Flamin Gigglepin

Post by **Slunnie** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:37 pm

I was looking at the flamin fabrications website and wondering...
Who's going to start running the Gigglepin and Flamin Fabrications adaptors together.

Post by **NZ4x4** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:38 pm

When i can afford it.... been thinking and planning it for a long time

Post by **chunderlicious** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:12 pm

thats a $5000 setup even before you have 2 extra motors (flamins come with a motor) and you will need 4 solenoids and probably 2 extra batteries to get the best out of it which means another or a very beefed up alt.

PLUS

all that torque you will most likely blow up the gears or the brakeshaft somehow.

have fun moneybags'

Post by **cooki_monsta** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:17 pm

ever heard of pto?

Post by **Slunnie** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:30 pm

All the naysayers.

Shame I cant afford it.

Post by **NZ4x4** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:23 pm

chunderlicious wrote:thats a $5000 setup even before you have 2 extra motors (flamins come with a motor) and you will need 4 solenoids and probably 2 extra batteries to get the best out of it which means another or a very beefed up alt.

PLUS

all that torque you will most likely blow up the gears or the brakeshaft somehow.

have fun moneybags'

Yep, need up-rated main-shafts, lower gears should be OK. My electrical system will already handle it. Have already spent $4.5k on my 8274 so what's another $4-5k

Thinking about hydraulic as my primary winch at the moment though. 280-300 feet per min. Will see how things work out. Not a lot of money floating about at the moment. Have already spent $8k on my new motor and it still in pieces and not even half way there.

Post by **GRPABT1** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:35 pm

cooki_monsta wrote:ever heard of pto?

Gods winch FTW

Too bad whinging winch manufaturers who sponsor comps outlaw them cause they make their products look feable...

Post by **tuf045** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:51 pm

GRPABT1 wrote:
cooki_monsta wrote:ever heard of pto?
Gods winch FTW

Too bad whinging winch manufaturers who sponsor comps outlaw them cause they make their products look feable...

Could also be the slight problem of no brake?

I thought that gaintracing of this board had tried something similar with a 4 motor winch?

Post by **gqpete** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:59 pm

chunderlicious wrote:thats a $5000 setup even before you have 2 extra motors (flamins come with a motor) and you will need 4 solenoids and probably 2 extra batteries to get the best out of it which means another or a very beefed up alt.

PLUS

all that torque you will most likely blow up the gears or the brakeshaft somehow.

have fun moneybags'

x2. wouldn't be faster just stronger. the rest of the winch will sh1t itself. would't bother.

Post by **nzdarin** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:06 am

PTO's have brakes? There are plenty being used in NZ that comply with all the rules as far autmatic brake etc etc. The problem is that everyone using a pto has an electric backup as pto winches are not reliable once uprated to be fast enough in a comp. My twin motor high mount is about the same speed as a standard GQ pto winch. However once the pto is pushed hard then it is faster, no question about it, but they also then have a habit of destroying the dropbox and the wrom drive.

For the cost of a 4 motor high mount you could fit a standard hydraulic and get 100+ per minute and extremely reliable.

Post by **The_Wazza** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:29 am

Twin Motor Lowmount .... See it on the OBC dvd. Looks like he's driving instead of winching.

Post by **NJV6** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:12 am

nzdarin wrote:PTO's have brakes?

Hi Darin,
Yep the worm drive can drive the drum but the drum can't drive a worm drive if you know what I mean. So it act's as a brake when it is not being driven.

Seen a couple of twin motor's like yours down here now. Go well. I think this guy from omarau said he had been in touch with you about yours.

Video I took

Glen

Post by **Mudzuki** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:00 am

The_Wazza wrote:Twin Motor Lowmount .... See it on the OBC dvd. Looks like he's driving instead of winching.

Who was running this setup at outback? I don't recall seeing it.

Post by **Ossie** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:26 am

Mudzuki wrote:
The_Wazza wrote:Twin Motor Lowmount .... See it on the OBC dvd. Looks like he's driving instead of winching.
Who was running this setup at outback? I don't recall seeing it.

Norm Walters in the fishing truck...

Jason

Post by **flexytj** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:41 pm

The_Wazza wrote:Twin Motor Lowmount .... See it on the OBC dvd. Looks like he's driving instead of winching.

could this be done to a warn xp9.5ti ???????????

Post by **dr who?** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:11 am

just wondering, but has anyone put a type r milemarker up against a twin motor 8274? winching and cost?

Post by **The_Wazza** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:49 am

flexytj wrote:
The_Wazza wrote:Twin Motor Lowmount .... See it on the OBC dvd. Looks like he's driving instead of winching.
could this be done to a warn xp9.5ti ???????????

Billy Geddes up at Rockhampton has the twin motors on his XP9.5ti and I'm sure Norm Walters is the same.

It'd even work on a 12,000 pound Low Mount.

