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Auto Darkening Welding Helmets
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i use a very crap trade tools one. dont bother, i got it for free so i cant complain but they suck balls, at the end of the day i always see a white light in the middle of my vision. i also have very light unsensitive (cant think of a better word) as i work as a roofer and shiny tin is farken bright.
turbos are nice but i'd rather be blown
X2. I've got a speedglas and love it, but for a home welder I weld a lot. For very occaisional use I can't see the point.-Nemesis- wrote:Waste of moneybogged wrote: I will use 2 times a year.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
yea, I looked at speedglas from the bloke I bought but at $500 tis more than double what I paid for welder.Gwagensteve wrote:X2. I've got a speedglas and love it, but for a home welder I weld a lot. For very occaisional use I can't see the point.-Nemesis- wrote:Waste of moneybogged wrote: I will use 2 times a year.
Steve.
$200, it will do everything I need for once/2 times a yr.
near new cig 170 amp arc welder
its fan cooled and will weld up to 4ml rods
I got one of these, got it a lot cheaper than the rrp there
I agree, its made me a better welder
http://www.migomag.com.au/products_detail.asp?id=224
I agree, its made me a better welder
http://www.migomag.com.au/products_detail.asp?id=224
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What's your eyesight worth to you?Gwagensteve wrote:X2. I've got a speedglas and love it, but for a home welder I weld a lot. For very occaisional use I can't see the point.-Nemesis- wrote:Waste of moneybogged wrote: I will use 2 times a year.
Steve.
I have the entry level speedglas and be luck if it gets used 5 times a year but I feel it's worth it and it will last forever.
KRiS
I couldn't agree more. I have the Speedglas 9002X which is an exceptional helmet. Adjustable sensitivity, adjustable darkness etc. it has an extra large viewing window which makes welding in confined spaces a lot easier. It cost me about $500-600 when I purchased it. I do a fair bit of welding for "home use". But as was stated earlier it's a lot cheaper than a replacement pair of eyes!RoldIT wrote:What's your eyesight worth to you?Gwagensteve wrote:X2. I've got a speedglas and love it, but for a home welder I weld a lot. For very occaisional use I can't see the point.-Nemesis- wrote:Waste of moneybogged wrote: I will use 2 times a year.
Steve.
I have the entry level speedglas and be luck if it gets used 5 times a year but I feel it's worth it and it will last forever.
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Whats that old saying that I've modernized for this scenario
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Whats that old saying that I've modernized for this scenario
"fuked over once, shame on her, fuked over twice, shame on me."
(c) Bogged 2008[/quote]
The Cigweld ones are good value for money, there is a fixed shade 11 thats cheaper than the variable. Shade 11 is the standard one that you get with a flip helmet, 9 - 13 just lets you see more or less depending on conditions.bogged wrote:Theres a place up road from here in Ringwood doing Cigweld auto tint helmets $99...
Tint range 9-13 I think it was.
Is this a good range??
or the old flip down mask with std tint of 11, but can put 13's in there for $25.00..
thorts?
There's plenty of evidence to suggest a speedglas increases exposure to UV compared to a normal helmet due to the response time.
I welded with a normal helmet for years. I chose the speedglas for convenience. If you weld a couple of times a year there's no reason to step up to the expense of a speedglas.
Steve.
I welded with a normal helmet for years. I chose the speedglas for convenience. If you weld a couple of times a year there's no reason to step up to the expense of a speedglas.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
bogged wrote:Theres a place up road from here in Ringwood doing Cigweld auto tint helmets $99...
Tint range 9-13 I think it was.
Is this a good range??
or the old flip down mask with std tint of 11, but can put 13's in there for $25.00..
thorts?
The cigweld for $99 sounds good.
The old sckool helmet should be around $15 aleast thats what i sell them for.
Grant
Not disputing this at all, it's the cheap-o-ching auto helmets that worry me.Gwagensteve wrote:There's plenty of evidence to suggest a speedglas increases exposure to UV compared to a normal helmet due to the response time.
I welded with a normal helmet for years. I chose the speedglas for convenience. If you weld a couple of times a year there's no reason to step up to the expense of a speedglas.
Steve.
KRiS
Good point Rold - I've used a cheap auto helmet and it wasn't anywhere near as good as the speedglas.
My vote would be a quality auto helmet or a conventional helmet, not a quality auto helmet vs a cheap auto helmet.
