Laminova Cored Intercoolers (GQ&GU Generic TD42+ZD30)

Post by **love ke70** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:49 pm

what about running LPG through one of these coolers?
about the last thing on my list of concerns, as im running D-GAS which is injected post turbo, so i could do it post cooler, but what about the guys running fumigation systems like team green and diesel-gas australia.
im assuming it would be ok, as its a dry gas not a liquid, but as you have pointed out, the gaps are rather small...

Post by **matt.mcinnes** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:17 am

love ke70 wrote:what about running LPG through one of these coolers?
about the last thing on my list of concerns, as im running D-GAS which is injected post turbo, so i could do it post cooler, but what about the guys running fumigation systems like team green and diesel-gas australia.
im assuming it would be ok, as its a dry gas not a liquid, but as you have pointed out, the gaps are rather small...

Don't quote me here but I would agree it's back been a gas as it's only stored as a liquid, so LPG will have no issues.

Post by **matt.mcinnes** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:58 am

Our control Guinea Pig here in Melbourne is Busman for the TD42T GQ, his first runs at Dzltec's show his DTS kit which is identical to Marins gives pretty much the same power out put torque is harder to judge as it's auto.

But here is our start point.

Post by **Z()LTAN** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:16 am

weird curves, is it coming out of lockup midway?

Post by **matt.mcinnes** » Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:21 am

Z()LTAN wrote:weird curves, is it coming out of lockup midway?

No just shifting gear as auto's do

Post by **matt.mcinnes** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:54 am

AWILL4X4

Assembled and ready for welding 4 x 4 core bolt on's

Post by **matt.mcinnes** » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:58 pm

Dropped all 4 bolt on units in for welding today.

Busman called around too and we fitted his new Laminova cores in the test unit, sealed everything up, just a final pressure test and fitting.

Post by **matt.mcinnes** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:54 am

Big Tks to DJ for dropping in an intake gasket for his 1HD-FTE 80 series.

Still have to work out what to do about the hump in the rear of the rocker cover as well as orientation under the bonnet.

But we have a start.

Post by **Z()LTAN** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:31 am

ooh ohh

New Laminova 1HZ/1HD-FTE thread is it?

Post by **awill4x4** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:47 am

Z()LTAN wrote:ooh ohh

New Laminova 1HZ/1HD-FTE thread is it?

Don't give him any ideas Z()ltan, I've got enough to do without him getting excited with another project.
Regards Andrew.

Post by **Z()LTAN** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:20 pm

U love the attention Andrew

Post by **matt.mcinnes** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:44 pm

Looking a Z()TANS intake compared to DJ Hanson's one been 1HZ-1HDT and the other 1HD-FTE they look to have different flanges on the intake plenum.

DJ's looks like this

I'm also considering chopping the hump off the rocker cover as it wold make life a whole lot eaiser if it was flat

Post by **+dj_hansen+** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:15 pm

Matt, mine is 1HDFT not the 'e' version

and according to the EPC that manifold gasket 17115-17010 suits 1hz, 1hdt and 1hdft engines. http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_G_1998_T ... _1701.html, however i was just digging around looking for the intake heater bits, and the gasket there 19829-17010 (which i have given you same last digits may mean something) may be a little different http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_G_1996_T ... _1701.html so my apologies if i have given you the wrong gasket

Remember, mine has the aftermarket safari intercooler so the piping is all very different

Post by **matt.mcinnes** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:04 pm

+dj_hansen+ wrote:Matt, mine is 1HDFT not the 'e' version and according to the EPC that manifold gasket 17115-17010 suits 1hz, 1hdt and 1hdft engines. http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_G_1998_T ... _1701.html, however i was just digging around looking for the intake heater bits, and the gasket there 19829-17010 (which i have given you same last digits may mean something) may be a little different http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_G_1996_T ... _1701.html so my apologies if i have given you the wrong gasket

Remember, mine has the aftermarket safari intercooler so the piping is all very different

No worries just have to make the first one to fit yours. Will be a good test against your current air to air intercooler.

Post by **80's_delirious** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:08 pm

the gasket above is different to the 1HD-T.

Cutting the top off the intake plenum, might give more options and benifits or more room than cutting the rocker cover.

Either option means its not a bolt on.

Post by **love ke70** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:12 pm

it would be bolt on if they could provide rocker covers already chopped, maybe on an exchange basis...

Post by **80's_delirious** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:24 pm

same exchange basis could be done with inlet manifolds

Post by **Dzltec** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:29 am

That all starts getting messy. It has to be a remove the ducting, fit up the i/c setup.

Don't forget, the next hardest thing is fitting the rad in the front on some of these vehicles.

Andy

Post by **Z()LTAN** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:04 am

I would be inclined to make an extractor type intake manifold that rises up a bit off the rocker cover and has a small mixing chamber at the intersection where the cooler would mount.

