100-110, that's what I get - with 33s. I suspect your engine isn't 100%

Anyway, I don't know that a GU would do much better (unless you want the grenade?) I believe Prado diesel economy is pretty good, but the 3.0 td is pretty dated by modern standards (still an improvement on Mitsi's 2.8). The newer Prado diesels are good, but I doubt you'd get one for $30k?

When we crossed the Simpson in '06 the Rodeo TD (Isuzu motor) had excellent economy - used 65 litres to my 95. Beat the Prado and N/A 80 series quite convincingly too.

Other vehicles:

The Paj 3.2DiD is much better than the 2.8 for power and economy, but I suspect they're only just entering your price range.

Look at the LandRover tdi range - even the 2.5 has similar performance to the 2.8 you have, and runs rings around it for economy. But I don't know much about reliability etc.

The LandCruiser 4.2 multivalve td has superb grunt, would easily tow anything you're towing with your Paj, but I have NFI about economy.

I guess you need to do some test driving.

[badger]

1hdft 80 series auto

[Loanrangie]

1hdft 80 series auto

yeah right



Disco, defender, isuzu county

[coxy321]

I'll sell you my GQ for under $30k. How's $29,995 sound? It tows good, and is cheap on fuel.....

[mikeyoda]

bargain, I may have passed you today around Ouyen, white GQ is it. sorry I cant stand doing 100 klm hour in a 110 zone.....

Have been doin some more reading and I think the PAj is not too bad considering what I have come across.

I'll sell you my GQ for under $30k. How's $29,995 sound? It tows good, and is cheap on fuel.....

[defmec]

defender on biodiesel

[macca81]

3l turbo diesel surf. happily sits on 120kph while towing 1.5tonne trailer, does 110kph with 2.5tonne and ill still pass that smartarse in the falcorolladoor that thinks hes shit hot

[coxy321]

bargain, I may have passed you today around Ouyen, white GQ is it. sorry I cant stand doing 100 klm hour in a 110 zone.....

Not me, mine spends its time parked up. Its just a weekender.

If you want cheap reliable power, i reckon a Nissan or Toyota 4.2 turbo diesel, and LPG for the extra economy and to help haul the loads. Just my opinion though. I reckon bigger engines/more cylinders make for lighter work, and it'll sit on your 110km/h.

Coxy

[pongo]

bargain, I may have passed you today around Ouyen, white GQ is it. sorry I cant stand doing 100 klm hour in a 110 zone.....

Have been doin some more reading and I think the PAj is not too bad considering what I have come across.

I'll sell you my GQ for under $30k. How's $29,995 sound? It tows good, and is cheap on fuel.....

Yep, go slower and use less fuel, esp when towing.

My patrol gets as bad as 22l/100km If i run on the govener in 5th gear.

BUt when i pay 14-22c/litre it doesnt matter. I had to put diesel in it the other day and i was driving worse than an old granny in a b-double.

[Daisy]

I dont think you can put good fuel figures and towing easily in the same sentence for under 30k.

If its power you're after... you cant beat v8's in towing power.

earlier model f-trucks v8s on LPG or Landrover discovery v8's on LPG will do the job really well.

[Mark2]

Even if you find something a fair bit better on fuel, by the time you factor in the changeover costs, it will take a long time to get your money back.

[midi73]

bargain, I may have passed you today around Ouyen, white GQ is it. sorry I cant stand doing 100 klm hour in a 110 zone.....

Have been doin some more reading and I think the PAj is not too bad considering what I have come across.

I'll sell you my GQ for under $30k. How's $29,995 sound? It tows good, and is cheap on fuel.....

Yep, go slower and use less fuel, esp when towing.

My patrol gets as bad as 22l/100km If i run on the govener in 5th gear.

BUt when i pay 14-22c/litre it doesnt matter. I had to put diesel in it the other day and i was driving worse than an old granny in a b-double.

Being a B Double driver from way back, that is a bloody horrible thought. That is an idea though. Try and fit a cummins signature motor in (tongue in cheek) Lol. 620 horses, you would be able to tow 2 tonne in 5th gear at idle.
Seriously though I agree with the people saying bigger motors that dont work as much. With no load smaller is going to be more eco, but with a load I believe more torque (particullarly) and more power with taller gearing is going to help with fuel economy. If you can get the balance between power and gearing so you can spend most of your journey with the engine cruising instead of working hard, then I think you are going to save on fuel.
A point in case is, many years ago we did a 400k round trip in 2 cars. One was a 308 HQ with very tall gearing, the other was a very economical 121 mazda. We did this trip quite fast with some spurts of, "Well lets see what this thing will do", the 121 tried keeping up all the way. at the end of that trip the 121 actually cost about 50% more than the 308. another example is a friend who put a chev v8 into his old 45 troopy, because he was doing regular trips to ST george from the Sunny coast. He knocked about 20% off his fuel bill.
We also found that the trucks at work that were opened up to 580 or 600 horses were more economical than the ones at 520 to 550 horses. So on the open road with loads I think bigger and with balanced gearing is better.
My pick would be a turbo diesel 80 with gas injection.

[KiwiBacon]

A patrol or landcruiser with a 4.2 is going to be drinking more than 12L/100km empty.
Doesn't really qualify as economical unless you need to tow as much as the vehicle weighs.

