why do people pick on gmh/isuzu?

[damo13]

hey whats doin? this weekend went on a bucks night weekend camping trip up at landcruiser park with some mates with a few 4b4's like a 80 series a jacked up tough 75 series a big 4 runner and my tf rodeo we hit the pig pen i done just about all of it the 80 done the same as me the other two done stuff all fair enough some people dont like the mud and water so we went to hit some hills went up airlocker ave same again the 80 and rodeo all the way i all most rolled the rodeo cos wanted to do it got back to the camp site where i copped it for owning a rodeo but i had hit more hills, mud and water{most i tried in 2 wheel befor i went 4wheel} than the 75 and 4runner. whats everyones problems with our kind of 4x4 they are then a capable 4x4 i thought. whats your opinion?

[rainsey]

Damo13,

Been there done that and likewise have been bagged out big time. All comes down to a willy wacking competition. If you don't have a Landcruiser or a Nissan you are not considered a credable 4WD.

I admit that I cannot tackle the biggest stuff, mainly because of ground clearance, in my TF.. but... I have tackled places like Danials Ln in the Wattagans and had the privelidge of snatching a GU out of trouble.... I know my vehicle is not as useless as it is made out to be. To date I have not had to be saved yet.... then again i think I know where my limits are.

Bottom line is that it is those with the higly modded vehicles that are the biggest critics and it is usually those very people that use sheer brute force to get where they have have to go. Likewise it is quite often these same people that totally stuff up the tracks making the less capable vehicles unable to use them any more.

As an example, after working on a track with the club I am in, one of the guys in a very modded 80 used for comp tried out the track and, totally f..ked it with his agressive style, locked diffs and massive rubber and way too much right boot. He finnaly got up. Another guy after him, with good technich and patience got up first time in a slightlyly modded IFS Pajero. My case rests. Sort of turned me off the club I am in.

Get used to it mate.. while that mentality is out there you will never beat it.

Cheers

Rainsey

[damo13]

rainsey, i intend to push my truck to the limits just to prove that it can run with the big boys (nissan toyota) never give up never give in thats my moto

[_RYAN_]

hey whats doin? this weekend went on a bucks night weekend camping trip up at landcruiser park with some mates with a few 4b4's like a 80 series a jacked up tough 75 series a big 4 runner and my tf rodeo we hit the pig pen i done just about all of it the 80 done the same as me the other two done stuff all fair enough some people dont like the mud and water so we went to hit some hills went up airlocker ave same again the 80 and rodeo all the way i all most rolled the rodeo cos wanted to do it got back to the camp site where i copped it for owning a rodeo but i had hit more hills, mud and water{most i tried in 2 wheel befor i went 4wheel} than the 75 and 4runner. whats everyones problems with our kind of 4x4 they are then a capable 4x4 i thought. whats your opinion?

I wouldnt be comparing your rodeo to the 75 from one weekend trip out to cruiser park....
I dare say that the owner of the 75 was not really interested in plowing through mud nor trying to roll his truck just to prove somthing....
Ive wittnessed 1st hand just how "capable" the 75 is, send a PM to cozzaV8 the former owner of the 75 and see if he has any pics of it scraping sill on BIG-RED or the like.
Also the "big 4runner" your refering to is about as capable as a wooden spoon.

[Guzzi]

Damo,
The Rodeo will go roughly 85% of the places the big boys will go, its the last 15% that require the big lifts, big tyres, lockers,crawler gears and CDF (common dog f***).
The rodeo is a good truck for what it is and is probably as or more capable of any of the new release utes that all have IFS.

Also remember as you "push your truck to the limits" Isuzu are the ones who taught Toyota how to charge for spare parts.

[chikoroll_]

be sure to bag them out about taking the handicap

women take the closer T at the golfcourse yes?
retards take the headstart in the swimming yes?

just the same as idiots giving 6" lifts, 35" muddies, and everything else to their vehicle, whilst still doing the same tracks as everyone else.....

what is the point of 4x4ing to you?
to me it is the challenge
so why would i want the "most capable truck"
capable = no challenge
no challenge = no bragging rights
no bragging rights = retard factor
retard factor = SUV

highly modded trucks on normal tracks are therefore as useless as a pretend 4x4

[damo13]

hey chikoroll, i do like the challenge but i dont like being told that i cant do something when i no i can give it a bloody good shoot and no one can give you shit for trying.

