i think the rear glass is close but i also think the diff has been move backwards and i think that would change the way it handles completly.
anybody ever done this before on a GV or XL7?
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GV Ute!!
GV Ute!!
I had always wanted to do this then i cam accross this in the trading post today!
i think the rear glass is close but i also think the diff has been move backwards and i think that would change the way it handles completly.
anybody ever done this before on a GV or XL7?
i think the rear glass is close but i also think the diff has been move backwards and i think that would change the way it handles completly.
anybody ever done this before on a GV or XL7?
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Re: GV Ute!!
fordy1 wrote:anybody ever done this before on a GV or XL7?
I think a guy in QLD did one to a black one
Ransom note = demand + collage
Re: GV Ute!!
I remember seeing an extra cab up north too?grimbo wrote:fordy1 wrote:anybody ever done this before on a GV or XL7?
I think a guy in QLD did one to a black one
it looked awsome
GRPABT1 - Right on!
That's horrid and doesn't make any sense. A light duty ute? It's the same size as a hilux but about a gazillionly times more likely to break.
A jimny ute I'll almost accept as at least it's light and won't dig up paddocks etc but I can't see the point in a GV ute.
Sure it'll be quiet etc but fill thatt tray full of anything and it's going to be suffering badly.
Just my 2c.
That's horrid and doesn't make any sense. A light duty ute? It's the same size as a hilux but about a gazillionly times more likely to break.
A jimny ute I'll almost accept as at least it's light and won't dig up paddocks etc but I can't see the point in a GV ute.
Sure it'll be quiet etc but fill thatt tray full of anything and it's going to be suffering badly.
Just my 2c.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
early model vitara diffs are rated for 1250 kg, and a grand is more. i think it will be fine. the only benefit of a normal ute is leaf springs for more load, but with the right stuff the gv could be good. i reckon it looks ace...and i'd have one................honey....can i put the 9 inch on the xl7?.....
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CAD modelling-TECH drawings-DXF preparation.
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It's pretty clear a Jumbuck is a mitsubishi lancer with a small tray on it.
A GV with a reasonable sized tray on it is going to look like you could put payload in it. It doesn't really look like a light duty ute- it's a 4WD V6 ute - but it's only really got 500kg of payload.
This has a stretched wheelbase, so there's even more load going on the front end than stock (more potential load between the wheels)
I'd say this car's going to suffer if you used it like it looks you could use it.
Steve.
A GV with a reasonable sized tray on it is going to look like you could put payload in it. It doesn't really look like a light duty ute- it's a 4WD V6 ute - but it's only really got 500kg of payload.
This has a stretched wheelbase, so there's even more load going on the front end than stock (more potential load between the wheels)
I'd say this car's going to suffer if you used it like it looks you could use it.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
still, nice job 
..500 kg aint so bad. look at most 1 tonne utes, actually put a tonne in them and they shit em selves. plus, we only have photos, no details or data, so we're all just speculating........
..500 kg aint so bad. look at most 1 tonne utes, actually put a tonne in them and they shit em selves. plus, we only have photos, no details or data, so we're all just speculating........lwb 1.6efi,4sp auto,f&r airlockers,dual t/cases.custom coils.builder of ROAD LEGAL custom suzukis...and other stuff.
CAD modelling-TECH drawings-DXF preparation.
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CAD modelling-TECH drawings-DXF preparation.
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I'm not speculating about the strength of the GV in general.
I'm also not speculating about the ease with which this car could be loaded above it's original GVM or that this is going to place more load on the front end than a stock GV (not the strongest thing anyway)
Just because it was done neatly (which we're only specualting about) doesn't make it a good idea.
Steve.
I'm also not speculating about the ease with which this car could be loaded above it's original GVM or that this is going to place more load on the front end than a stock GV (not the strongest thing anyway)
Just because it was done neatly (which we're only specualting about) doesn't make it a good idea.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
Gwagensteve wrote:It's pretty clear a Jumbuck is a mitsubishi lancer with a small tray on it. So what, they are a light duty ute that do the job they are built for
A GV with a reasonable sized tray on it is going to look like you could put payload in it. It doesn't really look like a light duty ute- it's a 4WD V6 ute - but it's only really got 500kg of payload. So what, it is a light duty ute that does the job it was built for. Just because to you it look slike it could take a bigger payload, doesn't mean the builder or potential new owner will do that
This has a stretched wheelbase, so there's even more load going on the front end than stock (more potential load between the wheels)
I'd say this car's going to suffer if you used it like it looks you could use it.
