where to get engineering done on 4by?

Post by **hottiemonster** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 11:53 am

Where is an engineer in melbourne area that checks over you 4by to make sure it is allright?

prefer somewhere around berwick if someone knows on, or just where ever.

thanks

Peter

Post by **greg** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:07 pm

There is a list of vehicle engineers available on the vicroads website (though i couldn't find it just now)...

Most people tend to go through a fellow named Kevin Williams - search for this name in outerlimits and i'm sure you will find a few posts about him.

Cheers

Post by **TuffRR** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:08 pm

Search fawker :finger:

600 posts and still a newbie.

Post by **hottiemonster** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 12:19 pm

i have rang up three numbers from the vic roads list and none of them will do body lift.

one said a maximum of 25mm but u have to increase the track width of some s**T to make it stable.

he also said that vic roads will change the rules of body lift soon,

Oh well, anyone know any more of where their 2" body lift has been done.

tried these and all no go:

Kevin Williams
Colin young
some place in pakenham

Post by **N*A*M** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:07 pm

sometimes they will fob you off if they're too busy or if they think you are a time waster. how did you approach them about it? just a cold ring up and ask? did you act like a kid or an adult (seriously)? engineers hate to muck around. be direct and specific.

best bet would be to get cheezy to organise for kevin williams to inspect your car at the workshop. cheezy has worked with kevin before and you will have no problems guaranteed.

other than that, keep calling the others on the list. good luck.

Post by **hottiemonster** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:44 pm

N*A*M wrote:sometimes they will fob you off if they're too busy or if they think you are a time waster. how did you approach them about it? just a cold ring up and ask? did you act like a kid or an adult (seriously)? engineers hate to muck around. be direct and specific.

best bet would be to get cheezy to organise for kevin williams to inspect your car at the workshop. cheezy has worked with kevin before and you will have no problems guaranteed.

other than that, keep calling the others on the list. good luck.

i called kevin on the phone today and he was driving so i said i will call him back next week to possibly organise a time to engineer my 4by.

He knows of the suspension lift and body lift but i havent said anything about the tyres because there is nothing that can be done about them anyway. I have been told to wack some 35s on and get it engineered with them so my 34's (LOL) should be ok :rofl:

I will give cheezy a call when he gets back from XRCC and see what he says.

Post by **marin** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:02 pm

i have done my 2" body lift myself, would i be able to get that engineered? i used the right material plastice and my mate at CAT got me high tensile bolts....

Post by **Ruggers** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:50 pm

i was told in vic that you dont need a engineers certifcate for 2inch or less body lift and theres nothing in regs about body lifts cuase i had look at work

Post by **greg** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 4:55 pm

Ruggers wrote:i was told in vic that you dont need a engineers certifcate for 2inch or less body lift and theres nothing in regs about body lifts cuase i had look at work

Ditto.

I think that bodylifts are "self engineerable"... That means that you can install it and so long as you think it's safe - then it's cool. But if you get pulled over and someone else looks at it and reckons it's not - then you may end up with some hassles.

i.e. do it, but do it properly and don't do a dodgey job of it.

Roll cages are the same in vic.

Post by **marin** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:15 pm

Just been looking at vicroads site and can only find reference to lowering the body, but nothing about raising it, and 1 paragraph on suspension lift/lower

Post by **landy_man** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:53 pm

this is a pretty serious issue someone needs find out about...
there seem to be quite a few of us who thought 2 inch body lift was okay..... :shock:

might give vicroads a call tomorrow before we leave for weekend away..

Post by **bogged** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:16 pm

landy_man wrote:might give vicroads a call tomorrow before we leave for weekend away..

you wont get a straight answer.... Maybe VicRoads Engineer would get your further...

Post by **ToNkA** » Thu Jan 22, 2004 10:27 pm

Last time I spoke to them regarding this I was told by a Vic Road Engineer that a body lift needed to be engineered although it is NOT in the guidelines as needing to be engineered. It is infact not in the vic road guide lines at all.

So you would have a strong case supporting you if you did not have an engineered body lift due to the fact it is not listed as illegal etc..

Post by **moose** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:35 am

roll cages do have to be built to a specific guide line ,
ie ... clearances , vision etc !!!
pretty sure meant to be engineered as well !!!! :?:

if you want to get insurance , get your body lift engineered !!!!!

try Frank Fordham !!! in ringwood !!!!

Post by **ToNkA** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:57 am

Internal Rollcages don't have to be engineered last time I check with Vicroads, if you stick the guidelines on rollcages they have (quite extensive).

I dunno though.

YMMV :armsup:

Post by **landy_man** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:01 am

internal roll cages are type approved modifications if their guidlines are followed in the construction process

Post by **GV_Qld** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:11 am

Can anybody recommend someone for Brisbane?

Jeff

Post by **Andrew_C** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:41 am

So did anybody find out about the body lifts?

Post by **V8Patrol** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:48 am

ToNkA wrote:Internal Rollcages don't have to be engineered last time I check with Vicroads, if you stick the guidelines on rollcages they have (quite extensive).

