Test vehicle required.

[ajsr]

as much as I think dzltec's intentions are in the right place I also belive any of this type of work (product and labour should be free).
I came from the auto industry and now own a rural consruction company, we develop new products on a fairly regular basis and my belief is the the first of any new untried product should be tried/built and suppied free of charge to any customer prepared to accept the possible trials or benifits of your new product.If your product is a great success then all good for you and the customer if not he's the one that has put his car/crop/land etc in your hands on the chance you know what your doing and I belive its the least you can do to compensate them for taking the risk with you.
just my thoughts
cheers andrew

[chunderlicious]

i can sort of understand people wanting no labour charges (but would be happy to pay for labour myself) but getting the turbo free is just insane. it is a garrett turbo, tried, trusted, brand new garrett turbo, being proffessionally tuned and given a warranty for however long. plus if anything goes wrong he has his insurance which would still pay for any damages.

HARDEN UP AUSTRALIA

[Tuflux308]

I guess you should keep your opinion to yourself when you obviously dont know what you are talking about

You would be getting a cheap turbo upgrade and pretty much twice the power of stock, nothing is going to go wrong and if it did it would be fixed at Dzltec cost same as any othe turbo kit

Dzltec is being very nice about the whole thing, i can't believe the TIGHTARSE'S!!!!!!!

[thehanko]

I can see both side of this disscussion. Both have merit.

Who wants to pay for something unknown.

Who wants to lose out to work on someone elses truck.

I think the pivot point here is how developed the system is thus far. if its 95% of the way there then the discount from full cost should be small.

if its 50% of a concept then the discount should be large.

Eg I can fit out an imported sea kayak in 30 min, now that I have the system down pat.

However the first one I did took me 4 hours.

So half of 4 hours is still more than what is now a well thought out fit up.

Personally I would be happy to pay for the buy price on the parts.
I would be happy to pay a reduced rate of labour which is comparable to a reduced rate from a established system.

I would not want to pay half rate for dyno time, or working out how to make adaptors etc first time round.

So perhaps a reduced rate on a standard fit up, but no labour charged on 'development' time, which is simply a cost of improving a business.

But in the end all that matters is that you find 1 person who is happy to do the upgrade for the deal you are offering.

This post in the end is about finding a candidate - not debating wether or not you think its right for you.

[chpd80]

To assume that if anything goes wrong with your motor after the installation it will be totally covered by the installer is fooling yourself. Deisels are expensive and I'm sure anyone putting up the money or claiming on their business insurance will want to be very sure that you havent just trashed it yourself by doing something stupid or a fault that is not related to their installation. Beware !!!

[nastytroll]

Andy has done alot of work with TD42 turbo systems and knows his stuff. We are not looking at a back yard fit out, it is a bolt on upgrade.

At the end of the day you would have to do something incredably stupid to kill a TD42, which is unlikely to happen at Deiseltech.

If you are happy getting quality parts cheap and 1/2 price labour to get a good return on a power upgrade then go for it.

We are not talkin bout a 300 RWKW system but an upgrade and given the shit stock turbo set up what have you got to loose.

[TEAMRPM]

Well this has been a very interesting read..


I think than the end results will be good..


Here, ill lend ya this for a bit...

[Brendan-s]

Who wants to lose out to work on someone elses truck.

I fail to see how he'd be losing out? Wants to develop a kit that he will then sell and reap the proceeds from.

Like I said in my first post, paying for parts is completely fair, but paying someone to do R&D on your truck?

[PGS 4WD]

Who wants to lose out to work on someone elses truck.

I fail to see how he'd be losing out? Wants to develop a kit that he will then sell and reap the proceeds from.

Like I said in my first post, paying for parts is completely fair, but paying someone to do R&D on your truck?

It's a small market, It might take 4 kit sales to reach break even, 4 sales might take 12 months. No point doing it if you'd make more interest putting the money in the bank. No body is being forced into it...You could always pay full price on the finished product.

Joel

[TEAMRPM]

If the ruddy ruddy rudster wasnt rippin every poor prick off blind, i think wed all put our hands up...

but with the increase in inflation, fuel, motgages, etc etc.. people are just playin it safe. no one wants to spend money they havent got.

The business should be able to absorb the costs of trial and testing, covering the parts fair enough.