Post by **nzdarin** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:59 am

dr who? wrote:just wondering, but has anyone put a type r milemarker up against a twin motor 8274? winching and cost?

Last time I looked a Type R was 1900 pounds and that doesn't have it mounted unless you have a LR 110.
A twin motor is slower and won't pull for as long but is simplier than a Type R. A lot of guys in NZ have used Superwinch 8000 lbs and have them running far faster than a Type R (under load not no load speed), but then they are also putting a lot more pressure and flow than the type R has so it maybe able to do the same?

Post by **KiwiBacon** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:25 pm

cooki_monsta wrote:ever heard of pto?

Fine till your engine dies.
Though I suppose with a dead engine your electric winch won't last long either.

Post by **chunderlicious** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:11 pm

KiwiBacon wrote:
cooki_monsta wrote:ever heard of pto?
Fine till your engine dies.
Though I suppose with a dead engine your electric winch won't last long either.

i dont know, i have a 5 minute video or greg jackson gigglepin winching up a 70 degree 20 metre hill with no motor. was still ALOT quicker than the others running single motors with engines running. he was also using it to steer the car as he runs hydro steering.

Post by **The_Wazza** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:17 pm

Slunnie wrote:I was looking at the flamin fabrications website and wondering...
Who's going to start running the Gigglepin and Flamin Fabrications adaptors together.

I'll keep you posted, but it won't be done with a Gigglepin

and we also have faster gear ratio sets now available to upgrade your Flamin twin motor winch.

Post by **Slunnie** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:27 pm

The_Wazza wrote:
Slunnie wrote:I was looking at the flamin fabrications website and wondering...
Who's going to start running the Gigglepin and Flamin Fabrications adaptors together.
I'll keep you posted, but it won't be done with a Gigglepin and we also have faster gear ratio sets now available to upgrade your Flamin twin motor winch.

Nice Wazza!

To the naysayers, that sounds like more pull and higher line speed.

This is for the Himount still?

Post by **The_Wazza** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:33 pm

Slunnie wrote:
The_Wazza wrote:
Slunnie wrote:I was looking at the flamin fabrications website and wondering...
Who's going to start running the Gigglepin and Flamin Fabrications adaptors together.
I'll keep you posted, but it won't be done with a Gigglepin and we also have faster gear ratio sets now available to upgrade your Flamin twin motor winch.
Nice Wazza!

To the naysayers, that sounds like more pull and higher line speed.

This is for the Himount still?

Sure is.

Post by **Wilba** » Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:46 pm

Hey Waz hows it going ? The old low mount is still going mate! Had a bit of trouble with the rest of the car but think i`ve got it sorted now.If you find the time come up to tamworth xwc there will be some new cool stuff with the winches there mate.A couple of winch trucks from up here run them now and some of the more well known cars are using them for specific winches in outback and other comps down your way.Billy

Post by **Slunnie** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:35 pm

I was wondering if a high mount winch also has mounting holes in the bottom of it, so that instead of sitting the winch upright with the motor over the drum, it could be layed back with the motor behind the drum, and then this would allow it to be fitted to some low mount winch bars that have the space between the bullbar and the radiator.

I'm assuming that this is not easily done as I've not heard of people doing it.

Post by **chunderlicious** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:12 pm

someone can post a pic but id say cant be done easily. the design of the highmount casing doesnt really allow for it.

Post by **turps** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:49 am

No reason why the end plate cant be rotated. And if the winch has any mods at all. Putting new feet on the housing shouldn't be to hard for a welder.
Only thing i would wonder about is how the gears are supported. Can they take the force from that angle.

Post by **nzdarin** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:57 am

The only problem I can see with laying it down it oil. The support of the drum would be dealt with when you make up a mounting pad on the bottom of the housing. The rest of the gears they would be no relative change to the loadings. So as long as you have the oil level high enough to lube everything then there shouldn't be a problem.plenty of people run them on quite an angle with no problem.

Wazza, tell me more about the gear set! What ratio and how much? It could be a very good upgrade for me with the twin 7.8's?

Post by **Angry_Cat** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:37 am

nzdarin wrote:The only problem I can see with laying it down it oil. The support of the drum would be dealt with when you make up a mounting pad on the bottom of the housing. The rest of the gears they would be no relative change to the loadings. So as long as you have the oil level high enough to lube everything then there shouldn't be a problem.plenty of people run them on quite an angle with no problem.

Wazza, tell me more about the gear set! What ratio and how much? It could be a very good upgrade for me with the twin 7.8's?

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Post by **Smithy jnr** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:53 am

For those who are interested my web site is now up for Gigglepin Winch products in Aus; smithiengineering.com.au

The new Gigglepin winch is on display there, with the free-spool built into the lower housing. Gears in the lower housing are all supported on roller bearings, including the end plate, with standard drum length 76mm longer than Warn, and options on custom drum lengths if you want them.

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