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Vit bottom end.. how strong?

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Vit bottom end.. how strong?

Post by jonno_racing »

well i carnt sceem to find any info on what i want so....

Im curently putting the wheels in motion for my new motor for my zook..

I am thinking about useing a Vit crank/rods/16 valve pistons/gti twin cam head etc..

my question is will the vit crank and rods take it?? i know the pistons are built strong but will i be throwing legs out of bed at 8000rpm? or will the crank die??

i have sceen turbo'd vit motors but still dont know how much they love to rev...

i am concidering this engen to be able to rev hard and still produce a bit of low down.. hence the 1600 bottom end..

will also be useing a sierra block.
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Re: Vit bottom end.. how strong?

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jonno_racing wrote:well i carnt sceem to find any info on what i want so....

Im curently putting the wheels in motion for my new motor for my zook..

I am thinking about useing a Vit crank/rods/16 valve pistons/gti twin cam head etc..

my question is will the vit crank and rods take it?? i know the pistons are built strong but will i be throwing legs out of bed at 8000rpm? or will the crank die??

i have sceen turbo'd vit motors but still dont know how much they love to rev...

i am concidering this engen to be able to rev hard and still produce a bit of low down.. hence the 1600 bottom end..

will also be useing a sierra block.
A 1600 crank will not fit into a 1300 block, it is not wide enought inside.
The 1600 rods are not reknowned for their strenght either .. Though I used to give mine a good hiding and it never gave me trouble.
I am pretty certain you will find that the 1600 rods are also to long to be used with the 1300 block (otherwise you could use the forged and very durable 1300 GTi rods in a 1600)
The 1600 rod weak area is just above the crank bearing, it is quite narrow so as not to interfere with the block (oops think its the piston skirt actually) . I am uncertain if anyone makes a stronger aftermarket rod.

Te Crank itself is known to be quite durable (especially the 16v 1.6 version it is fully counterweighted forged item)
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Post by jonno_racing »

well... looks like that plan just went to crap...

never mind unless i can get a 16vavle vit bottom end.. although that still wont alow me to rev it like i want to..
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Post by nicbeer »

how strong is the bottom end, ie block and that?

apart from the overheating issues.
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The early (1.6) Vitara blocks are known for cracks. If you buy one secondhand, look for telltale water or oil marks and hairline cracks...also welding from repairs.

I had two that had leaks near the oil pressure switch.
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Post by grimbo »

jonno_racing wrote:well... looks like that plan just went to crap...

never mind unless i can get a 16vavle vit bottom end.. although that still wont alow me to rev it like i want to..
so why do you want to rev the heck out of the engine?
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Post by v840 »

What about a 4age? They love to rev.
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Post by jonno_racing »

i like to make things rev hard..

v840 was thinking about 4age but if i stick with a g13 no need for engenering etc.

i have been doing alot of work to my mates GTI (actualy turboing it but another story) and i love his.. the way it revs is awsome to say the least..

i think i might go a whole gti motor.
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Post by grimbo »

but why? I'm actually serious, not picking on you etc. Just curious as to why you want to rev things hard? What benefit does it give you? I hated revving the ring bits out of my Sierra, sometimes it was done but once I had the gearing sorted didn't need to do it.
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Post by Guy »

jonno_racing wrote:i like to make things rev hard..

v840 was thinking about 4age but if i stick with a g13 no need for engenering etc.

i have been doing alot of work to my mates GTI (actualy turboing it but another story) and i love his.. the way it revs is awsome to say the least..

i think i might go a whole gti motor.
Modern 1.3 16v motor has a better head. The coil on plug design is alot easier to package in a sierra engine bay.
perhaps GTI bottom end with newer g13bb head ?
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Post by jonno_racing »

dunno grimbo maby the sound of a 1300 at 7k... just awsome...

i am going to be useing a sierra distributor..
trying to stay away from efi... useing a quad carbi set up of a bike.

its just a experement.. and if it fails i can sell the motor to a ricer and go a jimny motor i guess
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Post by atari4x4 »

wasn't the motor in grimbo's zook a corolla toymotor?
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Post by grimbo »

atari4x4 wrote:wasn't the motor in grimbo's zook a corolla toymotor?
at one stage but it also had a few Sierra ones as well
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Post by Guy »

jonno_racing wrote:dunno grimbo maby the sound of a 1300 at 7k... just awsome...

i am going to be useing a sierra distributor..
trying to stay away from efi... useing a quad carbi set up of a bike.

its just a experement.. and if it fails i can sell the motor to a ricer and go a jimny motor i guess
do you have a right angle adapter ? they are pretty rare and due to this rather expensive.
Otherwise you can make an indentation in the firewall to use the GTi one if your not looking to engineer it seeing as your going with carbs.
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Post by jonno_racing »

love_mud wrote:
jonno_racing wrote:dunno grimbo maby the sound of a 1300 at 7k... just awsome...

i am going to be useing a sierra distributor..
trying to stay away from efi... useing a quad carbi set up of a bike.

its just a experement.. and if it fails i can sell the motor to a ricer and go a jimny motor i guess
do you have a right angle adapter ? they are pretty rare and due to this rather expensive.
Otherwise you can make an indentation in the firewall to use the GTi one if your not looking to engineer it seeing as your going with carbs.
i am going with carbs due to the fact that i like them... and it is posible to make more power with carbs than STANDARD efi..

i may have one comeing or i can fabricate something quite simply..
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love_mud wrote: do you have a right angle adapter ?
Edit: Sorry fellas I'll shut up now. :oops:
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Post by jonno_racing »

v840 wrote: One on ebay atm.
SHHHHHH........ i have some one bidding on it for me!
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Post by germo »

v840
be quiet
now the price will go through the roof! I was hoping for a good deal!

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Post by jonno_racing »

germo wrote:v840
be quiet
now the price will go through the roof! I was hoping for a good deal!

ashley
good luck jonno_racing, if bidder 1 wins you know I got it!
argh looks like we have competion..

i was hopeing no one had sceen it!!!!
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Post by drakan69 »

Not that this has much to do with what your talking about, but the 8-valve had hypereutectic pistons (what the Honda D16 use in turbo projects) as far as i know. Does the 16-valve?
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