cruiser park vs department of roads dilema

[horsey84]

hi all ive heard the while at cruiser park on the comp weekends, the qld roads boys sit on the main road or around the area pinging illegal and unroadworthy cars

any insight on this, whos been caught? and do they tow right away?
cheers

[AZZA'S HJ47]

seen it, heard of it and now for a fact that they do this probably to reach bouns for the end of the month. Sadly i have to agee to the idea of it. If you've got a 4by and it modifyed in a Dangerous way you should not be on the road. if you were to have a accident be it your fault or sombody elses they are going to throw the book at you.

[want33s]

Not trying to start a shitfight here, but...... Is fitting 32" tyres to vehicle 'designed' for 31's making it "Dangerous"?

[Kingston_99]

Not trying to start a shitfight here, but...... Is fitting 32" tyres to vehicle 'designed' for 31's making it "Dangerous"?

im with you.

there are some things that we (four wheelers) do to our cars are more safer then the stock cars when they came out, sadly there are some that go and build things that should not be on the road in first place.

[macca81]

legally speaking (in tas at least) 32" tyres on a vehicle designed for 31", is perfectly legal. so wheres ya problem there?

cracking down on vehicles that have a dodgy 3" body lift, 6" susp lift and 38" tyres is a different matter, and unless they have a certificate to say the work has been done in a manner that ensures the vehicle is still in a safe condition, then they should be pulled off the road.

if its legal, then there should be no reason that the vehicle is pulled off the road. if its not, tuff luck mate

[want33s]

legally speaking.....

Park in question is in QLD.... I am in QLD.. Fitting tyres more than 15mm larger diameter than stock is a NO NO up here.

Back to TOPIC.... I have heard of Dept. Transport sitting out at Kilcoy or closer to LCMP waiting for modded vehicles but never seen it first hand.
I tow mine on a trailer so hopefully never have to worry about those guys.

[ofr57]

legally speaking.....

Park in question is in QLD.... I am in QLD.. Fitting tyres more than 15mm larger diameter than stock is a NO NO up here.

Back to TOPIC.... I have heard of Dept. Transport sitting out at Kilcoy or closer to LCMP waiting for modded vehicles but never seen it first hand.
I tow mine on a trailer so hopefully never have to worry about those guys.

I've heard the same but aswell as pinging cars on trailers that have number plates

[joeblow]

seen it, heard of it and now for a fact that they do this probably to reach bouns for the end of the month. Sadly i have to agee to the idea of it. If you've got a 4by and it modifyed in a Dangerous way you should not be on the road. if you were to have a accident be it your fault or sombody elses they are going to throw the book at you.

hate to say it............but i agree totally.

[Spartacus]

Never seen it personally happen or now of anybody it happened to.

That being said, i trailer my shit without plates on it anyway

[eggman]

legally speaking.....

Park in question is in QLD.... I am in QLD.. Fitting tyres more than 15mm larger diameter than stock is a NO NO up here.

Back to TOPIC.... I have heard of Dept. Transport sitting out at Kilcoy or closer to LCMP waiting for modded vehicles but never seen it first hand.
I tow mine on a trailer so hopefully never have to worry about those guys.

I've heard the same but aswell as pinging cars on trailers that have number plates

they do this out at willowbank/qld raceway after street meets and drift days.. Willowbank only has 1 way out, so they sit there pinging people for going and doing stuff legally..

[stockhorse]

"they do this out at willowbank/qld raceway after street meets and drift days.. Willowbank only has 1 way out, so they sit there pinging people for going and doing stuff legally.."
Not correct they are pinging people with unroadworthy cars

[mkpatrol]

Not trying to start a shitfight here, but...... Is fitting 32" tyres to vehicle 'designed' for 31's making it "Dangerous"?

Potentially, the larger the diameter of your wheels the harder the brakes have to work to stop the vehicle (laymans terms). Larger whells without a brake upgrade can be dagerous.

I had to anwser that seeing as it it way off topic.

