Anyone seen these before? Tough Dog Coilovers??

Post by **dank** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:18 pm

Saw this on a zook on ebay. Nnot sure how it would handle....

Post by **atari4x4** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:20 pm

that looks like a rtc steering dampner to me?

Post by **dank** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:22 pm

Yeah that's what I was thinking but wasn't game enough to even suggest it. weird....the zook has an SR20 in it too....

Post by **zookimal** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:23 pm

I guess they are technically the same thing, but looks exactly like a RTC steering dampner.

Post by **Pyrotech** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:56 pm

atari4x4 wrote:that looks like a rtc steering dampner to me?

x2

Post by **... rick** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:55 am

Yep it is a steering damper. Not the same thing as a shock, the valving on a dampner is 50/50, meaning the compression and rebound are the same. This would make it very doughy on the road!

Post by **just cruizin'** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:49 am

And they are designed to run on their side, not end on end. Not sure where this makes a difference.

Post by **Liam** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:24 am

Years ago these were offered as a 'load assist' type package. I believe they now only offer them for some very specific applications- like sprung truck cabs.

Post by **GRPABT1** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:01 am

Take the spring off and they make a perfect rear shock for drag racing :p couple them with 90/10 fronts and he'd be pulling fully sick 1/4 miles in no time lol. Seriously though that is taking the booty fab to a new level.

Post by **GRPABT1** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:05 am

Liam wrote:Tears ago these were offered as a 'load assist' type package. I believe they now only offer them for some very specific applications- like sprung truck cabs.

I've had my RTC spring holder/adjuster slip in a steering dampner application. I highly doubt the hex key grub screws could provide enough clamping force without wrecking the shock to hold in place in a shock application.

It's stupid

Post by **Liam** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:21 am

You used them as well as the leaf pack, not instead of.

Post by **tassietoyuki** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:44 pm

You could not pic up a 4x4 mag in the early 90's without it having an ad for these. Will try to dig out an old advert.

Post by **mrRocky** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:05 pm

maybe since its fitted with a sr20 he felt it needed drift suspension in the form of coilovers, since they dont make drift susp for sierras these are the nxt best thing

Post by **badger** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:07 pm

there is a few guys on pirate that have used these for small kid sized buggies

Post by **v840** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:16 pm

Wouldn't a steering dampener be valved heaps softer than a proper shock?

I can't see it lasting over corrugations etc. but hey, if it works for him good on him I guess.

Post by **germo** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:04 pm

its got an sr in it!!

Post by **St Jimmy** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:17 pm

I have seen a lj50, with shocks of a motor x bike.[eg white power] From when the bikes had duel shocks they seem to work ok.

Post by **badger** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:36 pm

they arent steering dampeners they are a kit you buy to retrofit to a shock to increase load carrying capability. called helper springs

look up "kid buggy" on pirate there is all the details on them there i think the guys nic was "dragbody"

Post by **lay80n** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:51 am

badger wrote:they arent steering dampeners they are a kit you buy to retrofit to a shock to increase load carrying capability. called helper springs

look up "kid buggy" on pirate there is all the details on them there i think the guys nic was "dragbody"

Dragbody made his own coil overs with a proper shock and a part store helper spring.
The 50:50 valving in a steering dampener is not suitable for shock valving in a car.

Kid buggy link - http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=633445

Layto....

Post by **GRPABT1** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:07 pm

badger wrote:they arent steering dampeners they are a kit you buy to retrofit to a shock to increase load carrying capability. called helper springs

look up "kid buggy" on pirate there is all the details on them there i think the guys nic was "dragbody"

Like I said even as a helper over a normal shock I wouldn't trust the grub screws holding tight enough.

Post by **badger** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:33 pm

not doubting that the grub screws wouldnt hold just simply stating that i highly doubt its actually a steering dampner

especially at the cost of tough dog rtc's

Post by **Adsport** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:04 pm

hi, i saw this too and sent the seller an email. he said they are genuine tough dog coilovers but im convinced that they arent as i cannot find ANY information on them or coilover conversion kits from tough dog. what i thought it may be is that somebody has used the coil and collar from a RTC damper onto a regular shock absorber.

i cant forsee these being any good at all for flex, as with its nature, the spring will be trying to hold the strut in its central position. maybe just maybe if there was a spring landing like a run of the mill coilover and the spring could seperate and travel up the shock body it would be ok but this setup will forever be fighting itself to stay in the position its been set.

i also noticed how many leaves he has... surely if you were converting to coilover in a leaf sprung car you would take most of the leaves out and only use enough to act as a control arm setup and let the spring and damper do its thing ....

Post by **Jcas24** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:13 pm

He wouldn't be the first fleabay seller to be full of sh!t. It probably has the flex of an ironing board.

Post by **VR Rodeo** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:09 pm

Adsport wrote:hi, i saw this too and sent the seller an email. he said they are genuine tough dog coilovers but im convinced that they arent as i cannot find ANY information on them or coilover conversion kits from tough dog. what i thought it may be is that somebody has used the coil and collar from a RTC damper onto a regular shock absorber.

i cant forsee these being any good at all for flex, as with its nature, the spring will be trying to hold the strut in its central position. maybe just maybe if there was a spring landing like a run of the mill coilover and the spring could seperate and travel up the shock body it would be ok but this setup will forever be fighting itself to stay in the position its been set.

i also noticed how many leaves he has... surely if you were converting to coilover in a leaf sprung car you would take most of the leaves out and only use enough to act as a control arm setup and let the spring and damper do its thing ....

This thread is useless without links !!

Post by **Adsport** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:18 pm

seeing as your new to the internet, here you go

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/CUSTOM-SUZUKI-SI ... 240%3A1318

Post by **VR Rodeo** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:04 pm

Adsport wrote:seeing as your new to the internet, here you go

Dont think that was called for

Post by **65Mog** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:50 am

Up until a few years ago the TD RTC dampeners were shocks, they even had TOP stamped on one end, it's only recently that they have used actual dampeners. I've only been told that by people that sell them, who knows maybe they are still shocks?
My guess would be that the ones in the picture are shocks not dampeners.

Post by **Adsport** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:06 am

VR Rodeo wrote:
Adsport wrote:seeing as your new to the internet, here you go
Dont think that was called for

hehe no offence intended

Post by **... rick** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:52 am

Ok here it is.

This is in fact, a proper shock from Tough Dog. It is listed as a "Handler" shock and has a 30mm bore. The boys say they havent sold em in years, and it was one of there first products released!
Just as a reference they are listed as part numbers H1364 in the rear and H1101 in he front.
The coil is only rated to about 90lb, and was designed as a helper, rather than a load bearing coil.ie it would not replace the leaf spring and support the weight of the vehicle.
They retailed for sbout $100 each.

SO there you go!

Post by **sr20zuk** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:56 pm

hey guys the vehicle your talking about is mine and the guy i bought it off had allready done all the stuff too it ive got recepits from climax suspension for the toughdog stuff it wasnt regd wen i bought it and ive only driven it around the paddock. use are right it has f%k all flex it has two other suspension setups with it i dont no why he changed it from the last one tho coz it had extended shacles and all but he was a stoner and went to climax saying he wanted it jacked up two inchs and they changed it two whats currently on it. too be honest i dont no two much about it i just bought it bcoz wen i took it for a test drive it smoked the tires in first second third haha im the first too admit that it wud need a body lift and those coilovers or helpers need too be pissed off off for it too be useable offroad...

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