I know of one place but are there any others???
Also, Has anyone used these? Are they worth it?
Will be fabbing custom shock mounts, longer shackes as well
Thanks!
Dave
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DaveS3 wrote:Ben,
Can you post some info on how you designed your leaves...?
i want more travel, and the ride wont get any worse, so i dont really care about that!
The truck gets reasonable travel know, but the shocks limit it terribly, and i thought that parabolics and longer shocks would make a difference, but if there are more options like modded spings, i would like to find out about this and do this mod once, properly.
Dave
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Hi Slunnie,Slunnie wrote:Ben,
I've got a SeriesII 109 with an aluminium tray, V8 and ZF/LT230 and hoping to fit Petrol Shorty 200lb/in 9 leaf springs to the front and the 166lb/in 11 leaf rear springs. I'm looking for articulation, more so than load carrying capacity.
With the excellent spring guide above, when the springs are reset to your specifications, how does this alter the ride height? I'm assuming by the free lengths that it brings the front up by 5" and the rear by about 6" (excluding weight differences). Also, with this much free camber, I'm assuming that they need to be running the military shackles front and rear.
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Thanks for this Ben.ISUZUROVER wrote:Hi Slunnie,Slunnie wrote:Ben,
I've got a SeriesII 109 with an aluminium tray, V8 and ZF/LT230 and hoping to fit Petrol Shorty 200lb/in 9 leaf springs to the front and the 166lb/in 11 leaf rear springs. I'm looking for articulation, more so than load carrying capacity.
With the excellent spring guide above, when the springs are reset to your specifications, how does this alter the ride height? I'm assuming by the free lengths that it brings the front up by 5" and the rear by about 6" (excluding weight differences). Also, with this much free camber, I'm assuming that they need to be running the military shackles front and rear.
My springs sat 1-2" higher. Military shacles not necessary.
However - you have a lighter engine. Can you get the weights of each corner? And estimate the static camber you want? If so, I can do the calcs for your springs.
The 4-pot is quite heavy, but to be honest I am not sure. I seem to remember the Stage 1 has a lighter front end...Slunnie wrote:Thanks for this Ben.ISUZUROVER wrote:Hi Slunnie,Slunnie wrote:Ben,
I've got a SeriesII 109 with an aluminium tray, V8 and ZF/LT230 and hoping to fit Petrol Shorty 200lb/in 9 leaf springs to the front and the 166lb/in 11 leaf rear springs. I'm looking for articulation, more so than load carrying capacity.
With the excellent spring guide above, when the springs are reset to your specifications, how does this alter the ride height? I'm assuming by the free lengths that it brings the front up by 5" and the rear by about 6" (excluding weight differences). Also, with this much free camber, I'm assuming that they need to be running the military shackles front and rear.
My springs sat 1-2" higher. Military shacles not necessary.
However - you have a lighter engine. Can you get the weights of each corner? And estimate the static camber you want? If so, I can do the calcs for your springs.
Is a V8/ZF/LT230 lighter than the 4banger setup?![]()
I'm really not sure what it would weigh in that case.... perhaps an option is to also pull a leaf from the front then.
The car is at work at the moment (workshop) though I would like something between a true 2-3" static lift and full articulation. I don't want to go over 3" lift though to keep overall lift at 6". The Xmember is about to be notched to allow propshaft clearance.
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Thanks for this Ben, I appreciate the effort you're putting in here.ISUZUROVER wrote:The 4-pot is quite heavy, but to be honest I am not sure. I seem to remember the Stage 1 has a lighter front end...
You will get the best travel when the springs are almost flat at static loaded camber (ride height), so - if possible, it would be better to run military shackles (and hangers if possible), and flatter springs.
So I take it you can't weigh each corner? I can give you my best guess at spring cambers next week then if that is the case.
the SWB rears will be interesting. My rears are 250lb/in or so. With 1.1 tonne on the back the axle is a few mm off the bump stops. SWB springs will need a LOT of free camber, but should be doable if you have a reallyt light rear end. You will be the first to my knowledge.
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Happens to Suzuki's as well, when they lose a tyre on the step out of a boghole, and get yanked out by a Rangie.....There shouldn't be any worry with inversion - that seems to be just a toyota problem
Interesting... Maybe having the shackles at the rear (on a landie) helps...?RangingRover wrote:Happens to Suzuki's as well, when they lose a tyre on the step out of a boghole, and get yanked out by a Rangie.....There shouldn't be any worry with inversion - that seems to be just a toyota problem
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I had a think about this for a bit and agree with you, but if I start to reengineer the suspension then I'll more than likely link it all up instead to cure wrap problems and it lets me set the geometry. Its a weekends work to do the rear for me and I have a linked axle ready to put in, but the front is a bit more mucking around which I'm not yet ready to do. The front leaf spring length I think is a real limiting factor in these (and I tend to think that you've gotten as much out of this setup as whats going to come), but I also think that the cross member under the front prop is a limiting factor also. I'm currently putting a recess into the Xmember to give more shaft clearance for drop travel, so hopefully that will allow more suspension options a little later down the track also.... without having to pull the engine again.ISUZUROVER wrote:Interesting... Maybe having the shackles at the rear (on a landie) helps...?RangingRover wrote:Happens to Suzuki's as well, when they lose a tyre on the step out of a boghole, and get yanked out by a Rangie.....There shouldn't be any worry with inversion - that seems to be just a toyota problem
At full droop on the front, my shackles are pointing at the axle housing, but as mentioned, they have never inverted.
Slunnie - if you have to go through engineering, and you will be running big wheels, it might be worth considering running rear springs up front as well.
I am happy with my setup, and I think I have about 90% out of it. A link between the axle and the bumper area will apparently solve any axle tramp issues (not that these are major) - but I will probably try this in future. I could possibly also do with longer shocks and relocated upper mounts (but I have a mil chassis with the bump stop spacer removed). I have about 15" of travel front and rear. I could run softer rears like you are planning, but I like the balanced travel and ability to still carry a load.Slunnie wrote:I had a think about this for a bit and agree with you, but if I start to reengineer the suspension then I'll more than likely link it all up instead to cure wrap problems and it lets me set the geometry. Its a weekends work to do the rear for me and I have a linked axle ready to put in, but the front is a bit more mucking around which I'm not yet ready to do. The front leaf spring length I think is a real limiting factor in these (and I tend to think that you've gotten as much out of this setup as whats going to come), but I also think that the cross member under the front prop is a limiting factor also. I'm currently putting a recess into the Xmember to give more shaft clearance for drop travel, so hopefully that will allow more suspension options a little later down the track also.... without having to pull the engine again.ISUZUROVER wrote:Interesting... Maybe having the shackles at the rear (on a landie) helps...?RangingRover wrote:Happens to Suzuki's as well, when they lose a tyre on the step out of a boghole, and get yanked out by a Rangie.....There shouldn't be any worry with inversion - that seems to be just a toyota problem
At full droop on the front, my shackles are pointing at the axle housing, but as mentioned, they have never inverted.
Slunnie - if you have to go through engineering, and you will be running big wheels, it might be worth considering running rear springs up front as well.
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