[chikoroll_]

admittedly, a lift would help at a time like this.... but that's what the loud pedal or chicken track is for anyway

[DEK44]

be sure to bag them out about taking the handicap

women take the closer T at the golfcourse yes?
retards take the headstart in the swimming yes?

just the same as idiots giving 6" lifts, 35" muddies, and everything else to their vehicle, whilst still doing the same tracks as everyone else.....

what is the point of 4x4ing to you?
to me it is the challenge
so why would i want the "most capable truck"
capable = no challenge
no challenge = no bragging rights
no bragging rights = retard factor
retard factor = SUV

highly modded trucks on normal tracks are therefore as useless as a pretend 4x4

love it mate. too true

[_RYAN_]

ryan ,if the 75 is so tough why did he only start to drive it hard when he had a few rums? i did not try to show off i just wanted a challange and as for the 75 it did not snatch me out of any where as i remember the rodeo snatched the 75. what about all the other times too mate when me and the rodeo have not backed down from any challange so far and i will hit big red and telacom hill for the challange and the bragging rights too{ never give up never give in}

[/quote]

If i remember the weekend correctly, you were drinking all the way out to cruiser so your alcoholic courage would have been well and truly kicked in. You also state that you did all of the pig pen?? you did a few laps around the outside (so did the 75), you didnt go anywhere near the centre pits even though quite a few people were asking you to give it a go? You said "NO", talk about pushing the limits....
You also state you did all these hills that the 75 couldnt? I must have fallen asleep cause i dont remember the 75 getting stuck on any hill. In fact the 1st hill you did that required a small amount of suspention travel resulted in you screaming for people to jump on the back of your rodeo cause it was about to roll..
You mention having to snatch the 75? was it stuck? bogged?? no, its friggin sub-tank dropped out! Ive lost count of the amount of times your rodeo had to be snatched out whilst 4x4 either at woodford or elimba. I still remember the puddle that you were stuck in whilst out 4x4in by yourself. I could go all day but i say let the good people of outerlimits decied, i say an unoffical GMH vs toyota challange. Eveything from hills to mud/water. I will film it all and post the footage.

[damo13]

18[quote]yeah i did ask mates jump on the back to keep it from going over but you say i bit of travel one of the blokes is 180 cm tall and my back step at his fore head on the video {ill put on soon} so what do you call a small bit of travel? the 75 went back down the easy way didnt even give it a go at all !!!!! as for the pig pen i missed two holes sorry still more then the 75 {video to come}and what was the 75 reason for not doing the pen no snorkel but its a diesel!!!! my rodeo is not its just 2.6 pet so why give me shit when the rodeo weht a lot harder. as for the piss making me do it i go out all the time and hit shit other trucks wont. and i get stuck cos i try i dont look for the easy way out

[_RYAN_]

18

yeah i did ask mates jump on the back to keep it from going over but you say i bit of travel one of the blokes is 180 cm tall and my back step at his fore head on the video {ill put on soon} so what do you call a small bit of travel? the 75 went back down the easy way didnt even give it a go at all !!!!! as for the pig pen i missed two holes sorry still more then the 75 {video to come}and what was the 75 reason for not doing the pen no snorkel but its a diesel!!!! my rodeo is not its just 2.6 pet so why give me shit when the rodeo weht a lot harder. as for the piss making me do it i go out all the time and hit shit other trucks wont. and i get stuck cos i try i dont look for the easy way out

HAHAHA, calm down...i say you get a ribbing of people not for owning a rodeo, its because you get worked up over it. You could own the tuffest truck in the world and myself and chris would still take the piss out of it...its nothing to get worked up over, its all in good fun.

[damo13]

[damo13]

[_RYAN_]

Lets try and keep it on topic...

[damo13]

that sounds like a good idea mate sorry about the other shit mate

[_RYAN_]

that sounds like a good idea mate sorry about the other shit mate

No worries, its all in good fun....

[chikoroll_]

ryan ,if the 75 is so tough why did he only start to drive it hard when he had a few rums? i did not try to show off i just wanted a challange and as for the 75 it did not snatch me out of any where as i remember the rodeo snatched the 75. what about all the other times too mate when me and the rodeo have not backed down from any challange so far and i will hit big red and telacom hill for the challange and the bragging rights too{ never give up never give in}

If i remember the weekend correctly, you were drinking all the way out to cruiser so your alcoholic courage would have been well and truly kicked in. You also state that you did all of the pig pen?? you did a few laps around the outside (so did the 75), you didnt go anywhere near the centre pits even though quite a few people were asking you to give it a go? You said "NO", talk about pushing the limits....
You also state you did all these hills that the 75 couldnt? I must have fallen asleep cause i dont remember the 75 getting stuck on any hill. In fact the 1st hill you did that required a small amount of suspention travel resulted in you screaming for people to jump on the back of your rodeo cause it was about to roll..
You mention having to snatch the 75? was it stuck? bogged?? no, its friggin sub-tank dropped out! Ive lost count of the amount of times your rodeo had to be snatched out whilst 4x4 either at woodford or elimba. I still remember the puddle that you were stuck in whilst out 4x4in by yourself. I could go all day but i say let the good people of outerlimits decied, i say an unoffical GMH vs toyota challange. Eveything from hills to mud/water. I will film it all and post the footage.[/quote]

stock standard only, and i'm in

[damo13]

im keen as. bring it on

[v840]

what is the point of 4x4ing to you?
to me it is the challenge
so why would i want the "most capable truck"
capable = no challenge
no challenge = no bragging rights
no bragging rights = retard factor
retard factor = SUV

highly modded trucks on normal tracks are therefore as useless as a pretend 4x4

I actually typed out a big long reply about how truly stupid this statement is then I decided against posting it as I really think that it would go straight over your head.

