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HHO kit - anyone investigated or installed
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HHO kit - anyone investigated or installed
Hi - anyone done the HHO kit for their vehicle. Im looking into it and it seems like a vialble idea. There must be someone else out there that has looked into it and ossibly installed it.
comments both kind and nasty are welcome.im after the truth, not something to waste my money on
Dan
comments both kind and nasty are welcome.im after the truth, not something to waste my money on
Dan
91 SWB GQ 4.2P / LPG, Extractos, 2.5" Exh, 2" Susp lift, uhf tx4400, lightforce 240 blits, boring old 31" rubbers
search water for gas on the internet, you will find a lot of information
i was wondering if anyone on this site has fitted a Hydrogen generator or knows someone who has fitted one
thanks in advance
Dan
i was wondering if anyone on this site has fitted a Hydrogen generator or knows someone who has fitted one
thanks in advance
Dan
91 SWB GQ 4.2P / LPG, Extractos, 2.5" Exh, 2" Susp lift, uhf tx4400, lightforce 240 blits, boring old 31" rubbers
love_mud wrote:di-hydrogen monoxide .. stuff should be banned.
a bit of info on HHO systems
http://flapdoodledinghy.com/HHO_generator.html
Inline with a hiclone and an electric turbo .. would be the go.
I cant see how such a tiny quantity of hydrogen would make a lick of difference to your vehicles performance.
I may be wron, pls let us know if you do it and how it pans out for you.
I cant see how such a tiny quantity of hydrogen would make a lick of difference to your vehicles performance.
I may be wron, pls let us know if you do it and how it pans out for you.
" If governments are involved in the covering up the knowledge of aliens, Then they are doing a much better job of it than they do of everything else "
I can't find anything in there about his MPG before or afterwards.tweak'e wrote:love_mud wrote:di-hydrogen monoxide .. stuff should be banned.
a bit of info on HHO systems
http://flapdoodledinghy.com/HHO_generator.html
He does state that the vacuum at idle has increased, but given it was a freshly rebuilt engine that's still running in, that's completely expected.
Kiwis H2O is water HHO is still a form of Oxyhydrogen the same chemical compound as water but the molecular structure is different.KiwiBacon wrote:HHO is water for people who failed chemistry and want to rip off all the other people who failed chemistry.shorty_f0rty wrote:WTF is a HHO kit cos i have NFI!!
please explain?
At least a Hiclone doesn't wear out your alternator.
A pure stoichiometric mixture is most easily obtained by water electrolysis, which uses an electric current to dissociate the water molecules:
electrolysis: 2 H2O → 2 H2 + O2
combustion: 2 H2 + O2 → 2 H2O
The energy required to generate the oxyhydrogen always exceeds the energy released by combusting it
Kind Regards,
Brad
Brad
there was a bit mentioned on it. basicly it was small and due to how finicky the system is, straight water injection makes more gains.KiwiBacon wrote:I can't find anything in there about his MPG before or afterwards.tweak'e wrote:love_mud wrote:di-hydrogen monoxide .. stuff should be banned.
a bit of info on HHO systems
http://flapdoodledinghy.com/HHO_generator.html
He does state that the vacuum at idle has increased, but given it was a freshly rebuilt engine that's still running in, that's completely expected.
from straight hydrogen it wouldn't be enough to be worth. what i didn't factor in was the oxygen part. pure oxygen displaceing the air means overall increase in oxygen which equals more burn so to speak.
however i suspect if you pour enough in to get it to help the petrol to burn you will probley burn the valves out. you can get better economy on any motor by advancing ignition and running it lean but motor won't last long.
I had a look at my brother inlaws petrol hilux fitted with a ''hydrobooster'' on the weekend.
It runs 25% hydrogen in his deticated lpg system. He says he gets an extra 120kms out of a tank full of gas, with the same power as petrol. Its a very simple system which takes up hardly any room.
Cheers den
It runs 25% hydrogen in his deticated lpg system. He says he gets an extra 120kms out of a tank full of gas, with the same power as petrol. Its a very simple system which takes up hardly any room.
Cheers den
89 st wagon, 4.2 turbo, top mount intercooler, 3'' zaust, factory locker, 2'' bodylift, 4''lift, superior drop box's, 35'' mtz, custom bullbar, premier winch
Thanks Den81 - Finally someone replying that has actually had some experience or seen one in operation. I also run LPG and was hoping for some savings as current consumption in 5.5k / litre or 18l /100. Petrol is the same.
when i tow lpg is just annoying as just have to flog the vehicle to get anywhere and its much better on petrol SO ! if i could improve econony all round i wil have better daily driving and better towing and 4wding capability.
any chance you would send me your brothers phone number so i could have a quick chat with him????
thanks
when i tow lpg is just annoying as just have to flog the vehicle to get anywhere and its much better on petrol SO ! if i could improve econony all round i wil have better daily driving and better towing and 4wding capability.
any chance you would send me your brothers phone number so i could have a quick chat with him????
thanks
91 SWB GQ 4.2P / LPG, Extractos, 2.5" Exh, 2" Susp lift, uhf tx4400, lightforce 240 blits, boring old 31" rubbers
Got a link?Den81 wrote:I had a look at my brother inlaws petrol hilux fitted with a ''hydrobooster'' on the weekend.
