Re-gassing the AC w/ LPG

[ISUZUROVER]

well F#@k me..

maybe i should go to work tomorrow and tell Chuck not to pay for Toms air con ticket then seeing as how you only need to read outerlimits and then you are legally allowed to fill up your air con system with a BBQ bottle

surely i shouldnt need to explain to a couple of experts in the industry why encouraging that on a public forum is a bad idea



and a few more for good luck

Have you read the thread???

To LEGALLY regass with HC you need an AC ticket etc... But the bottom line is that HC is legal (and obviously considered safe by the powers that be) - if done by a pro.

Although the thread started looking at BBQ bottle regassing, the risks are the same.

EDIT - as I posted on the first page (this is from an AC installer):

It's actually legal in ALL states in Australia - but in Queensland you have to get approval from the Gas Examiners Office - but they won't give it to individuals.

For a while it was banned in NSW - but from pressure within our industry the Clause (242) was repealled in early 2005 when DellaBosca was in the seat for that sort of thing.

[RUFF]

well F#@k me..

maybe i should go to work tomorrow and tell Chuck not to pay for Toms air con ticket then seeing as how you only need to read outerlimits and then you are legally allowed to fill up your air con system with a BBQ bottle

surely i shouldnt need to explain to a couple of experts in the industry why encouraging that on a public forum is a bad idea



and a few more for good luck

Have you read the thread???

To LEGALLY regass with HC you need an AC ticket etc... But the bottom line is that HC is legal (and obviously considered safe by the powers that be) - if done by a pro.

Although the thread started looking at BBQ bottle regassing, the risks are the same.

EDIT - as I posted on the first page (this is from an AC installer):

It's actually legal in ALL states in Australia - but in Queensland you have to get approval from the Gas Examiners Office - but they won't give it to individuals.

For a while it was banned in NSW - but from pressure within our industry the Clause (242) was repealled in early 2005 when DellaBosca was in the seat for that sort of thing.

Ben the bottom line is this thread is telling people to go ahead and use LPG and install it yourself. Not go to a licenced repairer and use HC. HC and LPG although you may say they are similar they are not the same.

Bottom line we are talking about LPG not HC.

[80lsy gq]

yep i have read the thread...

you got on your high horse when i had a go at Kiwi Bacon for being god almighty and encouraging people to refill their own ac system....his comments and others were making it seem to people that it was ok to do so...


some of his and ME3s and even your statements and i quote...

Then refilled the system with the LPG barbie bottle and a home-made hose

a few people have used BBQ LPG - e.g. Dougal and me3 on here, and it seems to be working OK for them

2 cars for one year. One was originally R12, the other originally R134a.
No regrets, no problems at all.

Hychill and other commercial hydrocarbon refrigerants are not available here, that's why I've done it.

and then you get some replies from people like this...

Do you have to replace any seals etc to run the lpg in there? My gas has leaked outta my cruiser and I'm to tight to get it regassed

Where might one buy the fittings to attach from you gas bottle to the air con ?

I have been to a few aircon places to have them regas it with the adapter fittings and all they want to do it sell me a heap of other crap that comes in at about $500. This is why i took intrest in using LPG

so yes you have spoken about Hychill but as you say the thread started about BBQ gas and refilling your own system..if somebody needs to ask on a 4wd forum about filling their own air con system then they obviously dont have the knowledge to be doing it and shouldnt be encouraged to do so...

anyway i am sure you will misread what i am trying to get across and quote me with more of your arguments of quotes from other forums about Hychill, so i am off to work...

might take my barby bottle in with me

[80lsy gq]

also quoted from your land rover forum from Ladas

Firstly lets get the facts straight.

You do not use LPG in air conditioning systems - standard LPG is irregular in the HC content so matching pressure/teperatures curves would be impossible

dave

[me3@neuralfibre.com]

Yeah yeah

Interesting that it works so well though, and poses no risk above what's commercially available.

Blah blah professionals blah blah

Like I trust a mechanic with my cruiser.

Works for me. What ppl choose to do from an internet forum is their own business. It definately is NOT your place to be attempting to restrict information for THEIR own good. Censorship went out the window with the nazis. Internet forums can encourage whatever they like. Crazy idea's like electric french cars even.

