cruiser park vs department of roads dilema

[hilux79]

yeah road reg'd circuit car

wonder how 4wd parks go about getting cams approved, or is there some other body that will do the same sort of thing for 4wd? ccda or someone?

The problem with this is how much entry fee's would go up. Look at how much competitor entry is for a state round is at a circuit track. Are people going to want to pay the money. Also as said the car it's self has had a tech inspection and has a log book. This may all be realistic for a comp but I don't think it is for a recreational weekend.

Realistically leave the plates off while it is on the trailer and it wont stand out as being registered as much.

[madog]

I have been involved in an accident on 33" tyre and nothing was said, it was taken to the repair shop quoted on, inspected by Suncorp and all repairs were completed ok.

I do under stand that it may have been different if some one was injured[/quote]

my brother in law was driving a mates hilux with a como v6 35s and 4-5 inch lift he cleaned up a couple in a pulsar failing to give way due to visibility but whos fault it was doesnt matter the cops and firies showed up no one hurt was slow but pulsar was wrote off and his insurer covered it the cops did not care the only thing they checked was that the motor was mod plated

[booflux]

Also imo the best way for the sport to survive is for comps and parks to realise that a registered vehicle illegally modified might as well be in the comp or at the park unregistrated. I have a real problem with comps forcing people to keep an illegally modified vehicle competing with rego. Its obvious the laws wont change to allow us the leniancy to modify our vehicles to the level a lot of people want. So why parks and comps are not more interested in engineered mods so that the vehicle is safe and a applicable insurance policy held by the vehicle owner to cover injury etc is beyond me. For what it costs me in rego I could have a airtight insurance policy and not need to be concerned about trailering my vehicle to comps or parks.

x2.
All other forms of motorsport can do it so why is it so hard for the 4WD comps?
You don't have to have your speedway/drag/circuit car registered, so what makes the public liability risk any higher for us?

Um, in motorsports all the race cars etc in Australia at least are rego'd, not as road cars but under CAMS lic/rego.

http://www.cams.com.au/Development/Get% ... Types.aspx

But you can only drive CAMS vehicles at CAMS lic'd tracks or events, doesn't allow you to drive it on the road at all.

Not the same thing as road rego is it whats stopping CCDA doing the same or similiar ?

[SilverBulletBM]

They way i see it, cams is like a rego for the track only, just like rego is for street. So yeah it is the same as rego, it covers you for insurance and you pay a little extra so some greedy ppl can line there pockets...

If you were to put your car on a trailer without the plates on and the cops pulled you over, could they then get you for having no plates but having rego sticker in the window???

[STIKA]

They way i see it, cams is like a rego for the track only, just like rego is for street. So yeah it is the same as rego, it covers you for insurance and you pay a little extra so some greedy ppl can line there pockets...

If you were to put your car on a trailer without the plates on and the cops pulled you over, could they then get you for having no plates but having rego sticker in the window???

Yes, if they look that close

[purplebus]

They way i see it, cams is like a rego for the track only, just like rego is for street. So yeah it is the same as rego, it covers you for insurance and you pay a little extra so some greedy ppl can line there pockets...

If you were to put your car on a trailer without the plates on and the cops pulled you over, could they then get you for having no plates but having rego sticker in the window???

Yes, if they look that close

stick the stika in the glovebox before you leave home and replace when back there. they fall off anyway.

[Shadow]

They way i see it, cams is like a rego for the track only, just like rego is for street. So yeah it is the same as rego, it covers you for insurance and you pay a little extra so some greedy ppl can line there pockets...

If you were to put your car on a trailer without the plates on and the cops pulled you over, could they then get you for having no plates but having rego sticker in the window???

Yes, if they look that close

no they couldnt, theres no fine for having no plates while car is on a trailer.

What they could do, is see rego label, then defect said vehicle using VIN on rego label.

dont think they would bother IMO.

but incase, just cover rego label too.

[frp88]

I can't belive that you guys have made such a drama about this if you can't aford it don't race. I was thinking about entering my daily drive cruiser for the stock winch challange class. It becomes to much when you have 2 have a special cage seats and harness window nets and then change it all to get it legal again for the road. I can undestand that the organizer are covering themselfs so I have come to a conclusion watching the event is it for now.