[mkpatrol]

seen it, heard of it and now for a fact that they do this probably to reach bouns for the end of the month.

Urban myth, there is not "bunus" or "quota" these guys have to meet. Its all about ensuring the safety of the public.

[SCANAS]

Been pulled over after mud bulls a few years ago with 35's on just checked mod plates and let me go. They had cars off to the side everywhere SPOA 40, rolled 75 a guy was driving home and GQ's galore with big lifts! In that case I think they did an excellent job booking the guys who were most likely to harm themselves or others.

I am a stong believer that QLD should have better rules for modified 4x4's like we do for hot rods etc.

A guy with 33's on his sierra with upgraded wheel studs, better brakes than standard and a new 3" lift is safer than a guy rolling in a sierra with bald, hardened 28's rusty-damaged wheel studs and worn shackle bushes with leaking shockies. I think NSW have a better set up with the enginering process but I heard it can be expensive.

Also seen it happen at willowbank, attracts modified cars so DOT will target them.

[PJ.zook]

In my book there is a big difference between an unroadworthy vehicle and an unsafe vehicle.

Pinging people when leaving say Calder Park after a night of legal offstreet racing for mods that are deemed unroadworthy by blanket standards, but actually improve the safety of the vehicle, not to mention the whole car in general is in pristine condition as owner cares for it, is piss poor imo.
They are trying to do the right thing and keep it off the industrial estates and are getting screwed for it.
Yes the vehicles may be unroadworthy and therefore illegal, but as someone mentioned before, there is a big difference between a wheel being an inch bigger than legal, and a rusted out bluebird with no wiper rubbers and shocks so shagged that you can literally see daylight under the front wheels when its driving down the freeway. Ive seen it.
The ppl in charge of the coppers and road authorities should put them to better use.

[grimbo]

illegal is illegal, not a hard concept to understand. There isn't just alittle bit illegal. A line has been drawn in the sand and stuff has been deemed illegal. Is it always reasonable probably not and that is where engineering should be a viable option to prove a mod is safe and reasonable. In some states this is available in others it isn't. But that is the way it is. By all means people should complain to the relevant people in the hopes of changing it but to just go ahead with mods that are illegal and then whinge and moan when they are caught is just childish.

It doesn't matter what other people have on their car or how unroadworthy their vehicle is, that isn't your concern. Your vehicle is your concern so worry about either having it all legal or if you think bugger that I'll take the chance then live with the consequences.

[Drift Technician]

they do this out at willowbank/qld raceway after street meets and drift days.. Willowbank only has 1 way out, so they sit there pinging people for going and doing stuff legally..

Actually there is another way out, check Google Earth.

illegal is illegal, not a hard concept to understand. There isn't just alittle bit illegal. A line has been drawn in the sand and stuff has been deemed illegal. Is it always reasonable probably not and that is where engineering should be a viable option to prove a mod is safe and reasonable. In some states this is available in others it isn't. But that is the way it is. By all means people should complain to the relevant people in the hopes of changing it but to just go ahead with mods that are illegal and then whinge and moan when they are caught is just childish.

It doesn't matter what other people have on their car or how unroadworthy their vehicle is, that isn't your concern. Your vehicle is your concern so worry about either having it all legal or if you think bugger that I'll take the chance then live with the consequences.

I agree to a point, but when you talk to DOT and get different answers every time and there is no clear guide to what is allowed, and worse still it is open to interpretation by the officers, I think that is a but piss poor on their behalf.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with getting the dangerous shitters off the road for sure, but their are some guidelines that need to be revised as they are horribly outdated, especially in QLD.

[grimbo]

as I said yes there should be a recourse for getting mods approved which are safe and reasonable. But there isn't so no point modding vehicles like you wish there was

[ISUZUROVER]

legally speaking.....

Park in question is in QLD.... I am in QLD.. Fitting tyres more than 15mm larger diameter than stock is a NO NO up here.

I don't know anyone who has ever had an issue in QLD for such a minor increase in tyre size.