FYI 80lsy - the XF was the one parked behind you at the steel yard the other day when you were towing the disco, AC on and oh so cold.

Apprentices should be encouraged to think more and repeat rote crap less. Might give us a new lot of tradies that can acutally think.

Paul

[ISUZUROVER]

well F#@k me..

maybe i should go to work tomorrow and tell Chuck not to pay for Toms air con ticket then seeing as how you only need to read outerlimits and then you are legally allowed to fill up your air con system with a BBQ bottle

surely i shouldnt need to explain to a couple of experts in the industry why encouraging that on a public forum is a bad idea



and a few more for good luck

Have you read the thread???

To LEGALLY regass with HC you need an AC ticket etc... But the bottom line is that HC is legal (and obviously considered safe by the powers that be) - if done by a pro.

Although the thread started looking at BBQ bottle regassing, the risks are the same.

EDIT - as I posted on the first page (this is from an AC installer):

It's actually legal in ALL states in Australia - but in Queensland you have to get approval from the Gas Examiners Office - but they won't give it to individuals.

For a while it was banned in NSW - but from pressure within our industry the Clause (242) was repealled in early 2005 when DellaBosca was in the seat for that sort of thing.

Ben the bottom line is this thread is telling people to go ahead and use LPG and install it yourself. Not go to a licenced repairer and use HC. HC and LPG although you may say they are similar they are not the same.

Bottom line we are talking about LPG not HC.

Tony And Dave - fair enough...

As I said early on. It costs bugger all to get a system professionally regassed with HYCHILL. So that is the way I will be going when I get my system refitted.

[RUFF]

Yeah yeah

Interesting that it works so well though, and poses no risk above what's commercially available.

Blah blah professionals blah blah

Like I trust a mechanic with my cruiser.

Works for me. What ppl choose to do from an internet forum is their own business. It definately is NOT your place to be attempting to restrict information for THEIR own good. Censorship went out the window with the nazis. Internet forums can encourage whatever they like. Crazy idea's like electric french cars even.

FYI 80lsy - the XF was the one parked behind you at the steel yard the other day when you were towing the disco, AC on and oh so cold.

Apprentices should be encouraged to think more and repeat rote crap less. Might give us a new lot of tradies that can acutally think.

Paul

Paul 2 questions. What is it you do for a living and what licences do you hold for working with either LPG or Refrigeration Gases?

[me3@neuralfibre.com]

Yeah yeah

Interesting that it works so well though, and poses no risk above what's commercially available.

Blah blah professionals blah blah

Like I trust a mechanic with my cruiser.

Works for me. What ppl choose to do from an internet forum is their own business. It definately is NOT your place to be attempting to restrict information for THEIR own good. Censorship went out the window with the nazis. Internet forums can encourage whatever they like. Crazy idea's like electric french cars even.

FYI 80lsy - the XF was the one parked behind you at the steel yard the other day when you were towing the disco, AC on and oh so cold.

Apprentices should be encouraged to think more and repeat rote crap less. Might give us a new lot of tradies that can acutally think.

Paul

Paul 2 questions. What is it you do for a living and what licences do you hold for working with either LPG or Refrigeration Gases?

Oh, I would never do something like this myself. It's just an imaginary fairy story I wrote for the internet. Doing something like this would be naughty.

Paul

[RUFF]

Are you retarded? I asked 2 simple questions. And you cant answer them?

[me3@neuralfibre.com]

Are you retarded? I asked 2 simple questions. And you cant answer them?

Might be.
Go ask Chuck.

And my job is taking the piss out of mechanics that believe
a) More steel, uggh, heavier is better.
b) Rigid is stronger. Stronger is better.
c) There is no substiute for cubes
d) If it was good enough for my great grandpa, and I learnt it that way as an apprentice, I should never bother using my brain in that space again.

Paul

[Ruffy]

Are you retarded? I asked 2 simple questions. And you cant answer them?

Finally someone else can see it.
Go on, go whinge to the moderators again cos i'm picking on Paul.
Oh hang, wasn't it you that claimed "What ppl choose to do from an internet forum is their own business"
So surely you wouldn't sook about someone expressing an opinion..