Steve.
Ransom note = demand + collage
So Steve, your 1.0ltr tray back.... how much is it designed to carry?Gwagensteve wrote:
That's horrid and doesn't make any sense. A light duty ute? It's the same size as a hilux but about a gazillionly times more likely to break.
If light duty utes make no sense, why do you own one?
[quote="Harb"]Well I'm guessing that they didn't think everyone would carry on like a big bunch of sooky girls over it like they have........[/quote]
mmm...whats going on there grimbo....
i'm fortunate enough to have chassis data, diff data etc etc for all the vitara range ( and don't ask who i had to sweet talk to get it!) and after doing some maths i don't see a drama with it as long as the chassis mods were done correctly. you can carry on all you want godfrey but the maths add up, and i'm sure if it was done by a pro the new comp plate will state what gvm is allowed. do you take your vehicle to a weighbridge with a camping load?...i know i don't. over to you stevey......
i'm fortunate enough to have chassis data, diff data etc etc for all the vitara range ( and don't ask who i had to sweet talk to get it!) and after doing some maths i don't see a drama with it as long as the chassis mods were done correctly. you can carry on all you want godfrey but the maths add up, and i'm sure if it was done by a pro the new comp plate will state what gvm is allowed. do you take your vehicle to a weighbridge with a camping load?...i know i don't. over to you stevey......
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CAD modelling-TECH drawings-DXF preparation.
http://www.auszookers.com/index.php
CAD modelling-TECH drawings-DXF preparation.
http://www.auszookers.com/index.php
Nope, you're missing the point guys. I know my Sierra has a 450kg payload and try to stay within that, but it also has less than 1000kg kerb weight and 36kw in stock form. It is light duty and can only be used as such.
You can't put anything much in the back of a jumbuck - just like you couldn't a mighty boy, or a brumby, or a 1.0 with a stock tray, but all these cars are heavily power limited too - load ome up too much and it's not going anywhere. The GV has enough power to cope with heavy loads, but that doesn't mean the rest of the car does.
That GV isn't the same sort of thing as a jumbuck at all - a 2.5/2.7litre motor, roomy cab, decent tray.... on the face of it it's a hilux competitor. Now try to convince someone it can't tow much or you an only put 300kg in it once you have a full tank of fuel and you are your mate are in it. and if they put more in and collapse something there's no warranty or comeback because nobody else has tried it before. You're 100% on your own. That's not a risk the factory vehicle owner has to deal with.
Even issues related to COG and roll centre and a worry. Carrying payload further forward in the car and on average 400mm higher than the factory intended?
That GV won't be significantly lighter or perform better than any other Japanese utility, but will have nowhere near the payload or durability of a car designed from the outset as a utility.
If I really wanted a GV ute and knew exactly why I wanted it and what I wanted to do with it, and new that was within its capabilities, great. Thing is, put this vehicle on the market and you're going to struggle to convince someone else that it's very useful when compared to a conventional ute, or even somehting like a Falcon RTV.
Joe -
Actually, I have done some work on weighbridges and how close packed cars go to GVM is frightening. "I'm sure they have worked it out" isn't an answer though. Patrol coil cabs fall apart at less than GVM - GV's aren't immune and making a longer heavier GV with the capacity to carry more weight is a worry, it's even more of a worry if someones' slapped a mod plate on it saying its ok for more payload. (which is speculation)
So how much more weight would you rate a GV [front end as able to handle? What do your maths and inside information tell you?
Steve.
You can't put anything much in the back of a jumbuck - just like you couldn't a mighty boy, or a brumby, or a 1.0 with a stock tray, but all these cars are heavily power limited too - load ome up too much and it's not going anywhere. The GV has enough power to cope with heavy loads, but that doesn't mean the rest of the car does.
That GV isn't the same sort of thing as a jumbuck at all - a 2.5/2.7litre motor, roomy cab, decent tray.... on the face of it it's a hilux competitor. Now try to convince someone it can't tow much or you an only put 300kg in it once you have a full tank of fuel and you are your mate are in it. and if they put more in and collapse something there's no warranty or comeback because nobody else has tried it before. You're 100% on your own. That's not a risk the factory vehicle owner has to deal with.
Even issues related to COG and roll centre and a worry. Carrying payload further forward in the car and on average 400mm higher than the factory intended?
That GV won't be significantly lighter or perform better than any other Japanese utility, but will have nowhere near the payload or durability of a car designed from the outset as a utility.
