4" sus lift with 8" shocks??

[steve patrol]

Im about to gather parts for a 4" lift on the troll ute. Want to get the max droop all round without going sky high or hydrolics. If i put shocks rated for an 8" lift on 4" coils would this give me more droop or would they botom out all the time?

Looking at the Ranco 9000xls (for a 2"-3" lift for a troll recommend RS999112, Compressed there 410mm and extended there 660mm). Theres others avalible like the RS999254 which comp 464mm and ext 781mm. Would these have the same bush size in the eye of the shock or do they vary, and same with the pins? This would give me an xtra 103mm of travel over the Tough Dogs.

Also if shock rated 2"-3" with 410mm comp and 660mm ext what would they be for an 8"? Ie. would the comp length stay the same and the ext be more???

Trying to understand it all a bit better...

Cheers

[Suspension Stuff]

Im about to gather parts for a 4" lift on the troll ute. Want to get the max droop all round without going sky high or hydrolics. If i put shocks rated for an 8" lift on 4" coils would this give me more droop or would they botom out all the time?

Looking at the Ranco 9000xls (for a 2"-3" lift for a troll recommend RS999112, Compressed there 410mm and extended there 660mm). Theres others avalible like the RS999254 which comp 464mm and ext 781mm. Would these have the same bush size in the eye of the shock or do they vary, and same with the pins? This would give me an xtra 103mm of travel over the Tough Dogs.

Also if shock rated 2"-3" with 410mm comp and 660mm ext what would they be for an 8"? Ie. would the comp length stay the same and the ext be more???

Trying to understand it all a bit better...

Cheers

For every inch you lengthen the extended length you roughly add half an inch to the compressed length which adds up very quickly.

I would start with flexi coils so you can run longer shocks to begin with. I would then suggest to tie your coils in or get drop out cones.

Remember the longer the shocks the longer the bump stops.

I also recommend you choose a different shock then the Rancho's.

The 660mm shock would generally be used for a 6-7" lift however if you get flexi coils, tie the coils in and maybe raise your shock mounts or run big bump stops then a 900mm extended length shock wouldn't be out of the questions. The compressed length for this shock in a Procomp shock is 505mm.

Shane

[steve patrol]

Cheers mate for the info!

So I could go the TDs 8" Shocks and put 80 series bumps stops on giving me more droop and not bottoming out the shock?

What are these flexi coils? Is there a website that I can check them out? The coils in the front with the flexi's would be same as say kings due to the weight factor ie Steel bull bar, duel batt, etc???

Whats the prob with Rancho's? I want to run the big bore shocks cause im planning a few trips up the cape so i want them to go the distance over the shakers. And get the adjustables as im allways caring diferent loads, towing a trailer or weekend 4x4in with no load with max flex required. ie its the work and play ute.

Is there an Adj BB shock that has that 395mm of travel of the procomp?


Cheers

[Suspension Stuff]

Rancho will fade fairly quickly once you over heat them.

The longest Tough Dog shock is 830mm extended and 540mm compressed. For now these are your best bet if you want adjustable.

I suppose I will have to do a write up one of these days for the 4-5" lift flex coils but I have done one for the 3" lift flexi coils.
I have a picture of the 3" lift flexi coils in this below link. You will get the idea I hope. The 4-5" lift flexi coils are run with the 6-7" lift shocks. From there you can tie them in or use drop out cones.
https://www.suspensionstuff.com.au/shop ... cts_id=996

You are correct to use the 80 series bump stops on the front. You can use them on the rear also with drop out cones. Otherwise you can space out your existing bump stops on the rear.

Shane

[Suspension Stuff]

Dual Rancho shocks would hold up quite well.

Shane

[steve patrol]

4WD Stuff
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:24 am

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Dual Rancho shocks would hold up quite well.

Shane

Like the way you think!

So the tough dogs are the way to go then...
Ive heard that the TD BBAs hit the front shock tower at full flex, would invering them help solve this problem or would i still have to cut out the tower base 10mm?

Are the flexi's avalible in a 4" or is 4-5 only? (Lots of side slopes)

Thanks again for all the info!

[Suspension Stuff]

They are 4.5" sometimes a tad more.

There are adjustable shocks coming out in 6 weeks that are a bit thinner then Tough Dogs but bigger then Rancho. For now they will be available up to 800mm extended for front and rear so not quite the length you are after for the rear but you will probably be happier with them on the front.

Shane

[steve patrol]

With the ranchos i was talking about the new 9000XL's 70mm OD 45mm bore 22mm Piston rod, Same as the TDBBAs except 22mm piston rod instead of 25mm, Hense less fade compared to the standard 9000X's.

So the free height of the Flexi's would be around 4.5" over STD on the car in the rear only? As you said on the write up with the 3" flexi's, the 3" stand the same or greater than the norm 4"-5" Coil, meaning the 4-5 flexi's stand the same as a norm 6-7 coil? Not being a smartarse just trying to understand.