Direct injection diesels are more economical than indirect injection. Up to 20% more economical. They also have a much stronger head design.
A manual gearbox would also make a lot more sense and save fuel too.

[badger]

yes a 1hdft 80 will get 12/100 empty but it will prob only go up to 14/100 loaded and you would hardly kno its there

[mikeyoda]

Thanks for the replies. I think I will stick with what I have , reason being by comparo it now doesn't seem too bad. I have a friend who has a 80 series and I thought of a change, but he still uses more than me towing.

I am not a lead foot , so I guess now if you see a red tdi Paj smile and wave as you pass me, I will be the slow one trying to get more out of the tank..........

[macca81]

A patrol or landcruiser with a 4.2 is going to be drinking more than 12L/100km empty.
Doesn't really qualify as economical unless you need to tow as much as the vehicle weighs.

Direct injection diesels are more economical than indirect injection. Up to 20% more economical. They also have a much stronger head design.
A manual gearbox would also make a lot more sense and save fuel too.

actualy, indirect injection s more economical, direct injection is more powerfull.


towing 2 tonne is about what the vehicle weighs, so it does qualify as economical

[-Scott-]

A patrol or landcruiser with a 4.2 is going to be drinking more than 12L/100km empty.
Doesn't really qualify as economical unless you need to tow as much as the vehicle weighs.

Direct injection diesels are more economical than indirect injection. Up to 20% more economical. They also have a much stronger head design.
A manual gearbox would also make a lot more sense and save fuel too.

actualy, indirect injection s more economical, direct injection is more powerfull.

I thought "quiet" was the only significant benefit of indirect injection.

When the 2.8 Paj was introduced it was compared with a 2.5 Disco. The disco had similar performance and better economy, which was attributed (in part) to the Paj being indirect and the Disco direct - I thought.

[KiwiBacon]

A patrol or landcruiser with a 4.2 is going to be drinking more than 12L/100km empty.
Doesn't really qualify as economical unless you need to tow as much as the vehicle weighs.

Direct injection diesels are more economical than indirect injection. Up to 20% more economical. They also have a much stronger head design.
A manual gearbox would also make a lot more sense and save fuel too.

actualy, indirect injection s more economical, direct injection is more powerfull.

Nope, direct injection is more economical. Look up some fuel consumption charts and you can clearly see which engines are better.
Most IDI engines can't do better than 240g of diesel per kwh.
A good DI engine can do under 200g of diesel for the same output.

The best IDI engines I've seen plots for are within about 5% of the fuel consumption of an equivalent DI engine (compare Isuzu 4LE1 with 4LE2 and 4BD1T with 4BD2T). But the IDI engines are always the losers.

Common rail engines are all direct injection.

[badger]

arent all the 1hd series yota motors direct injected?

i kno the nissans wont compete for econamy but im pretty sure at the end of the day the cruiser will be even with a td5 or similar especially once loaded

ps i actually do like rovers just think the lack the low down power to tow what they r rated to tow

[defmec]

lack of low down power .a bloke in cairns has 190kw in a td5 disco /remapped ecu/big ass inter cooler

[-Scott-]

lack of low down power .a bloke in cairns has 190kw in a td5 disco /remapped ecu/big ass inter cooler

190kW at what rpm? Is it "low down"?

[badger]

so what if they can make 190kw............. they wont even touch the econamy of my old gq at that power and as scott said at what revs, i doubt it has any more power than standard where it counts for towing.

plus if i was buying a 30k tow vehicle id want something more reliable than a modded td5. dont they have issues with keeping the heads in the right spot stock.

once again im not hateing rovers just being realistic he said tow vehicle not comfortable economical mid sized truck

[midi73]

A patrol or landcruiser with a 4.2 is going to be drinking more than 12L/100km empty.
Doesn't really qualify as economical unless you need to tow as much as the vehicle weighs.

Direct injection diesels are more economical than indirect injection. Up to 20% more economical. They also have a much stronger head design.
A manual gearbox would also make a lot more sense and save fuel too.

actualy, indirect injection s more economical, direct injection is more powerfull.


towing 2 tonne is about what the vehicle weighs, so it does qualify as economical

Dont know where you get your info from, but it is common knowledge that direct is far more economical than indirect. Cant say that I ever see an indirect cat or cummins, and the manufacturers dont update from an indirect motor to a direct motor so that they loose economy. You cant tell me that an efi is less economical than a carby. Goes without saying that they operate more efficiantly.

[Bingham]

my gu that is for sale in the vehicles for sale section 31 ono but bring a check for 29 and it is yours tows effortlessly and pretty good on juice

mark o439520744

[KiwiBacon]

lack of low down power .a bloke in cairns has 190kw in a td5 disco /remapped ecu/big ass inter cooler

190kW at what rpm? Is it "low down"?

The 190kw part is never going to be "low down". But it'll have a serious amount of torque to be producing that amount of power. Unless it's had a ludicrous turbo fitted I'd expect more torque at 2000rpm than your average TD42T or 1HD.

[j-top paj]

why not drop a 4m41 into the paj?

[dudnavara]

not sure if you wanted to stick to a wagon or not.. you didnt stay
But my d22 navara gets 10-11 litres 100k empty
dont think it changes much no matter how i drive..
Only had a tonne behind and no probs at 100k.

Has plenty of torque for towing..... especially with a dtronic fitted...
Thats my 2c!