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URGENT Gearbox help please :(

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URGENT Gearbox help please :(

Post by LuxyBoy »

Just drove down the road and Luxy started making some noise, pulled over and it stopped though it must have been the box front drive shaft so i kept going.
Noise got worse stopped again and noise was still going; shut it down and checked underneath, all appears fine.
Started back up and depessed clutch noise stopped; let clutch out noise starts again. Clutch in and revving no noise so i am pretty sure the motor is fine.
Had to get home so just putted it back but i noticed down hill I put it in fourth gear and the noise stopped; it is the only gear that doesn't make a noise so i think it has to be the actual insides of the gearbox but i just had that rebuilt :bad-words:
Any other ideas :?:
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Post by dogbreath_48 »

I'm going to assume it's a G52? It'll be the mainshaft gear/input gear/idler gear (one of them :lol:) Probably lost a few teeth - this is the only gear that causes issues in all gears apart from 4th.

-Stu
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Re: URGENT Gearbox help please :(

Post by bogged »

LuxyBoy wrote:but i just had that rebuilt :bad-words:
call who ever rebuilt it and let them worry bout it.
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Re: URGENT Gearbox help please :(

Post by LuxyBoy »

bogged wrote:
LuxyBoy wrote:but i just had that rebuilt :bad-words:
call who ever rebuilt it and let them worry bout it.
Yeah i'm going to, just wanted to make sure i hadn't missed something else that could be the cause.
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Post by sootygu »

If its only when the clutch is released it might be the throw out bearing.

These can make a noise when in contact with the pressure plate fingers and no pressure on the bearing.
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Post by Bezman »

The reason it doesnt make a noise in fourth is because in fourth the whole input main shaft is locked up like one big shaft form engine to transfer. The throw out would be making a noise no matter what gear it was in. It is most probably cluster gears ( 1st 2nd 3rd )or bearings on cluster. G52 drop teeth reguarly. Listen to Stu
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Post by LuxyBoy »

Thanks guys the gearbox place said the same thing as Stu but won't fix it under warranty. Even though i have driven Luxy for years without a problem until he rebuilt the box :bad-words: :x :bad-words:
Said their warranty doesn't cover gears only bearings.
If i take it to him; they have a look ($300) and it is a bearing fault then he can TRY to get the bearing company to pay for a full rebuilt including gear sets that he reckons will cost about $5000.
As if the bearing company are going to cop that they are just going to say he installed them wrong :roll:

So i am thinking of just getting another box from the wreckers.
The gearbox place reckon a 3 litre Surf box is bigger and stronger and fits in; anyone done this or know of a different box i can put in that is strong and doesn't require huge dollars and stuffing around :?:
Ready to rip his Fing head off at the moment.
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Post by LuxyBoy »

He reckons the G/box from a Surf VZN130 with the 3VZ-E motor will fit mine but doesn't know whether the transfer case is the same or will fit and if the bellhousing from Luxy will just bolt.

Anyone know :?:
Have posted on http://www.toyotasurf.asn.au also
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Post by WICKED »

Think surfs have a chain driven t-case.
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Post by cooter »

yep chain driven

but the front box is the same
just use a mid 90s v6 box as they are the strong ones
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Post by LuxyBoy »

cooter wrote:yep chain driven

but the front box is the same
just use a mid 90s v6 box as they are the strong ones
Don't know what you mean by "the front box" :?
Had a look at the wreckers and the V6 bellhousing looks different but the g/box & bellhousing from a 5L motor looks like it will mate straight up is it as strong as the V6 box :?:
Can you convert a chain t/case to gear driven :?: (I have duals in the shed ready to go in so I don't really want to change)
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Post by dogbreath_48 »

surf box is R series (R150?) and use the chain driven transfer case. An adapter is available to attach the gear driven transfer case - you'll also need to stuff around with shifters and possibly swap tcase input shaft. I believe 1st gear is also alot taller which can make them a prick to get off the line with std diff gears (as experienced with my bro's ln106 w/2.4td/33's/std diffs)
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Post by Modified Toy »

Sounds like a good quality rebuild with and excellent warranty :roll: 5000 grand for a box is a bit steep, gears are dear but not that much 2 to 3 if you need lots of them...
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Post by Bezman »

How long was it after the rebuild, and did they romove and refit the box.
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Post by LuxyBoy »

Thanks Stu yeah i think the surf box is R150F did your brother have problems with mating the box to motor :?:
Do you know who does the adapters I had a look on marks but couldn't see one :?
Apparently there is a wide and skinny version of the R150 so i need to find a skinny and see if my bellhousing will mate up or not. It is just confusing at the wreckers.

Bit more pricey too, from the wreckers the G52 is $660 and the R150F is $1300 :shock: Apparently they don't like selling the G52 secondhand because of the failure rate, wish i knew all this before i rebuilt it :roll:
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Post by bogged »

LuxyBoy wrote:Thanks guys the gearbox place said the same thing as Stu but won't fix it under warranty. Even though i have driven Luxy for years without a problem until he rebuilt the box :bad-words: :x :bad-words:
Said their warranty doesn't cover gears only bearings.
what exactly did they rebuild?
DO you have a detailed reciept from them?

Try the local RACQ Legal dept, they will tell you where you stand.

Seems std for gearbox places.
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Post by AZZA'S HJ47 »

imoput shaft bearing
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Post by dogbreath_48 »

LuxyBoy wrote:Thanks Stu yeah i think the surf box is R150F did your brother have problems with mating the box to motor :?:
Do you know who does the adapters I had a look on marks but couldn't see one :?
He brought it bolted to a 2L-T (as per std) and kept the engine on there, but i'd guess a 2L-T bellhousing would bolt up to a 3L (not sure).

The adapter was from mariln crawler, through locktup4x4. He also got an input shaft/gear from either marlin or trailgear (spline counts differ from early to late box's, i think it's the earlier one that is required to suit the marlin adapter)
I can't remember too many specifics but i'll see if i can get him on to give you a hand.
AZZA'S HJ47 wrote:imoput shaft bearing
Seen enough of these box's lose teeth without any sign of bearing failure

-Stu :)
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Post by LuxyBoy »

Much appreciated Stu ;)
There are four different R151F boxes now i just need to figure out what the hell the differences are :roll:
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Post by Mr DJ »

dogbreath_48 wrote: but i'd guess a 2L-T bellhousing would bolt up to a 3L (not sure).
Yes, it will fit.
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Post by LuxyBoy »

So i just need the box and bell from a 2L-T :armsup: is the 2L-Te the same :?:
Might get the crossmember too, just in case.

Thanks heaps guys :D
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Post by Manky »

The late 2-LT bellhousing (from a surf etc) should bolt up to a 3L. I'm not sure about the early 2LT bellhousing from a bundy? Can anybody confirm this?
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Post by Mr DJ »

LuxyBoy wrote:So i just need the box and bell from a 2L-T :armsup: is the 2L-Te the same :?:
Yes it is.
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