I dunno though.

YMMV

Try getting a RWC with a rollcage and no engineers cert..... Wont happen !

Many roadworthy guys are now demanding an engineers report where a internal rollcage is fitted, some are even questioning the "external" ones fitted to new utes ( holden and ford )
The main area of "issue" appears to be the "mounting to the chassis" requirement for passengercars/utes.
Some accidents where a rollcage was fitted to the floorpan ( although the pan was strengthened) the cage legs burst the floorpan and structually weakened the sourounding body strength... IE sills, door pillars, firewalls, & parcel trays.
This in turn resulted in the body shells breaking apart upon impact or worse still distroying the "crumple zones" abillity to function as designed, further more, the additional moving material ( the cage itself ) within the vehicle during a 2nd 3rd or subsuquent rolls was causing additional injuries to the occupants, also emergency personel were taking a minimum of 3 times longer to cut such "barwork" clear for occupant removal, their "jaws of life" wern't able to cut the thick tube many bars are constructed from.
My father inlaw is a licenced RWC man and he now refuses to sign a RWC to a vehicle with a rollcage unless its either mounted DIRECTLY to the chassis or an engineers certificate is presented along with the vehicle.
Five other licenced business in our region have had their "tickets" revoked due soley to approvals of unengineered or poorly built rollcages.

check out where you stand before you start on ANY modification, this includes lifts, bullbars, cages ( both internal & external ) etc etc etc.

Post by **bundytunna** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 3:43 pm

i spoke to rod the poo bah engineer at vicroads the other week
he sed that a bodylift of up to 2" inches is legal
anything over u need an engineers ce4rt
he sed that as long as the body lift is done sensible itll b ok so use proper blocks and properbolts and ull b right
as for engineer hm
no one will engineer 35's
except a bloke in eltham (not Kevin W) but he wants 35's on 8.5" or wider rims
and he wants to retain the orig steering angle when u do a body lift which is near impossible
u might be alright tho coz cheezy did ur work
if u find some one who will engineer ur car pls pls let me know

Post by **ORSM45** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:52 pm

eltham... my kinda town.
just dont get caught.

Post by **bogged** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:16 pm

bundytunna wrote:no one will engineer 35's except a bloke in eltham (not Kevin W) but he wants 35's on 8.5" or wider rims

Kev used to, but started gettin issues with the manufactuers quoting the tires are required to go on an 8.5inch or 10inch rim... also cars having problems with the Brake test..

Bazzle got his done on 35s about 5mths ago from Kev W...

I know 10's are no go in Vic, but what about 8.5 or 9's?? Can you actually get 15x9s?

Post by **V8Patrol** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 8:35 am

Can you get 15X9's ????

$$$$$$ can get ANYTHING.....
Try "Mullins Wheels" for starters then they give you a list of phone numbers of importers to try, there is a few other manafactures that will cater for your needs, like I said, it all comes down to the dollars!

I was looking into 15.5" X10" rims 6 months ago..... $600.00 each .... back to the drawing board!

foot note:
15.5"X10" rims were for an "agricultral" machine IE a silage cart. The tyres were fantastic and cheap (40X16X15.5 .... similar tread to a claw )
Next time i'm there I'll take a few pickies.

Post by **LOCKY** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 8:53 am

15 x 9 being built for us in the states soon.

Post by **marin** » Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:34 pm

hmmm bugger about the blocks being 2 inches, i think from memory we made mine 52mm, so would be just larger than 2 inch if taken out and measured.... need to get them out and shave 1/5 of bugger all off them... one of those things that i probably will never do though, so much effort

Post by **hottiemonster** » Sun Jan 25, 2004 1:24 pm

bundytunna wrote:i spoke to rod the poo bah engineer at vicroads the other week
he sed that a bodylift of up to 2" inches is legal
anything over u need an engineers ce4rt
he sed that as long as the body lift is done sensible itll b ok so use proper blocks and properbolts and ull b right
as for engineer hm
no one will engineer 35's
except a bloke in eltham (not Kevin W) but he wants 35's on 8.5" or wider rims
and he wants to retain the orig steering angle when u do a body lift which is near impossible
u might be alright tho coz cheezy did ur work
if u find some one who will engineer ur car pls pls let me know

allright i will.

Post by **landy_man** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 1:20 pm

what about a 35 X 10.5 16...
they can be run on 16 x 7 rims

Post by **hottiemonster** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 1:25 pm

can u get any 33s suitable for rock / road use in 10.5 to suit a 15x7 rim, the JTs get a bit chewed up in the loose rocky stuff, i have a small chunk taken out :cry:

Post by **landy_man** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 1:27 pm

mtr's

Post by **grimbo** » Tue Jan 27, 2004 1:29 pm

I have BFG mud terrains in the 33 x 10.50 on 7" rims. Good tyre and size for the Patrol. i use it fir dd and touring camping been good in the snow and mud so far. Bit hard to find but they are around seems that Townsville has them more than anywhee else I needed to get one shipped from there and a mate also had to get 1 shipped from there. just bough them thru a local tyre shop for around $280 ea

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