If I really wanted a GV ute and knew exactly why I wanted it and what I wanted to do with it, and new that was within its capabilities, great. Thing is, put this vehicle on the market and you're going to struggle to convince someone else that it's very useful when compared to a conventional ute, or even somehting like a Falcon RTV.
Joe -
Actually, I have done some work on weighbridges and how close packed cars go to GVM is frightening. "I'm sure they have worked it out" isn't an answer though. Patrol coil cabs fall apart at less than GVM - GV's aren't immune and making a longer heavier GV with the capacity to carry more weight is a worry, it's even more of a worry if someones' slapped a mod plate on it saying its ok for more payload. (which is speculation)
So how much more weight would you rate a GV [front end as able to handle? What do your maths and inside information tell you?
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
not missing the point at all Steve. The person who built this would have had to have been aware of the GVM issues to have got it onto the road. So obviously it was designed to carry lightweight bulky items.
You are basing your assumptions on an uninformed builder of the vehicle which just can't be. Also you are assuming the subsequent purchaser will be the same. I personally don't think some one would see that as a Hilux competitor. the market for this vehicle is going to be very limited as a tradie or courier is not going to be interested in buying a modified vehicle like that
Again so what if you can't put anything much in the back of a Jumbuck in your mind. Many people do find they suit their needs perfectly. Just because it is a ute doesn't mean that heavy loads are the only thing that has to go into it. If you are a company that needs to transport occasional bulky boxes etc that don't weigh a tonne why pay for a heavy duty ute that will be uncomfortable to drive around in, not as economical?
You are basing your assumptions on an uninformed builder of the vehicle which just can't be. Also you are assuming the subsequent purchaser will be the same. I personally don't think some one would see that as a Hilux competitor. the market for this vehicle is going to be very limited as a tradie or courier is not going to be interested in buying a modified vehicle like that
Again so what if you can't put anything much in the back of a Jumbuck in your mind. Many people do find they suit their needs perfectly. Just because it is a ute doesn't mean that heavy loads are the only thing that has to go into it. If you are a company that needs to transport occasional bulky boxes etc that don't weigh a tonne why pay for a heavy duty ute that will be uncomfortable to drive around in, not as economical?
Ransom note = demand + collage
I'm not basing my assumptions on an uninformed builder at all (although I have my concerns) but on an uninformed purchaser.
By increasing the load area, you're radically increasing the weight the vehicle can carry well beyond the design parameters of the original vehicle. In the case of the GV, the size, confguration and and load area of the vehicle would imply it has reasonable load handling capability and durability, at least similar to a ute of equivalent size. That's not the case with a jumbuck, a brumby, or 1.0 sierra. (vehicles that were a commecial success)
It won't have. It's an expensive, uneconomocal vehicle with low load carrying capabilities (for it's class)
Thats the extent of my concern, and that's why I consider it pointless - a car that looks like it carry stuff, even though it can't.
You hit it on the head - the demand for a vehicle like this will be very small. Generally people who need a ute acutally need a ute.
That's all.
If it's a commercial success then I'm obviously wrong.
Steve.
By increasing the load area, you're radically increasing the weight the vehicle can carry well beyond the design parameters of the original vehicle. In the case of the GV, the size, confguration and and load area of the vehicle would imply it has reasonable load handling capability and durability, at least similar to a ute of equivalent size. That's not the case with a jumbuck, a brumby, or 1.0 sierra. (vehicles that were a commecial success)
It won't have. It's an expensive, uneconomocal vehicle with low load carrying capabilities (for it's class)
Thats the extent of my concern, and that's why I consider it pointless - a car that looks like it carry stuff, even though it can't.
You hit it on the head - the demand for a vehicle like this will be very small. Generally people who need a ute acutally need a ute.
That's all.
If it's a commercial success then I'm obviously wrong.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
Whatif Whatif Whatif ... bah ...
Steve stop worrying about things you cant do anything about.
Joe .. Stop stiring up Steve
I reckon chuck a set of muddies on it, give it a small lift and it would be a fun little truck ..Would be a ball to drive in the sand and unlike most other utes that size, would most likley ride reasonably well unladen.
Would be an alright little camping rig as well.
Steve stop worrying about things you cant do anything about.
Joe .. Stop stiring up Steve
I reckon chuck a set of muddies on it, give it a small lift and it would be a fun little truck ..Would be a ball to drive in the sand and unlike most other utes that size, would most likley ride reasonably well unladen.
Would be an alright little camping rig as well.
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