how to tell if u have seized a 2h

[richardsc]

just recently got a new 60 series diesel,last fri,any ways it was running awsomely,but just before i took it for a spin and the motor died in the arse,i got it going a couple of times to try limp home,i was less than 4kms from home,i noticed oil light was on,but it only came on when engine was dieing,checked oil and yep only just registered on the dip stick,so walked home,got in my fj 60 and drove to get me some diesel oil for the hj 60,but it wont turn over

question is how does one tell if they have fubared (stuffed up there engine)

[Z()LTAN]

try and physically turn it over by hand (socket and bar on the front crank pulley)

If it turns over, check cylinder compression

If it starts, remove oil filler cap and dip stick, if it has lots of fumes or pressure coming out of it then the bores/rings are FUBAR

Its pritty easy to tell if its not right.

[richardsc]

ill suss that out,thanks mate

[richardsc]

well radiator is in the way so cant get the bar through to try manually turning it over,bloody diesels,fits into the fj 60 perfectly,so still not sure,ill have to try a socket from above i guess,or take radiator off its mounts to access the pulley,gawd i hope i havnt cooked it,i actually enjoyed driving it,and its almost got a full tank of juice,why do cars stuff up when u fill the buggers up,maybe its just me,lol

[thehanko]

put it in 5th gear and get some one to tow you along with the clutch in, then when your going at say 20k's let the clutch out. if it turns over then good sign if it locks the rear tyres then its seized.

use 5th gear as it will require the least effort to turn it over, but 2nd should be ok as well, use 2nd if your actually trying to roll start it as it will increase the crank speed.

this by passes other possible reasons for not truning over such as electrical system, battery, starter, solenoid. blah blah blah.

[richardsc]

well i tried that in second,i was on the nature strip,it just skidded,so im thinking ive fried the donk ):,i drove the car 2 hours home from person i bought it off,it went awsomely,took it for a spin the following day,also went great,had good oil pressure ect,but yeah thought id give it a run today,started up fine,i travelled roughly 3 kms,when it started running erracticly,then it cut out so i pulled over,noticed oil light and temp was up slightly over half way,so fired it up to limp home,got maybe 200 metres down the rd and it then went erratic again and cut out,so tried to fire it and also went say another 2 to 3 hundred metres before it went eraticly again,then conked out,after that i couldnt start it again,it wasnt turning over,it didnt smell like it had cooked,and i didnt hear a bang,the previous owner said it had issues with cutting out,but he had fixed it,something to do with bleeding the fuel line if memory serves me correctly

i should have checked the oil anyways,grrrrrrrrrr if ive cooked it,lucky i bought it cheaply i guess

[Nat84]

well i tried that in second,i was on the nature strip,it just skidded,so im thinking ive fried the donk ):,i drove the car 2 hours home from person i bought it off,it went awsomely,took it for a spin the following day,also went great,had good oil pressure ect,but yeah thought id give it a run today,started up fine,i travelled roughly 3 kms,when it started running erracticly,then it cut out so i pulled over,noticed oil light and temp was up slightly over half way,so fired it up to limp home,got maybe 200 metres down the rd and it then went erratic again and cut out,so tried to fire it and also went say another 2 to 3 hundred metres before it went eraticly again,then conked out,after that i couldnt start it again,it wasnt turning over,it didnt smell like it had cooked,and i didnt hear a bang,the previous owner said it had issues with cutting out,but he had fixed it,something to do with bleeding the fuel line if memory serves me correctly



i should have checked the oil anyways,grrrrrrrrrr if ive cooked it,lucky i bought it cheaply i guess

if oil level is low it wil cut out to

[joel HJ60]

well i tried that in second,i was on the nature strip,it just skidded,so im thinking ive fried the donk ):,i drove the car 2 hours home from person i bought it off,it went awsomely,took it for a spin the following day,also went great,had good oil pressure ect,but yeah thought id give it a run today,started up fine,i travelled roughly 3 kms,when it started running erracticly,then it cut out so i pulled over,noticed oil light and temp was up slightly over half way,so fired it up to limp home,got maybe 200 metres down the rd and it then went erratic again and cut out,so tried to fire it and also went say another 2 to 3 hundred metres before it went eraticly again,then conked out,after that i couldnt start it again,it wasnt turning over,it didnt smell like it had cooked,and i didnt hear a bang,the previous owner said it had issues with cutting out,but he had fixed it,something to do with bleeding the fuel line if memory serves me correctly



i should have checked the oil anyways,grrrrrrrrrr if ive cooked it,lucky i bought it cheaply i guess

if oil level is low it wil cut out to

NO. If oil pressure is low it will cut out!