Cheers

Steve

[Suspension Stuff]

I don't understand your question however the 4-5" lift flexi coils differ from the 3" lift ones because the 4-5" lift are flexi up front also. I have 3 different front coils in stock. Soft, soft and very long and heavier duty. I recommend the heavier duty ones.

For the rear in the 4-5" I have soft and heavier duty. If you get the heavier duty ones without putting any load in the back then it will sit closer to a 5" lift. I am getting a 3rd rear set designed now. They will basically be the same as the 4-5" heavier rears but tweaked to get a bit more free height and a bit more flex.

I didn't know that Rancho brought out some more shocks. I have no knoweledge on these. I'm not on their Christmas card list

Shane

[bogged]

Dual Rancho shocks would hold up quite well.

Shane

shame you need 2 of them to do the job of 1 of any other shock....

[steve patrol]

bogged
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:31 pm

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4WD Stuff wrote:
Dual Rancho shocks would hold up quite well.

Shane
shame you need 2 of them to do the job of 1 of any other shock....

I thought Shane ment Duel travel?

https://www.suspensionstuff.com.au/shop ... cts_id=996

If you are after the same suspension travel as a 4-5" lift but you like the ride height of a 3" lift then you are going to be happy with these coils. The rear coils have a slighty higher free height then the 4-5" lift normal coils.

As you said on the write up with the 3" flexi's, the 3" stand the same or greater than the norm 4"-5" Coil, meaning would the 4-5 flexi's stand the same as a norm 6-7 coil?

Saw the new ranchos on 4wd1 site thats all.

[Suspension Stuff]

Nah Bogged is right. They are so bad that you need 2 of them to match another brand. 2 would be successful though.

Don't know about big bore Rancho's though. How much are they?

[steve patrol]

on the site there $220 a shock but from the states...

F^&* that last post again! Bloody quotes

[Suspension Stuff]

on the site there $220 a shock but from the states...

Probably at least $300 each here.

F^&* that last post again! Bloody quotes

[steve patrol]

With the coils you said "If you are after the same suspension travel as a 4-5" lift but you like the ride height of a 3" lift then you are going to be happy with these coils. The rear coils have a slighty higher free height then the 4-5" lift normal coils."

This i talking about the 3" flexi coils having a slighty higher free height then the 4"-5" lift normal coils.

In saying this, wouldn't that mean its a 4"-5" lift coil rather that a 3"?

Or does it mean that there a lot softer coil so when there on the car they compess to a 3" lift but under flex they extend to a 4"-5" coil meaning you dont need drop outs??

[Suspension Stuff]

Press the quote button at the top left.

Shane

[steve patrol]

nah here there $220 over there there F^&* all.

Ill just stick to the old school "quotes"

[Suspension Stuff]

With the coils you said "If you are after the same suspension travel as a 4-5" lift but you like the ride height of a 3" lift then you are going to be happy with these coils. The rear coils have a slighty higher free height then the 4-5" lift normal coils."

This i talking about the 3" flexi coils having a slighty higher free height then the 4"-5" lift normal coils.

In saying this, wouldn't that mean its a 4"-5" lift coil rather that a 3"?

If you look at the pic, there are about 5 turns that are wound very tight. When driving normally they close up so it is like driving on a normal coil so not much softer. When you flex her up these tight turns unwind giving more flex. A coil is classed a 3" coils because it sits at 3" lift when in the vehicle. A free height measurement is when the coil is sitting with no load on it.

Or does it mean that there a lot softer coil so when there on the car they compress to a 3" lift but under flex they extend to a 4"-5" coil meaning you dont need drop outs??

Yes the coil is softer if you were to push your body weight on the coils but when you put 500kg on the coils then the tight turns are compressed up so you don't get the affects of the softer part of the coil.

I hope this makes sense.

Shane

[steve patrol]

Cheers mate, It does now

As i said still learning

Any knowledge on the A-Farme??

[Suspension Stuff]

Cheers mate, It does now

As i said still learning

Any knowledge on the A-Farme??

I loved the A frame in the Rangie, they help with anti squat, bump steer and help to put pressure on the opposite wheel when flexing meaning more pressure on the ground. I don't have any experience with A frames on Patrols but I will tell you what Superior tells me.

Superior tell me that there is no need for A frames in the Patrol. He believes that the extra power to the ground and reduction of bump steer is fixed by levelling out your lower control arms. This is done by getting extra long control arms. Superior have off the shelf arms.

Shane

[steve patrol]

Cheers!

[steve patrol]

Just a sec...

What about doing both?

[Suspension Stuff]

That would be ultimate in my mind.

Shane

[steve patrol]

[q_ship]

hahaha i just bought got me pro comp's from the USA.

cost me $440 for 4 shocks and 2 dampners


34" ext 19.5" comp

i would never waste money on rancho's

[KIWI]

. I don't have any experience with A frames on Patrols but I will tell you what Superior tells me.

Superior tell me that there is no need for A frames in the Patrol. He believes that the extra power to the ground and reduction of bump steer is fixed by levelling out your lower control arms. This is done by getting extra long control arms. Superior have off the shelf arms.

Shane

What about for a swb though?