PS Bogged - check the specs on darkening time etc. I don't believe there is an AS on these helmets yet, so anyone can sell anything and so long as the tell you its performance, they're not doing anything wrong.
They should data available. Cigweld were selling their own when I bought my speedglas, but on the specs, I chose the speedglas. You'd hope cigweld were selling a quality product though - they have a reputation to uphold.
Steve.
My vote would be a quality auto helmet or a conventional helmet, not a quality auto helmet vs a cheap auto helmet.
PS Bogged - check the specs on darkening time etc. I don't believe there is an AS on these helmets yet, so anyone can sell anything and so long as the tell you its performance, they're not doing anything wrong.
They should data available. Cigweld were selling their own when I bought my speedglas, but on the specs, I chose the speedglas. You'd hope cigweld were selling a quality product though - they have a reputation to uphold.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
I've had cheapies....first time you strike arc and it stays clear you will throw it across the shed and look for the tea bags.....
I ended up geting a Miller and have never had an issue since.
I do however always take a quick look at the sun if its up to make sure its still working if I haven't used it for a week or 2.
The main thing I like about the auto helmet id the fact I can dial the shades down if I am only welding light stuff with the tig and the amperage is only low.
I ended up geting a Miller and have never had an issue since.
I do however always take a quick look at the sun if its up to make sure its still working if I haven't used it for a week or 2.
The main thing I like about the auto helmet id the fact I can dial the shades down if I am only welding light stuff with the tig and the amperage is only low.
Harb
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/shed/index.php?id=2244&im=1
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/shed/index.php?id=2244&im=1
I use a BOC cheapie solar one. From what I understood the battery one's have variable darkening, whereas the solar ones are fixed.
The solar ones can be "shaded" where your eyes see the light, but the sensor / panel doesn't.
Regarless of if they are darkened - they *should* block 100% of the UV light. You get a bright flash - like a camera photographer, but that's all it is. There is never any damaging UV even when they are not darkened. That's why I use one, tacking with eyes closed lets UV through, this way, even when both hands are busy and I can't flip down, I get 100% UV block.
I have never heard of visible light flash being dangerous, short or long term.
I suspect this is mro urbn myth than proven fact - There would be a standard - anyone read it?
Paul
The solar ones can be "shaded" where your eyes see the light, but the sensor / panel doesn't.
Regarless of if they are darkened - they *should* block 100% of the UV light. You get a bright flash - like a camera photographer, but that's all it is. There is never any damaging UV even when they are not darkened. That's why I use one, tacking with eyes closed lets UV through, this way, even when both hands are busy and I can't flip down, I get 100% UV block.
I have never heard of visible light flash being dangerous, short or long term.
I suspect this is mro urbn myth than proven fact - There would be a standard - anyone read it?
Paul
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Im with you im a boilermaker and went out and got a speedglas 9002x, cost me around $650 i cant remember the last time i used it, i love my $20 dollar flip down one!!zackde wrote:Being a Boilermaker by trade we all tried these helmets but the facts are our helmets get thrown, kicked and dropped all day. $400.00 dollars is a lot of money gone with one bad drop. $20.00 gets you a good conventional one that has lasted me 19years.
I'll buy you 2-3 flip down ones and swap you for your speedglasKYSI wrote:Im with you im a boilermaker and went out and got a speedglas 9002x, cost me around $650 i cant remember the last time i used it, i love my $20 dollar flip down one!!zackde wrote:Being a Boilermaker by trade we all tried these helmets but the facts are our helmets get thrown, kicked and dropped all day. $400.00 dollars is a lot of money gone with one bad drop. $20.00 gets you a good conventional one that has lasted me 19years.
to each their own i guess, but i have had my speedglas 9000x through a 4 year apprenticeship as a boily and 4 more years in the trade and never had an issue. it's been dropped, kicked, wet, oily everything. after using it every day i'd put on a mates miller and hate it, and he'd do the same with mine. but never had a problem with flash. at real high amps up close sometimes i had clear disposable screens warp and buckle under the heat but even this never caused any problems internally.
Interesting you are the first person to say this Paul as when I went through TAFE the question popped up and none of the teachers could say they ever had seen factual evidence that welding flash caused any permanent damage. Would be good to know the facts one way or the other.me3@neuralfibre.com wrote:I
I have never heard of visible light flash being dangerous, short or long term.
I suspect this is mro urbn myth than proven fact - There would be a standard - anyone read it?
Paul
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