[richardsc]

well previous owner had the control rod off cause it was cutting out,so it wasnt on,so motor couldnt have cut out that way,id say his cutting out issues were due to low oil pressure trying to cut engine ,im new to diesels and didnt realise it did that,should have read my manual earlier,i was all set to head to the wreckers for bits today to,been waiting for my days off,think ill concentrate on the petrol 60 and my 40,s ,and see whatr to do with my new p.o.s,lol,i was going to ute chop it,maybe slot a 350 chev in,or don a turbo on the 2h,or theres always the 12ht option,but yeah,money,lol,i have 5 landcruisers now,so getting another one might see me getting castrated,hmmmmm

[82 Lux]

Have you tried to drain the fuel filter/water separator or change the fuel filter.

If you have a blocked fuel filter it start, run for a bit and then die as the turbulence of the flow of fuel will stir up all the muck in the filter and block it.

[richardsc]

thiis it stopped turning over,if it was fuel related,it should still try to turn over,but i tryed jump starting it as after the last time it conked out it was trying to turn over,but did the flat battery thing,so theres always that possability,i have a spanking battery in the 45 so i can try that,but the 60 has a dual battery set up,and one is brand new as well apparently,but i guess i could have flattened it with trying to start it,fingers crossed anyways

[richardsc]

also the low oil pressure light is now stuck on when i turn car on,that cant be a good sign

[thehanko]

was trying to turn over and now isnt... water filled a cylinder? cracked head... ran like fark... then stopped and filled with water now wont turn over? water being hard to compress and all.

does the rad smell like chemiweld per chance?

one possibility? but who knows till you rip it down.

not the end of the world if you were going to rip the engine out anyway, but still sucks dude.

[richardsc]

well the thing is it was running great,till it conked out,the radiator is full,a coolant looks a ok,it didnt smell,nor did the engine smell cooked,ill have a tinker in the morning if i siezed it cause of lack of oil,i bought it with ute chop and 350 chev in mind,but after driving it actually liked the diesel so was thinking turbo,fingers crossed i havnt stuffed it,thanks for everyones replys

[Chucky]

Your oil light wont go out until the engine has been running for a few seconds. Pressure needs to build from the oil pump first which requires the engine to be turning over (even under battery). Same as when you pulled over when the engine died, the oil light was on because the engine wasn't turning over.

Also you tried to roll and clutch it ont he nature strip in 2nd. I am assuming it was on grass, and I would think that second gear on grass in a diesel would lock the wheels. I would try it on the road in 4th just to see if it turns over.
Also, if you have colasped the battery the starter motor will just go 'click'. I've had a couple of batteries that worked fine all day then just died and wouldn't start the car. One of those was in a 14month old commordore (And holden only warrenty batteries for 1 year, even on new cars)

The whole run then die thing, with a full rad, and only slightly hot I would be looking at fuel. Was the car sitting for a while before you bought it?
Since there was oil still on the stick, and the engine was only slight hotter (remember oil is there to lubricate AND cool the engine) I wouldnt be overly concerned about seizing it.....at least not yet.
I'd try a new battery and disconnect the duel battery (remember if it is flattened as well it will try and charge off the new batter while you are kicking it over). Once I'd confirmed it would turn over I'd be changing fuel filters and checking the fuel system for growth.
If it didn't turn over I'd pull the injectors and try turning it over again.

Just the way I go about it.

[thehanko]

Your oil light wont go out until the engine has been running for a few seconds. Pressure needs to build from the oil pump first which requires the engine to be turning over (even under battery). Same as when you pulled over when the engine died, the oil light was on because the engine wasn't turning over.

Also you tried to roll and clutch it ont he nature strip in 2nd. I am assuming it was on grass, and I would think that second gear on grass in a diesel would lock the wheels. I would try it on the road in 4th just to see if it turns over.
Also, if you have colasped the battery the starter motor will just go 'click'. I've had a couple of batteries that worked fine all day then just died and wouldn't start the car. One of those was in a 14month old commordore (And holden only warrenty batteries for 1 year, even on new cars)

The whole run then die thing, with a full rad, and only slightly hot I would be looking at fuel. Was the car sitting for a while before you bought it?
Since there was oil still on the stick, and the engine was only slight hotter (remember oil is there to lubricate AND cool the engine) I wouldnt be overly concerned about seizing it.....at least not yet.
I'd try a new battery and disconnect the duel battery (remember if it is flattened as well it will try and charge off the new batter while you are kicking it over). Once I'd confirmed it would turn over I'd be changing fuel filters and checking the fuel system for growth.
If it didn't turn over I'd pull the injectors and try turning it over again.