In my own case, both my landies (originally fitted with 7.50x16 = 32") running 33" tyres have been through 2 or 3 RWCs in QLD and a couple of random roadside checks by DoT or the police and the tyres were never mentioned.

[lump_a_charcoal]

I think if someone is going to the effort of trailoring their vehicle, why can they be defected?

[money_killer]

never seen them booking ppls. but most of us have 3 or 4" lift and 33's. so they would have to be Cookie book us . 35's are in the back on the ute.

[beast of a GQ]

I got done coming back through Woodford after mudbulls last year. Everything on my car was sweet except for my 285/70/R16, 5mm to big. (Bastards). I agree that if your car is full of rust or bullsh*t to big it should be on a trailer. But for them to sting people with big fourby's on a trailer that is just wrong.

[tim's lux]

legally speaking.....

Park in question is in QLD.... I am in QLD.. Fitting tyres more than 15mm larger diameter than stock is a NO NO up here.

Back to TOPIC.... I have heard of Dept. Transport sitting out at Kilcoy or closer to LCMP waiting for modded vehicles but never seen it first hand.
I tow mine on a trailer so hopefully never have to worry about those guys.

if your car is on a trailer and has number plates on they can still book you
you try and do the right thing and they still screw you over

[grimbo]

but your vehicle is still illegal if it is registered. Doesn't matter if it is on a trailer or not. you can't register the vehicle if it is illegally modified, simple

[simcoz]

The park in question require rego to enter,so if your car is on a trailer than it's usally illegal anyway so they should not let you in the park but they still do.
Diaper RD in this park is a gazzeted road so the DOT could book you for driving your rego'd but still illegal car there,this applies for most comp trucks aswell.
Morall of the story is its only illegal if you get caught and this is the risk we all take.

[SilverBulletBM]

but your vehicle is still illegal if it is registered. Doesn't matter if it is on a trailer or not. you can't register the vehicle if it is illegally modified, simple

Thats like saying you cant fit slicks to your street car, trailer it out to the track to run it, then trailer it home and change the wheels back.
Or what if your in your daily and have to suddenly brake, locking up the wheels and causing a flat spot thats bald (could happen on a highway, mayb), then trailering the car to the tyre shop to get it change. Why should you be booked for something like that.

At the end of the day the majority of DOT ppl have no clue when it comes to making the rules, and the cops have no idea when it comes to enforcing them. Ive herd to 2 different ppl getting done for 2" body lift, one cop said that you cant use polly only steel, the other said that you cant do it at all on a vehicle with a mod plate. To sit outside an event where ppl go to take there cars off the street to do racing or 4bing is just revinue raising. They should be targeting the ppl who dont look after there cars, run around on bald tyres and no brakes, oil leaks everywhere and more smoke out the back then hippys tent. Yet the guy with the roll cage, harness, upgraded suspension, tyre size upgrade and big brake kit is more of a danger to himself and society! Go figure!! The way i see it: Ow this guy has a nice car, those mods would have cost a mint! He must be able to pay for the big fines where bout to give him, BIG BONUS time for me!
Tho there are some nice cops out there, and not every modified car is done safely either, they just need more qualified ppl to identify the good from the crap.

[scarman]

I have also seen and heard of cars geeting pulled off the trailers in Gouloburn weight station and gone over on the way to summernats.

[lump_a_charcoal]

By the same rationale, a tow truck comes along to pick up a wreck from a crash... Gets pulled over and given a defect notice because the car on the back is unroadworthy - That would never happen, but what is the difference?

[BundyRumandCoke]

Unfortunately, its been happening for years. I remember one Saturday night, after racing Bombers at the Archerfield speedway (now lets see, that has to be at least 25 years ago) DOT were waiting on the exit road, and pulled over every vehicle towing a race car on a trailer, and went over every trailer with a fine tooth comb.

[defmec]

they have doing it for a while .just trailer your offroad tires out and put them on when u get there if your trailing a rig out take the plates of until u get to the park some of the rigs getting around bris are just redneck mobiles any thing with a 6inch lift and 35s shouldn't be on road