[grinch2]

Goes much further than that, Section 79 of Torums
That section covers the offences of drink driving and if you look it up you will see that it just mentions

Offence of driving etc. while under the influence
Any person who while under the influence of liquor or a
drug—
(a) drives a motor vehicle, tram, train or vessel; or
(b) attempts to put in motion a motor vehicle, tram, train or
vessel; or
(c) is in charge of a motor vehicle, tram, train or vessel;
is guilty of an offence and liable to a penalty not exceeding 28
penalty units or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 9
months.

Nothing about being on a road or elsewhere etc.
So that means you can get done anywhere.

The act is here http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGIS ... pRUA95.pdf

Out of interest, how is (c) usually interpreted? Inserting the key in the ignition, or the door? (etc?).

e.g. someone who gets in their car in order to sleep it off could be charged under the law.

being in possession of the keys can be classed as intent to drive

i have a mate that was done for drink driving while he was asleep in the car on his mates footpath because the keys where in the car, (not the ignition) the officer told him that if your in the car your car keys cannot be in there as well

as for the trailers i cant see if you took it to court the dot would have a leg to stand on as the vehicle is not being driven. i have heard of police officers down south leaving the drags asking the owners to remove the car from the trailer so the can weigh the trailer and then pinning them for the illegal mods on the car. when they are doing things like this it is clearly not a case of making the roads safer it is all about revenue raising.

if they want to make the roads safe then start patroling the residentual streets not a 4wd park in the middle of no where, it just like going fishing at the fish shop there garunteed to get there catch

[Breaker Brother]

legally speaking.....

Park in question is in QLD.... I am in QLD.. Fitting tyres more than 15mm larger diameter than stock is a NO NO up here.

Back to TOPIC.... I have heard of Dept. Transport sitting out at Kilcoy or closer to LCMP waiting for modded vehicles but never seen it first hand.
I tow mine on a trailer so hopefully never have to worry about those guys.

Even that's not safe, if you have plates on it, they can escort you to the nearest weigh station, and have you unload your trailer to chck the Gross/tare weights to make sure your not overloaded, in most cases anything less than a landcruiser, Patrol wagon or Ute or a C10-20 Chev or F100-250 will be legally overloaded towing a car trailer with a comp truck, tools spares camping gear etc, and if the vehicle on the trailer has plates on it, when it hit's the ground which is government property then they can go over that too!

[Shadow]

legally speaking.....

Park in question is in QLD.... I am in QLD.. Fitting tyres more than 15mm larger diameter than stock is a NO NO up here.

Back to TOPIC.... I have heard of Dept. Transport sitting out at Kilcoy or closer to LCMP waiting for modded vehicles but never seen it first hand.
I tow mine on a trailer so hopefully never have to worry about those guys.

Even that's not safe, if you have plates on it, they can escort you to the nearest weigh station, and have you unload your trailer to chck the Gross/tare weights to make sure your not overloaded, in most cases anything less than a landcruiser, Patrol wagon or Ute or a C10-20 Chev or F100-250 will be legally overloaded towing a car trailer with a comp truck, tools spares camping gear etc, and if the vehicle on the trailer has plates on it, when it hit's the ground which is government property then they can go over that too!

thats never happened

so i dont know why you arer all getting your knickers in a knot

[Matt_85Lux]

Even that's not safe, if you have plates on it, they can escort you to the nearest weigh station, and have you unload your trailer to chck the Gross/tare weights to make sure your not overloaded, in most cases anything less than a landcruiser, Patrol wagon or Ute or a C10-20 Chev or F100-250 will be legally overloaded towing a car trailer with a comp truck, tools spares camping gear etc, and if the vehicle on the trailer has plates on it, when it hit's the ground which is government property then they can go over that too!

thats never happened

so i dont know why you arer all getting your knickers in a knot

Although it may not have happened yet they are within their powers to do so if they should wish. So there is a possiblity that it could happen. it has happened at other car shows/events in the past with street machines and the like

[Shadow]

Even that's not safe, if you have plates on it, they can escort you to the nearest weigh station, and have you unload your trailer to chck the Gross/tare weights to make sure your not overloaded, in most cases anything less than a landcruiser, Patrol wagon or Ute or a C10-20 Chev or F100-250 will be legally overloaded towing a car trailer with a comp truck, tools spares camping gear etc, and if the vehicle on the trailer has plates on it, when it hit's the ground which is government property then they can go over that too!

thats never happened

so i dont know why you arer all getting your knickers in a knot

Although it may not have happened yet they are within their powers to do so if they should wish. So there is a possiblity that it could happen. it has happened at other car shows/events in the past with street machines and the like

heres a thaught, de-register it, and trailer it. Then they cant do shit.

or if you need it registered, take the plates off while its in transit ffs.