Paul? Is your ideal world one where everybody fixes there own car? and perhaps we could all build our own houses, after all it's only nailing wood together, and i guess we should do all the wiring ourselves as well and plumbing... My god.. here's an idea, let's all become completely self sufficient...
It's fine for you to tell others your stories and findings.. it may help someone, but for you to treat it like gospel and to preach that all mechanics are wrong shows a complete miss understanding of the industry and a strong narrow mindedness on your behalf...

That is all..

[KiwiBacon]

This thread has now strayed from the original topic and now into comments and questions that seem nothing but personal.

Here's my last comment on the matter.

Some people cannot be trusted with a pair of nail-scissors. To dumb the whole of society down to their level would indeed be tragic.

[RUFF]

This thread has now strayed from the original topic and now into comments and questions that seem nothing but personal.

Here's my last comment on the matter.

Some people cannot be trusted with a pair of nail-scissors. To dumb the whole of society down to their level would indeed be tragic.

Really I never really noticed it stayed on the original topic from the start. I thought the thread started as an untrained person telling people it was quite safe and easy to fill your AC system with LPG at home. It then strayed off topic into comments about Hychill which is not LPG and not what the OP was talking about using. Then to other people trying to make sure other untrained people realise the risks involved in using LPG. Then again to others trying to convince people that what they are saying is gospel and you all should listen to them otherwise they are going to continue replying untill the internet is full or everyone bows down and agreas they are correct

[80lsy gq]

Are you retarded? I asked 2 simple questions. And you cant answer them?

Might be.
Go ask Chuck.

actually i did ask him today about you and he cant pick who you are...he also wasnt to happy about someone on his forum telling people to illegally gas their air con systems with a BBQ bottle..

check and mate..

also my last post on this matter as hopefully i have at least got my point across re illegally gassing an air con system

dave

[GRIMACE]

it works well, i gassed mine up today, now i cant have a bbq thou cause i used the whole bottle!!!

[-Scott-]

Damn! I really gotta read more careful.

I filled my BBQ with Hychill and now my steak is frozen.

[phippsy]

it works well, i gassed mine up today, now i cant have a bbq thou cause i used the whole bottle!!!

If I run out of gas at the bbq, can I use some out of the cruiser's a/c??

[Jock]

great thread with heaps of info Certainly helped me understand the differences in the different refrigerant gases available.

I think Me3 is making a point that working on simple systems is easy if you, stop look and understand that the laws of physics still apply to everything.

I am sure he didn't just get a bit of garden hose, two worm drive hose clamps, and a bottle of lpg from 1962 he found down the dump, and hook it up to his camira and start cranking in the LPG, with a stubby in one hand and ciggy hanging out the corner of his mouth.

He did do some research, he does understand pressures and how the system works, he did understand the properties of LPG, he did some more research, and did some more research.

Paul? Is your ideal world one where everybody fixes there own car? and perhaps we could all build our own houses, after all it's only nailing wood together, and i guess we should do all the wiring ourselves as well and plumbing... My god.. here's an idea, let's all become completely self sufficient...

How many people play with their own tyres on here? A pressure vessel that kills many more people than air con but tyres cost a lot so it will be right.

take the infomation and do what you want with it. If you think LPG is just for BBq's then just use it in your BBQ ( don't touch the hot plate ,its hot)

If you can see other ideas from it and don't have the brains or the confidence to use it safetly then find a professional that will help you. ignore those closed book people who say the square is square

If you like the idea then research it more. I am and am looking for a professional that can regas my car with hychill.

[TURBO60]

i have gas a few cars in my time and if you get your gas charge right with 134a it works great even to the point that i will condersate on the dash

the trick is to have a clean system and have the LP cut out set to the right perssure for the gas you are using

[nottie]

Bowlsey..
When you quoted me i understand you were making a point and a valid one at that but you used what i had said way out of context
My whole point about me regasing my Ftruck and being quoted a huge amount was all based around the last time i was down at your work and Chuck and Sam were telling me about the adapter ports for my system,
The whole conversation i will not put up here as its not needed.
It wasnt able to be done when i was there so i have shoped around and quoted what i have Typed here.
The whole appeal on "gasing your own system" sounds great but i also showed my concern. Hence why i asked And was answered by Ben about the hichill and if there was anyone around Brisbane North that was good enough to take my truck to. At a decent price i must add.
I would be worried if i took it somewhere though and they broke out a BBQ bottle to gas my system.