This way there are no rocker cover problems and you have a good place for data logging/liquid injection.

I would love to draw one but i dont know what programs to use.

Post by **300WinMag** » Fri May 01, 2009 3:08 pm

Keen to hear how Andys monster goes.

Post by **Dzltec** » Fri May 01, 2009 5:42 pm

Its still sitting on the bench, no free time to play on my own toys. But every one who has seen it loves it, especially the welding.

I will post up info as soon as it is done, as well as a full set of dyno figures.

Andy

Post by **300WinMag** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:53 am

Andy would it also so be possible to do a comparison to a PWR barrel type IC and could you post up your engine mods and turbo specs for 50PSI setup if thats not giving away to many secrets?

Post by **rapid80** » Wed May 06, 2009 10:06 am

matt.mcinnes wrote:
+dj_hansen+ wrote:Matt, mine is 1HDFT not the 'e' version and according to the EPC that manifold gasket 17115-17010 suits 1hz, 1hdt and 1hdft engines. http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_G_1998_T ... _1701.html, however i was just digging around looking for the intake heater bits, and the gasket there 19829-17010 (which i have given you same last digits may mean something) may be a little different http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_G_1996_T ... _1701.html so my apologies if i have given you the wrong gasket

Remember, mine has the aftermarket safari intercooler so the piping is all very different
No worries just have to make the first one to fit yours. Will be a good test against your current air to air intercooler.

DJ do you have any dyno figures for yours with the safari intercooler fitted? Is it possible to fit a temp gauge post intercooler and get some readings to compare the safari and the laminova coolers? I figure the safari is probably the best air/air around so it would be useful to have some figures to show the benefits of the laminova system. Also the 1hdft has a wider head so it may be necessary to have a different version for the 1hdt.Hopefully it might just be a change in piping and not the core.

Post by **matt.mcinnes** » Wed May 06, 2009 10:21 am

rapid80 wrote:
matt.mcinnes wrote:
+dj_hansen+ wrote:Matt, mine is 1HDFT not the 'e' version and according to the EPC that manifold gasket 17115-17010 suits 1hz, 1hdt and 1hdft engines. http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_G_1998_T ... _1701.html, however i was just digging around looking for the intake heater bits, and the gasket there 19829-17010 (which i have given you same last digits may mean something) may be a little different http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_G_1996_T ... _1701.html so my apologies if i have given you the wrong gasket

Remember, mine has the aftermarket safari intercooler so the piping is all very different
No worries just have to make the first one to fit yours. Will be a good test against your current air to air intercooler.

DJ do you have any dyno figures for yours with the safari intercooler fitted? Is it possible to fit a temp gauge post intercooler and get some readings to compare the safari and the laminova coolers? I figure the safari is probably the best air/air around so it would be useful to have some figures to show the benefits of the laminova system. Also the 1hdft has a wider head so it may be necessary to have a different version for the 1hdt.Hopefully it might just be a change in piping and not the core.

DJ is buggered now lol

Post by **rapid80** » Wed May 06, 2009 10:33 am

Theres no turning back now. He's commited to it so might as well go the whole hog. If not I'll have to be the test mule. Might be a little complicated with about 4000km between my car and you guys.Maybe time to start a new thread for 1h*** and see how much interest is out there. My hands up already!

Post by **matt.mcinnes** » Wed May 06, 2009 10:47 am

rapid80 wrote:Theres no turning back now. He's commited to it so might as well go the whole hog. If not I'll have to be the test mule. Might be a little complicated with about 4000km between my car and you guys.Maybe time to start a new thread for 1h*** and see how much interest is out there. My hands up already!

You think yours is hard try this..

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh ... ?t=1151217

Post by **rapid80** » Wed May 06, 2009 11:19 am

Yep,see what you mean. We're just down the road.

Post by **+dj_hansen+** » Wed May 06, 2009 3:35 pm

Im quite happy to have a dyno run and probes installed (in the cooler matt

) but i dont have the funds for a laminova, and as im setting up for more long distance touring; reliability has to be a key for me which i feel the A2A offers.

Unfortunately im unavailable between now and 1st week of june (simpson desert

) but in that week ill be back and we can arrange some stuff, as im quite interested in dyno run and temps myself.

Below is the graph from safari themselves....
http://www.safarisnorkel.com/intercoole ... c1hdft.htm

Andy also has some graphs of his stage 1 powerup as a reference for some real world dyno graphs (un-intercooled and stockish settings) but his site is down atm :(

Post by **matt.mcinnes** » Thu May 07, 2009 12:20 pm

Ok for those waiting on their 4 cores we are getting there

The word is welded up mid next week, then drilling taping and testing.

Post by **BASSYK** » Fri May 08, 2009 11:25 am

matt.mcinnes wrote:Ok for those waiting on their 4 cores we are getting there

The word is welded up mid next week, then drilling taping and testing.

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