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Tyre Topic - Goodyear Wrangler MT/R
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The old ones were good on rock, and hard shit. Nobody complained about that at all.
The complaints were in mud, not that I had a problem. but anyway..
Theres no way that pattern will be worth pissing on in mud. The tread blocks are closed up more than the current ones which "DONT CLEAN" according to punters.
And these new ones will be directional by the look.. another downer.
Toyo's just went up another notch for me.
The KL71 would be nice, but directional and aint going for that.
The complaints were in mud, not that I had a problem. but anyway..
Theres no way that pattern will be worth pissing on in mud. The tread blocks are closed up more than the current ones which "DONT CLEAN" according to punters.
And these new ones will be directional by the look.. another downer.
Toyo's just went up another notch for me.
The KL71 would be nice, but directional and aint going for that.
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NO, these new MT/Rs with Kevlar are NOT directional... They are designed to be run in both directions.bogged wrote:The old ones were good on rock, and hard shit. Nobody complained about that at all.
The complaints were in mud, not that I had a problem. but anyway..
Theres no way that pattern will be worth pissing on in mud. The tread blocks are closed up more than the current ones which "DONT CLEAN" according to punters.
And these new ones will be directional by the look.. another downer.
Toyo's just went up another notch for me.
The KL71 would be nice, but directional and aint going for that.
I just don't understand why one side runs one way, and the other the other way... seems like you would get good handling on one side, and worse on the other.
Luke.
Running the old pattern atm, have only done 1 trip on them, but was impressed in the way they handled rock and loose shale aka walhalla, havnt had a chance to test them in mud yet. Hoping to get a set of the new pattern when they hit our shores
will be interesting to test them out
will be interesting to test them out
93 dual fuel landcruiser
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Im on yet another set of the old pattern. Goodyear just had the buy 3 get one free and it was so cheap, couldn't even get Maxxis Bighorns for as cheap as i got the new 'old style' mtr/s. They never get flats, never get out of balance. They just suck in bad clay/clogging mud. I've got mtr's on the jeep & the trailors too now 
The best 'hardcore all terrain' you can buy. I wouldn't call them a serious offroad tyre, but they're awesome for what they do.
cheers
The best 'hardcore all terrain' you can buy. I wouldn't call them a serious offroad tyre, but they're awesome for what they do.
cheers
According to my measurements, my 235/75 r15's tread depth brand new is 14mm. I had these MTR's fitted to my Holden Drover for 4 years, they've been driven on everyday, travelled approximately 75,000km through sand, mud, rocks, higways and city streets. I find these tyres to be excellent on the road, and even better off road! My little 900kg 4WD weapon has driven up extremely steep ascents that some people would struggle to walk up (without lockers), and my 4by also loves the mud (haven't really got any complaints with the MTR in mud). Currently, my rear tyres still have 7mm tread (50%) and my fronts have 9mm (64%). I have no doubt what-so-ever that these tyres will last me 120k+, maybe even 150k! With these figures, how could I think about changing from MTR's ? I reckon the new ones look pretty good too, but the problem is that I bought 5 of them (brand new spare), so when it was time to replace them, I only had to purchase 3 of them, not 4! Now if I do that, it will look hideous with 3 new treads and 1 old tread! 
? I reckon the new ones look pretty good too, but the problem is that I bought 5 of them (brand new spare), so when it was time to replace them, I only had to purchase 3 of them, not 4! Now if I do that, it will look hideous with 3 new treads and 1 old tread! 1990 NG Paj TDI: 2.5 exhaust, 146l Longranger tank, snorkel, 2" suspension lift, 31" Bighorns.
1985 Holden Drover: 2" OME suspension & shocks, extractors, 2" exhaust, 235/75 MTR's
1985 Holden Drover: 2" OME suspension & shocks, extractors, 2" exhaust, 235/75 MTR's
New MTR advert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR_POY9rPOI
Tire Technology for the new Kevlar MTR compared to old MTR
http://my.off-road.com/_Tire-Technology ... 89.html?b=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR_POY9rPOI
Tire Technology for the new Kevlar MTR compared to old MTR
http://my.off-road.com/_Tire-Technology ... 89.html?b=
I found this on another forum.
[QUOTE=evolution;1126756]Were mounting up a new set of GoodYear 42's. We are doing some tire testing so we thought we would share.
We took pictures of the 42" Goodyear's next some more common tire sizes so you can see a reference.