Got some specific before and after figures?Den81 wrote:It runs 25% hydrogen in his deticated lpg system. He says he gets an extra 120kms out of a tank full of gas, with the same power as petrol. Its a very simple system which takes up hardly any room.
Cheers den
How big is his tank? How many litres does he put in each fill?
How many kilometres was he travelling on each tank before his mods?
How many kilometres per tank now?
How does he know it's 25% hydrogen? Can you define "25% hydrogen"? Is that one part hydrogen to three parts LPG? He uses 1 litre of liquid hydrogen for every 3 litres of LPG?
I would love to believe that this works, but every website I have ever visited waffles on about oil company conspiracies, and how much better the world will be, and how, once properly tuned, the engine will run on water alone!
No.
Just went and googled "hydrobooster" - first hit typical website hype, water alone, link to a V8 something or other which runs on pure water - but nobody has been able to replicate the feat, because they can't find the right relays!
I'm with the chimp.
im not interested in running onwater alone - i would have to think that is years away for a succesful result.
Just want to get amximum economy and to if what is out there works, from someone who had tried it
Dan
Just want to get amximum economy and to if what is out there works, from someone who had tried it
Dan
91 SWB GQ 4.2P / LPG, Extractos, 2.5" Exh, 2" Susp lift, uhf tx4400, lightforce 240 blits, boring old 31" rubbers
I dont know any specific figures scott, all i know is my bro inlaw is more than happy with the results. Its supposed to make the gas burn more efficently, like lpg does to diesels. Hydrogen can be produced, it just takes alot of power to produce it quick enough for a car to run on it 100%.
The more fuel go's up, the more of this sort of thing will be experimented.
Cheers Den
The more fuel go's up, the more of this sort of thing will be experimented.
Cheers Den
89 st wagon, 4.2 turbo, top mount intercooler, 3'' zaust, factory locker, 2'' bodylift, 4''lift, superior drop box's, 35'' mtz, custom bullbar, premier winch
Just found this,
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Hydrogen-Cell-Pl ... dZViewItem
sounds like a similar syste.
Cheers Den
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Hydrogen-Cell-Pl ... dZViewItem
sounds like a similar syste.
Cheers Den
89 st wagon, 4.2 turbo, top mount intercooler, 3'' zaust, factory locker, 2'' bodylift, 4''lift, superior drop box's, 35'' mtz, custom bullbar, premier winch
just for the people that think it wont work.
http://www.fordmods.com/forums/boost-mi ... 59449.html
have a read. Garth it seems is doing the undoable
http://www.fordmods.com/forums/boost-mi ... 59449.html
have a read. Garth it seems is doing the undoable
http://www.mothfukle-engineering.com/
the systems i've seen only draw about 2 amps. and still have large efect of economyKiwiBacon wrote:HHO is water for people who failed chemistry and want to rip off all the other people who failed chemistry.shorty_f0rty wrote:WTF is a HHO kit cos i have NFI!!
please explain?
At least a Hiclone doesn't wear out your alternator.
http://www.mothfukle-engineering.com/
lol yes, he even got better fuel economy when the electrodes had broken off and it wasn't producing gas! Awesome system.brad-chevlux wrote:just for the people that think it wont work.
http://www.fordmods.com/forums/boost-mi ... 59449.html
have a read. Garth it seems is doing the undoable
This is not legal advice.
chimpboy wrote:lol yes, he even got better fuel economy when the electrodes had broken off and it wasn't producing gas! Awesome system.brad-chevlux wrote:just for the people that think it wont work.
http://www.fordmods.com/forums/boost-mi ... 59449.html
have a read. Garth it seems is doing the undoable
Pure BS. There is only one way two hydrogen and one oxygen molecule can combine and that results in the polar H2O molecule known as water.LuxyBoy wrote: Kiwis H2O is water HHO is still a form of Oxyhydrogen the same chemical compound as water but the molecular structure is different
Anyone who claims otherwise is trying to blow smoke up your ar$e.
Perfectly true, except for there being no such thing as "oxyhydrogen". Oxygen and Hydrogen are distinctly seperate gases.LuxyBoy wrote: A pure stoichiometric mixture is most easily obtained by water electrolysis, which uses an electric current to dissociate the water molecules:
electrolysis: 2 H2O → 2 H2 + O2
combustion: 2 H2 + O2 → 2 H2O
The energy required to generate the oxyhydrogen always exceeds the energy released by combusting it
Electrolysis is a painfully slow process, after about a minute you'll get enough to make a slight pop.
Do you think it's got anything to do with the extra kit they sell to fit at the same time, the one that tricks the oxygen sensors into running the engine lean?chimpboy wrote:lol yes, he even got better fuel economy when the electrodes had broken off and it wasn't producing gas! Awesome system.brad-chevlux wrote:just for the people that think it wont work.
http://www.fordmods.com/forums/boost-mi ... 59449.html
have a read. Garth it seems is doing the undoable
Like that clown in the links higher up, installed the kit, leaned his carbs out as far as he could and went down two jet sizes. Cured his plug carboning problems too.
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