Just the way I go about it.

good advice me thinks

[chpd80]

I vote fuel related, pretty sure you could drive an old 2h motor for 4 kms with no oil without seizing, damn strong those things.
If its got good compression it would lock up on grass in 2nd.
very interested in finding out what it is keep us posted.

[richardsc]

an excellent point there,diesels on grass in second are always gunna lock up with bump starts,the temp did go up to 3 quarters,but radiator is full as a goog,and the oil on the dipstick only was just registering,and dirty as,but its topped up and golden now,hopefully it is fuel related then,ill try the good battery from my 45 ute first,then look at the fuel system,ill keep everyone posted,thanks for the replys

[ferrit]

and on the 2H, and 1HZ- Even with the oil only JUST showing on the dipstick, theres still close to 8-10L floating around in the sump!

[richardsc]

ok im back from picng up ebay sourced parts for the new beast/piece,still yet to decise,lol,naah its still a beast,so will go try a good battery first,to rule that out,and if no go will wait for it to quieten down then try bump starting it out on the road,unless i can get out in the sun,move my radiator to get the bar through to manually turn it over,ill report back my findings

[richardsc]

well back to report that car rolls in gear out on the road,so yay not seized,still wouldnt start with bump starts,im thinking fuel,previous owner said it had some fueling issue,but also that he had fixed it,i still cant get it to turn over by key either,so another thing to think about,will have a look see in the manual,thanks for everyones replys to,new to diesels,so lots to learn,im gunna keep it a diesel for now,perhaps slot a turbo on down the track

[Chucky]

Change the fuel filter first up, and check it to see if anything is growing in it, sometimes diesel gets a bacteria growing in it and it can be a PITA to get rid of it. It will block up everything in the fuel system from filters, and lines to an sort of restriction in the system.
As for not turning over, did you disconnect the duel battery and more inmportantly did you swap out the right batter? The main battery will have a heavy cable running directly to the starter motor. I would check at the soliniode that you are getting good power when you turn the key. You may have fried the starter cranking it over so often when it first went down.
If all the above is good I'd look at a fuel shut off soliniod being stuck closed or a fuel blockage.

[richardsc]

thankschucky,ill check that out,also there is a chance i fried the starter,as it smoked up a fair wack,so another possability,ill check,also i havnt done the battery thing so will try that to,thanks for the tips,much appreciated

[Chucky]

If the starter was smoking, it's most likely stuffed.

(That was a bit of info that could have been handy a few posts ago )

[richardsc]

well the wires smoked up a treat,but that was after the car had conked out a few times,and after it was trying to turn over,i held the key on to long so the wires from the starter cooked up and yeah,another thing to look at,but that wasnt the original reason the car was cutting out,but yes its probably another thing i need to fix,lol

[oldmate]

when you check the fuel system, make sure you clean out the water seperator, which is on the inside of the driver side chassis rail, about half way. It often gets overlooked being back there by itself. Also won't hurt to blow the lines back into the tank.

[geemul]

Hi mate,

Everything you've been told is good stuff.

Replace the filters, check the sedimenter (water trap) attached to the chassis rails. I once got about half a dozen bee's out of that thing on my HJ47 (same engine as yours) figure that one!

Get some diesel fuel conditioner from somewhere, they all contain a biocide. The algae grows in diesel at the fuel - water interface. There will always be a drop or two of water rolling about in the bottom of your tank.

I'd even pull the injectors out of the engine, all 6 of them and then turn the engine over on the starter motor.
It'll cost you nothing to do it and may reveal a lot. If nothing spews out and the engine turns over fast and fine it's not siezed and the head gasket is intact.

A heap of water from one or more cylinders indicates head gasket problems.

Not turning over at all will show either a siezed donk or buggered starter motor.

Don't forget to pull the rod off the EDIC motor before you turn the engine without injectors otherwise there'll be fuel everywhere!

Hope that helps,

Geoff

[richardsc]

thanks mate,i have the next 2 days off so will have a play with it,see whats going on in there

[revin]

For memory my old HJ60 used to hold like 10.?L of oil,So when you topped it up how much did it take to get it up the dip stick ???

secondly as already posted,change over your fuel filter,then i`d say either pressure bleed the system {air compressor into fuel tank and crack open the bleed nipple} then try to clutch start. Or pull your fuel line off before the pump,rig up a oil container with some fuel and strap it down,then try to start {clutch what ever} it should run OK this way as you`d be getting clean fresh fuel from your container.

[Shadow]

if oil was showing on the dipstick at all, you had more than enough to keep the engine lubed.