[suggy126]

I can see where zagan is coming from, but in all honesty if you had a vehicle that matched the requirements and wanted a turbo on your truck but were considering doing yourself due to costs, i sure as hell would jump at the deal, risks and all.

I've got an 89 GQ 4.2 diesel that's begging for a turbo, but i'm not rolling in dough and therefore it'll be a rum and mates job as that's what i can afford, now having said that, i ask zagan this,
WHAT WARRENTY WOULD I GET ON MY WORK DONE?

If i found someone offering to fit the thing for cost price parts and 1/2 price labour i'd go hell ye, he's obviously a good shop if he's doing R&D at all, and not every business can burn money (like diesel chip companies) to test a product, plus diesel chips are R&D free because they've never been used before, it's not like this turbo has been built and never used before, he wants to find out if it will work well for his application.

[turps]

Who bloody cares. Would you lot pull your heads in. He has made and offer. And I believe he has found someone that has taken it up. If it goes pear shape, I am sure he will do the righty.

But at the end of the day a minor upgrade to a TD42 isnt going to kill it. As this guy is a skilled operator. Where as there are heaps of other shops that are totally guessing and have no idea fitting bigger things and they dont kill things very often.

[bogged]

And I believe he has found someone that has taken it up. If it goes pear shape, I am sure he will do the righty..

and got a courtesy car

[Ben]

But at the end of the day a minor upgrade to a TD42 isnt going to kill it. As this guy is a skilled operator. Where as there are heaps of other shops that are totally guessing and have no idea fitting bigger things and they dont kill things very often.

I don't have an issue with his skill, or the fact that there's a risk he'll hurt the vehicle. I'm more pointing out that fact that he expects someone to pay for the privilege of being carless for 5 days so that he can develop a system that will make him money.

Sure they get parts for it, but for me, getting to pay for parts and half his R&D work ain't that much of a sweet deal, unless I was getting a cut out of the subsequent work, which I'm sure he ain't offering.

When snorkel companies have wanted to borrow Jeeps for example to R&D on new models, they don't expect you to pay for the part and half the fitting fee, it's all free. To me, that's a fair deal.

[Guy]

But at the end of the day a minor upgrade to a TD42 isnt going to kill it. As this guy is a skilled operator. Where as there are heaps of other shops that are totally guessing and have no idea fitting bigger things and they dont kill things very often.

I don't have an issue with his skill, or the fact that there's a risk he'll hurt the vehicle. I'm more pointing out that fact that he expects someone to pay for the privilege of being carless for 5 days so that he can develop a system that will make him money.

Sure they get parts for it, but for me, getting to pay for parts and half his R&D work ain't that much of a sweet deal, unless I was getting a cut out of the subsequent work, which I'm sure he ain't offering.

When snorkel companies have wanted to borrow Jeeps for example to R&D on new models, they don't expect you to pay for the part and half the fitting fee, it's all free. To me, that's a fair deal.

Fititng asnorkle is harly akin to installing and testing a turbo.

[bogged]

When snorkel companies have wanted to borrow Jeeps for example to R&D on new models, they don't expect you to pay for the part and half the fitting fee, it's all free. To me, that's a fair deal.

one of the blokes from here had his GQ used for a 'template' for pillar pods.

After it was all finished, he wasnt even offered a decent discount, let alone a freeby.

[madrolla68]

Parts at cost, NO LABOUR thats what we do on stuff like this.

Its only fair the company pays for its own R&D labour time.

Matt

[turps]

I don't have an issue with his skill, or the fact that there's a risk he'll hurt the vehicle. I'm more pointing out that fact that he expects someone to pay for the privilege of being carless for 5 days so that he can develop a system that will make him money.

Sure they get parts for it, but for me, getting to pay for parts and half his R&D work ain't that much of a sweet deal, unless I was getting a cut out of the subsequent work, which I'm sure he ain't offering.

When snorkel companies have wanted to borrow Jeeps for example to R&D on new models, they don't expect you to pay for the part and half the fitting fee, it's all free. To me, that's a fair deal.

But what I said in the other half of my post is the important thing. He offered a deal and some one took it up.

[bogged]

But what I said in the other half of my post is the important thing. He offered a deal and some one took it up.