From Left to Right: 35, 37, 40, 42
http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq33 ... 1242433029
35 on left, 42 middle, 37 right
http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq33 ... 1242433367
35 front, 37 middle, 42 rear
http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq33 ... 1242433415
http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq33 ... 1242435030
EVO...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=evolution;1126756]Were mounting up a new set of GoodYear 42's. We are doing some tire testing so we thought we would share.
We took pictures of the 42" Goodyear's next some more common tire sizes so you can see a reference.
From Left to Right: 35, 37, 40, 42
http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq33 ... 1242433029
35 on left, 42 middle, 37 right
http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq33 ... 1242433367
35 front, 37 middle, 42 rear
http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq33 ... 1242433415
http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq33 ... 1242435030
EVO...[/QUOTE]
Found this on another forum.
[QUOTE=trailbuilt;9899534]I just got some 37's... Last weekend, old mtrs...muddy rocks...lots of wheel spin everywhere,no traction.
The new Mtrs Worked Very well. The trail was muddy and some snow patches and the new mtrs gripped no problem. They seem alot softer than the old mtrs.On dirt covered slabs they had awesome bite as well. Overall I am stoked!
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[QUOTE=trailbuilt;9899534]I just got some 37's... Last weekend, old mtrs...muddy rocks...lots of wheel spin everywhere,no traction.
The new Mtrs Worked Very well. The trail was muddy and some snow patches and the new mtrs gripped no problem. They seem alot softer than the old mtrs.On dirt covered slabs they had awesome bite as well. Overall I am stoked!
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I rate them as an agressive AT no more. I swaped some 31tyres I had for some 33 MTRs and never liked them. very noisy for an AT and did stuff all off road. Slippery in the wet also! But having said that as a AT there probably ok but dont put them in the same catagory as simexs, Creepys, Swampers etc as they dont stand a chance. I personally run 2 sets of tyre as I dont see why you'd pay huge money for a tyre thats average everywhere. Have play tyres and some smooth roadies 
White 92 GQ TD42 LWB (AKA Putt putt)
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I have (original) 285/75-16 (33") MTRs on one of my landies. Bought them new around 2001. I was fantastically happy with them at first - stuck like glue on-road and off - especially when aired down.
I must have done about 35-40k km on them so far, and they still have 50-60% tread left!!! Which is amazing. However recently, I drove Brisbane-Perth on them (the long way - 12000km). Over that trip they really seemed to harden up. They still work well when aired down, but don't stick as well as they used to. On wet bitumen they are starting to get scary!!!
I have regularly run them at 7psi offroad, and there have been times when I have been spinning the wheels on sharp rocks, with no punctures.
So overall, I have been quite happy.
I must have done about 35-40k km on them so far, and they still have 50-60% tread left!!! Which is amazing. However recently, I drove Brisbane-Perth on them (the long way - 12000km). Over that trip they really seemed to harden up. They still work well when aired down, but don't stick as well as they used to. On wet bitumen they are starting to get scary!!!
I have regularly run them at 7psi offroad, and there have been times when I have been spinning the wheels on sharp rocks, with no punctures.
So overall, I have been quite happy.
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RUFF wrote:Beally STFU Your becoming a real PITA.
Found this on another forum. This explains how the new tread pattern works and it sounds like it should work well.
[QUOTE=Discount Tire Direct;1161737]These are asymmetrical tires. There is an inside and an outside. They are only to be mounted outside out and inside in. There are a lot of advantages to asymmetrical tires especially in the versatile conditions that off-road enthusiasts put their tires in. Goodyear realizes that as you drive in different conditions certain areas of the tread carry more of the vehicles load than others. Because of this Goodyear has designed the tread to follow each sections function to give you traction where need it most.
Think of it like this. When you are on a trail, you are rarely driving with the vehicle level from right to left. Your vehicles weight is shifted to the sholders of your tires. When offroad you want large biting lugs so thats where goodyear has put their large biting lugs.
When you are on a highway or street the road is usually pretty flat. This centers the weight of the vehicle more in the tires center. On a highway you want a more solid type of tread with less gaps between the blocks. This is exactly what you will find in the inner center portion of the new MTR.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Discount Tire Direct;1161737]These are asymmetrical tires. There is an inside and an outside. They are only to be mounted outside out and inside in. There are a lot of advantages to asymmetrical tires especially in the versatile conditions that off-road enthusiasts put their tires in. Goodyear realizes that as you drive in different conditions certain areas of the tread carry more of the vehicles load than others. Because of this Goodyear has designed the tread to follow each sections function to give you traction where need it most.