You do realise this is a hardcore offroad forum right? Why the fark would I want to drive easy shit? Im glad you enjoy it but I find trails that an IFS stocker can handle about as exciting Amanda Vanstone in a mankini.

[chikoroll_]

what is the point of 4x4ing to you?
to me it is the challenge
so why would i want the "most capable truck"
capable = no challenge
no challenge = no bragging rights
no bragging rights = retard factor
retard factor = SUV

highly modded trucks on normal tracks are therefore as useless as a pretend 4x4

I actually typed out a big long reply about how truly stupid this statement is then I decided against posting it as I really think that it would go straight over your head.

You do realise this is a hardcore offroad forum right? Why the fark would I want to drive easy shit? Im glad you enjoy it but I find trails that an IFS stocker can handle about as exciting Amanda Vanstone in a mankini.

don't lie, you thought about typing out a big long reply, but before you started you said screw it
most of these regular posters are FOS too, this may be a "hardcore" forum, but less than a quarter even know what "hardcore" is
sure if you build up your rig for necessity, it is a good thing... but if you build it up because you "might" damage it before, then you have no real reason

-please, post your reasons for upgrading bigtime

deep ruts? throw a wheel on the sides, steer properly, and use a bit more speed, even if the front wheels are up on the sides, and back in the ruts you can drag yourself up aslong as keep the revs up

bottoming out? more speed

can't make it over that rock? crab walk the start, then turn uphill

traction? get mud tyres


yea, things break easier.... but it's still doable, and the challenge is still there- the whole point of it in the first place

challenge in 35's is just as much fun as challenge in 29's the only difference is it appears harder when you get out of the vehicle

[v840]

The only way I can think to explain it is imagine taking your tuck on one of the tuff truck courses. You wouldnt get very far would you?

The point is, to drive the tracks I like, you need mods. Its not a posing thing, its physics. Im not too sure where you get that I am FOS because of that.

I have to admit, I no longer drive much of anything except rocks but trust me, you simply cannot "crabwalk the start and turn uphill" in about 95% of situations. Why do you think every single competitior in 4wd competitions run oversize tyres?

Again, if you find enough challenge in pushing a stock 4wd as far as it can go then that is kool and the gang, I just prefer a different brand of whimsy, thats all.

Seriously, If you honestly think i can get by on driving ability alone, then please feel free to come to Sydney and we'll go for a wheel and have this conversation again.

Impressive driving is not limited to stock cars.

don't lie, you thought about typing out a big long reply, but before you started you said screw it

Almost, my stupid computer crashed again.

[chikoroll_]

i see where you are coming from, but what i am getting at is that when you take in the fact that the harder tracks need a highly modified 4x4, then the actual challenge in the task is still the same as the stocko doing the medium-hard tracks
the only difference being that the highly modified rig gives a better show

if you want real fun, take a commodore onto the tracks

[v840]

Fair enough. Its just that driving a 20 degree slope in a stocker and driving an 80 degree slope in a modded may well be the same level of difficulty and require the same amount of driver skill, but one is a whole lot more fun (to me at least) than the other.

Again, not knocking either one. its simply a case of different strokes for different folks. I should interject however that building a 4wd up to take on the A grade tracks is half the fun for me.

[chikoroll_]

80degree, now THAT is something i want to see

for some reason i see a stocker doing that angle safer than a lifted truck (centre of balance being closer to the deck with less arse end sag, so less chance of flipping backwards....)....only problem would be the peak of it.... when a bit of oompf would be needed to get airborne on the crest to make for the lack of ramp-over

[Pissboy]

We have two Rodeos, 2004 & 2007 dual cabs. Great cars for what we need them for, which is towing the van, beach work, Tradesmans hack & fencing etc on our property. None of our mates bag them as we & they know their limitations.

We also have a modded 92 coil cab (which has been in the family since new) which used to do all of the above as well, and I know which vehicle I would prefer to take out wheeling.

[cloughy]

i see where you are coming from, but what i am getting at is that when you take in the fact that the harder tracks need a highly modified 4x4, then the actual challenge in the task is still the same as the stocko doing the medium-hard tracks
the only difference being that the highly modified rig gives a better show

if you want real fun, take a commodore onto the tracks

Is that a "straight six" or V6

[chikoroll_]

i see where you are coming from, but what i am getting at is that when you take in the fact that the harder tracks need a highly modified 4x4, then the actual challenge in the task is still the same as the stocko doing the medium-hard tracks
the only difference being that the highly modified rig gives a better show

if you want real fun, take a commodore onto the tracks

Is that a "straight six" or V6

both

[Juzjen]

Hi all
Every person that I have met that has another kind of 4 X 4 and sees that I have a Jackaroo tell me that all Jackaroo's do is pass everything but a service station.

[chikoroll_]

well it won't pass the servo unless you have a long range tank (i'm on 20L/100km's)