In relation to being qualified and trained It is the same way i feel about Cowboys in the building industry.

Anyway this thread did start off very interesting but when you are playing with gases that can cause harm you have to draw the line.

[Ruffy]

great thread with heaps of info Certainly helped me understand the differences in the different refrigerant gases available.

Paul? Is your ideal world one where everybody fixes there own car? and perhaps we could all build our own houses, after all it's only nailing wood together, and i guess we should do all the wiring ourselves as well and plumbing... My god.. here's an idea, let's all become completely self sufficient...

How many people play with their own tyres on here? A pressure vessel that kills many more people than air con but tyres cost a lot so it will be right.

take the infomation and do what you want with it. If you think LPG is just for BBq's then just use it in your BBQ ( don't touch the hot plate ,its hot)

You tyre similarity is actually far from a similarity..
Let me attempt to CLARIFY a few issues in this thread....
Firstly, It is Illegal for you to regas your own A/C system unless you are licensed.
It is illegal for ANYONE to regas your A/C system without first diagnosing the reason for a regas requirement.

Secondly, The procedure aforementioned in this thread is NOT industry practice for regassing an A/C system.
The oil used in these systems is Hygroscopic. Any moisture in the system will render it inefficient. The amount of moisture is obviously directly related to the inefficiency.
You NEED to bring the complete system into a state of Vacuum to be sure all moisture, contaminants and gas remnants are removed. Simply flushing LPG through a few times will not suffice.
You/re A/C may not work on hot days. The hotter the ambient temp, the more your inefficiency will be displayed.

Thirdly, For all of you trades people out there, think of your own industry, the training you went through to get a ticket, the licenses required to work in the industry, the ongoing traing and cost involved. Would you want them to be rendered wasteful because everyone else can do your job themselves with out those qulifications? There is a reason why you need training and a license to conduct these repairs!!!!

Lastly and most importantly... Safety!.. and no i'm not talking about the fact that you have LPG in the cabin.. I'm talking about the potenial risks involved with the whole procedure. The writer has displayed a complete lack of concern for the safety or welfare of those he is trying to promote this procedure to. Has he mention to you that contact between LPG and your skin could leave you with frost bite and perhaps fingerless? ( No it's not a sensationalism, it happens regularly) Contact between LPG and your eyes could leave you blind. LPG expands at a rate of 272:1 when it boils. So if you are in a confined space and LPG is vented then you can expect your oxygen level in the area to greatly depreciate.
I think we are all very well aware of the fire danger so there's no need to go there.
This is a highly dangerous and technical procedure to do in a safe and correct manner. No-one on here, as yet, has explained the procedure in an industry accepted manner. That is because it can't be done on an internet forum!
My personal opinion on this matter is that the moderators should have deleted this thread some time ago before somebody hurts them selves and Paul finds himself liable for providing misleading information.
That is all!

[-Scott-]

<lots of good stuff>

But there's a couple of points on which I'd like to comment:

Firstly, It is Illegal for you to regas your own A/C system unless you are licensed.
It is illegal for ANYONE to regas your A/C system without first diagnosing the reason for a regas requirement.

There are many illegal modifications routinely described, discussed and even advocated on this forum. This is but one of them.

My personal opinion on this matter is that the moderators should have deleted this thread some time ago before somebody hurts them selves and Paul finds himself liable for providing misleading information.
That is all!

As mentioned, many posts on this forum include advice which could lead to people being harmed. Where do we draw the line?

[cooter]

as i have stated in earlier posts lpg does work and i have used it but i would like to add i am accredited to regas automotive a/c and have done all my ozone depleting substance courses
i would not recomend that just any one tries to regas their system as there is many risks involved frost bite being one of the main ones