Think of it like this. When you are on a trail, you are rarely driving with the vehicle level from right to left. Your vehicles weight is shifted to the sholders of your tires. When offroad you want large biting lugs so thats where goodyear has put their large biting lugs.
When you are on a highway or street the road is usually pretty flat. This centers the weight of the vehicle more in the tires center. On a highway you want a more solid type of tread with less gaps between the blocks. This is exactly what you will find in the inner center portion of the new MTR.[/QUOTE]
The GoodYear MTR is a multi traction radial,not a mud terrain as most people think mtr means.I have used GoodYears for the past 6 years and never had a drama.I believe that they are the strongest steel belted radial on the market.They are priced a bit expensive but you are buying quality.
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I think from the pics that they will be a good sand tire, nothing overly aggressive.
The middle block is a worry for anyone looking to hit the mud this winter, however, those looking for prolonged tire wear, i think it could be a plus!
There is no way they will outlast a BF at, as the compounds were MTR's were always so soft, hence the reason why they were grippy in the rocks.
A lot of boys in tas went to them for a second set of rd tires because they were so cheap, i remember (i think) they were putting $250 over the table for a set of 35/37's. But over 450!!! I bought my last set of 36 simex at that 4hundy a hoop (at dealer rated hehehe).
It will be interesting to see of yotaMonthly runs a comparo against the new BF krawler.......
The middle block is a worry for anyone looking to hit the mud this winter, however, those looking for prolonged tire wear, i think it could be a plus!
There is no way they will outlast a BF at, as the compounds were MTR's were always so soft, hence the reason why they were grippy in the rocks.
A lot of boys in tas went to them for a second set of rd tires because they were so cheap, i remember (i think) they were putting $250 over the table for a set of 35/37's. But over 450!!! I bought my last set of 36 simex at that 4hundy a hoop (at dealer rated hehehe).
It will be interesting to see of yotaMonthly runs a comparo against the new BF krawler.......
Nice gq swb ute chop with a huffer for the good times
I think a lot of people here will be surprised by them when they see them in the flesh. The tyres always look a little on the lame side when photographed.
The compound used in the BFG dont compare to that in the MTR, the MTRs are a generation ahead with silica compounds. They are soft and they wear well - perhaps not as well when you sit there and spin them, but for streeting they are soft and good wearing. Hard compounds are less traction, more wheel spin and less tyre life.
The pattern is an interesting one and there is logic in it if you look at it carefully. Although it looks directional, I doubt that there is very much in it. That centre section has been described by the engineer as a dam, and in many respects its exactly the same as whats in the middle of so many of the bog tyres that are on the market already like the ET, ET2, JT2, TSL, MTZ, STT, Krawler etc in that it wont allow the water and mud to travel through the tyre, only out. All of them no doubt clog in there, except the MTR has been made more streetable in an area that is traditionally crap in the mud anyway. Its also offset to throw the mud out, rather than under the car. The additional travel seems to have been designed for also as the void area tapers from the centre out to the sides which increases the clearing ability throughout the groove as the mud flow increases towards the outside - something which I tend to think will also make the tyre usable in the reverse direction as the mud will flow. BTW, check the voids in the MTR with Kevlar compared to the Xterrain in the pic above! Apparently the lateral grooves also make the mud release, but who knows. The smaller outer blocks on both sides of the tyre will also bite well. Why the angulated blocks... to prevent the low speed vibrations that has traditionally been a characteristic of early muds isn't really acceptable anymore, especially if this is also a DD tyre, though it is also something that GY have always designed out of the MTR thankfully! For the carcass... bah, all of the new generation Cooper, BFG, Mickey, Procomp etc have only just caught up to the old MTR, shame the rubber compound hasn't.
I think these tyres are meant to be pitched against tyres like the MTZ, STT, ST, BFG MT km2 etc, not so much the Krawler.
The compound used in the BFG dont compare to that in the MTR, the MTRs are a generation ahead with silica compounds. They are soft and they wear well - perhaps not as well when you sit there and spin them, but for streeting they are soft and good wearing. Hard compounds are less traction, more wheel spin and less tyre life.