They started on it today.

The new turbo has arrived. (Secret squirrel)
The Factory Turbo and some shiz is off ... (and forsale )

All is going well.

I let Andy know he can keep the car for weekend if need be. I want it right, and give him the best opportunity to get it right.

To those that have PM'ed asking about costs and shiz, call Andy. Hes a great bloke and does know his shiz. Hes worked on my truck in the past, and I was happy with the results back then! So wouldnt hesitate in giving him the car to work on again.

He doesnt bite, infact hes more than willing to talk to people about options with tuning, and stuff.

YMMV.

[TEAMRPM]

I let Andy know he can keep the car for weekend if need be. I want it right, and give him the best opportunity to get it right.

Bruce does this mean where stuck with you on outers over the weekend cause you cant wheel?

[msjc38]

Bogged will have all the bragging rights soon & all those who put in there 2 bobs worth about it "should be done for free" "he should be paying us" if they want it done they will probably pay full price. So suck shit. It sound like this guy knows his shit its worth paying a reduced labour rate to have a profesional work on & tune your car for what 8/10 people on this sight want to acheive

[Ben]

But what I said in the other half of my post is the important thing. He offered a deal and some one took it up.

Yeah but come on, it was bogged.

[turps]

But what I said in the other half of my post is the important thing. He offered a deal and some one took it up.

Yeah but come on, it was bogged.

Yer well it did catch me off guard the fact bogged was going to pay that much. As he is the biggest tight arse I know.
Suppose he hasn't paid for it yet.

[bogged]

I let Andy know he can keep the car for weekend if need be. I want it right, and give him the best opportunity to get it right.

Bruce does this mean where stuck with you on outers over the weekend cause you cant wheel?

lend me ya ute, and I'll take cammo out the track, Im sure he wont complain :D:D:D

[Struth]

Bogged will have all the bragging rights soon & all those who put in there 2 bobs worth about it "should be done for free" "he should be paying us" if they want it done they will probably pay full price. So suck shit. It sound like this guy knows his shit its worth paying a reduced labour rate to have a profesional work on & tune your car for what 8/10 people on this sight want to acheive

I have trouble copping the emotion this thread has caused.

No-one says Bogged or anyone else shouldn't have taken this offer up and personally I will be stoked if Bogged is more than a little pleased with the outcome.

But this thread moved away from the original offer of a cheap upgrade and into a discussion on should or should we not pay to have our vehicles used as guinea pigs.

People shouldn't take it so personally.

Cheers

[TEAMRPM]

Bogged will have all the bragging rights soon & all those who put in there 2 bobs worth about it "should be done for free" "he should be paying us" if they want it done they will probably pay full price. So suck shit. It sound like this guy knows his shit its worth paying a reduced labour rate to have a profesional work on & tune your car for what 8/10 people on this sight want to acheive

I have trouble copping the emotion this thread has caused.

No-one says Bogged or anyone else shouldn't have taken this offer up and personally I will be stoked if Bogged is more than a little pleased with the outcome.

But this thread moved away from the original offer of a cheap upgrade and into a discussion on should or should we not pay to have our vehicles used as guinea pigs.

People shouldn't take it so personally.

Cheers

Funny thing is if it were FREE, someone would still complain..

[TEAMRPM]

I let Andy know he can keep the car for weekend if need be. I want it right, and give him the best opportunity to get it right.

Bruce does this mean where stuck with you on outers over the weekend cause you cant wheel?

lend me ya ute, and I'll take cammo out the track, Im sure he wont complain :D:D:D

Sorry Ol mate... but ill lend you this one.. -flinstone powered

[Brendan-s]

Bogged will have all the bragging rights soon & all those who put in there 2 bobs worth about it "should be done for free" "he should be paying us" if they want it done they will probably pay full price. So suck shit. It sound like this guy knows his shit its worth paying a reduced labour rate to have a profesional work on & tune your car for what 8/10 people on this sight want to acheive

The fairies from la-la-land just flew in again!

[dogbreath_48]

The other option is to get a custom made BB turbo kit and pay full labour, or wait till DZLTEC is selling exactly the same setup and pay full price.

[bogged]

Sorry Ol mate... but ill lend you this one.. -flinstone powered

I need the exercise :(