The pattern is an interesting one and there is logic in it if you look at it carefully. Although it looks directional, I doubt that there is very much in it. That centre section has been described by the engineer as a dam, and in many respects its exactly the same as whats in the middle of so many of the bog tyres that are on the market already like the ET, ET2, JT2, TSL, MTZ, STT, Krawler etc in that it wont allow the water and mud to travel through the tyre, only out. All of them no doubt clog in there, except the MTR has been made more streetable in an area that is traditionally crap in the mud anyway. Its also offset to throw the mud out, rather than under the car. The additional travel seems to have been designed for also as the void area tapers from the centre out to the sides which increases the clearing ability throughout the groove as the mud flow increases towards the outside - something which I tend to think will also make the tyre usable in the reverse direction as the mud will flow. BTW, check the voids in the MTR with Kevlar compared to the Xterrain in the pic above! Apparently the lateral grooves also make the mud release, but who knows. The smaller outer blocks on both sides of the tyre will also bite well. Why the angulated blocks... to prevent the low speed vibrations that has traditionally been a characteristic of early muds isn't really acceptable anymore, especially if this is also a DD tyre, though it is also something that GY have always designed out of the MTR thankfully! For the carcass... bah, all of the new generation Cooper, BFG, Mickey, Procomp etc have only just caught up to the old MTR, shame the rubber compound hasn't.
I think these tyres are meant to be pitched against tyres like the MTZ, STT, ST, BFG MT km2 etc, not so much the Krawler.
Cheers
Slunnie
Discovery TD5, Landy IIa V8 ute.
Slunnie
Discovery TD5, Landy IIa V8 ute.
Got sent this today from Goodyear, one my of mates is chasing set for his cruiser.
These tyres may be available sometime in mid september.
But if you need we can order the same if you do let us know.
50% of the total bill will have to be paid up front and we can work from there.
Regards
derek
180 809 514
These tyres may be available sometime in mid september.
But if you need we can order the same if you do let us know.
50% of the total bill will have to be paid up front and we can work from there.
Regards
derek
180 809 514
Just get them from www.tirerack.com and they will be on your door within 5 working days after payment. I'm over the run around.
Cheers
Slunnie
Discovery TD5, Landy IIa V8 ute.
Slunnie
Discovery TD5, Landy IIa V8 ute.
My tyre dealer is advising me that both styles of this tyre are still available. Do people have any preference over one or the other?
The new Kevlar side walled ones are $25-$40 extra per tyre depending on size.
I've probably only got another 5000ks left on my current bfg's so i really need to start looking at new tyres and I'm liking the look of these ones. I'm just not sure whether to go new or old?????
Thoughts on new vs old?
The new Kevlar side walled ones are $25-$40 extra per tyre depending on size.
I've probably only got another 5000ks left on my current bfg's so i really need to start looking at new tyres and I'm liking the look of these ones. I'm just not sure whether to go new or old?????
Thoughts on new vs old?
-Scott- wrote:Isn't it a bit early in the day to be pissed?
Just run 285/75/16 on trip up the oodnadatta track, madigan line and some of the french line. Got a sidewall stake on the madigan line, fixed with dog turds (and now properly fixed) and the sidewalls on these bad boys are mega tuff trying to get the reamer in there!
All other vehicles where running MT/Rs, heavily loaded 80's on some bad roads (hamilton station to dalhousie via pedirka, and also the madigan line) and no other punctures or damage recorded.
Very happy with grip on fast outback roads, not fantastic in toolangi mud but im a bit over that these days anyway and would definitely purchase again
All other vehicles where running MT/Rs, heavily loaded 80's on some bad roads (hamilton station to dalhousie via pedirka, and also the madigan line) and no other punctures or damage recorded.
Very happy with grip on fast outback roads, not fantastic in toolangi mud but im a bit over that these days anyway and would definitely purchase again
Cheers,
Dan.
[i]1996 HDJ80R[/i]
Dan.
[i]1996 HDJ80R[/i]
goodyear are always more expensive, try Beaurepairs.GutSquisher Media wrote:Who is screwing who, have been quoted $395 for 35x12.5x15 from a Goodyear Service Center, when the Yanks only pay $197US or $245 Aust.
Can't tell me it costs over $100 per Tyre to bring them into Aust.
P.S that goes for most of the fcking tyres.
I got quoted $350 upto $427 for 285x75's...
whos gettin shafted?
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