Then no-one gets booked.

[grinch2]

Even that's not safe, if you have plates on it, they can escort you to the nearest weigh station, and have you unload your trailer to chck the Gross/tare weights to make sure your not overloaded, in most cases anything less than a landcruiser, Patrol wagon or Ute or a C10-20 Chev or F100-250 will be legally overloaded towing a car trailer with a comp truck, tools spares camping gear etc, and if the vehicle on the trailer has plates on it, when it hit's the ground which is government property then they can go over that too!

thats never happened

so i dont know why you arer all getting your knickers in a knot

Although it may not have happened yet they are within their powers to do so if they should wish. So there is a possiblity that it could happen. it has happened at other car shows/events in the past with street machines and the like

it has happened someone i know was deffected by dot at landcruiser parks gate a few years back.

[Shadow]

Even that's not safe, if you have plates on it, they can escort you to the nearest weigh station, and have you unload your trailer to chck the Gross/tare weights to make sure your not overloaded, in most cases anything less than a landcruiser, Patrol wagon or Ute or a C10-20 Chev or F100-250 will be legally overloaded towing a car trailer with a comp truck, tools spares camping gear etc, and if the vehicle on the trailer has plates on it, when it hit's the ground which is government property then they can go over that too!

thats never happened

so i dont know why you arer all getting your knickers in a knot

Although it may not have happened yet they are within their powers to do so if they should wish. So there is a possiblity that it could happen. it has happened at other car shows/events in the past with street machines and the like

it has happened someone i know was deffected by dot at landcruiser parks gate a few years back.

I was refering to the making you pull car off trailer then defecting it.

Was someone you know's car defective?

[chunderlicious]

DOT dont have the authority to pull you over, they only have the right to ask you to pull over. however if you dont they will call the police in and then youll be completely focked. they can ask you if you would like to follow them to an inspection centre however you do not HAVE to go... it is recomended you do though.

your car doesnt have to be on the road. registration means a vehicle should be roadworthy and comply with all the related rules. if it does not then they have all right to take that registration away. they even give you a refund on a percentage of your rego if they do canary it... the fines just equal alot more.

if you want to run the risk of driving an illegal car (whether it be towing illegally or just modified illegally) then do it and dont fu cking whinge on outers about how hard done by you are... its annoying.

if you dont want to get done then keep it legal, simple. get a legal tow car and remove your rego sticker and plates from your fun car. but dont complain when you accidentally leave one of them on and get done.

[Shadow]

DOT dont have the authority to pull you over,

yes they certainly do

they only have the right to ask you to pull over. however if you dont they will call the police in and then youll be completely focked. they can ask you if you would like to follow them to an inspection centre however you do not HAVE to go... it is recomended you do though.

your car doesnt have to be on the road. registration means a vehicle should be roadworthy and comply with all the related rules. if it does not then they have all right to take that registration away. they even give you a refund on a percentage of your rego if they do canary it... the fines just equal alot more.

if you want to run the risk of driving an illegal car (whether it be towing illegally or just modified illegally) then do it and dont fu cking whinge on outers about how hard done by you are... its annoying.

if you dont want to get done then keep it legal, simple. get a legal tow car and remove your rego sticker and plates from your fun car. but dont complain when you accidentally leave one of them on and get done.

[chunderlicious]

they can flag you down as much as they want and you can legally keep driving. that is why police are in most cases parked as the front car of a roadside pitstop. DOT cant pull you over just flag you and if you stop they can say what they need.

[Breaker Brother]

National code of practice is in force in NSW,

The RTA has actually released a bulliten stating they are not recognising the current draft of the NCOP

LOVE KE70....

If NCOP are in force in NSW can you tell us if:

1. Is QLD getting same exact same rules? You would think so being NCOP
2. What is the process? Do they have a standard rule book like qld does
now, or can you still put a 4"lift and 35s on and get it enginnered?

Anyone else... what is the NCOP for tyre size or suspension lift?

Thanks
Dan

Australia has a standard set of road laws came in around 2000.

but each state have addons to the standard laws.

No, We have the Australian Design rules, but after that it has been left totally up to each state as to what you can and can't do. that's the whole point of the NCOP n the first place to bring about uniformity

Not the same thing as road rego is it whats stopping CCDA doing the same or similiar ?

The CCDA originally started as a break away from Cams mainly to do with Rally events where Cams guidlines made life hard for certain classes


If your building a 4WD, yes NSW is the place to live, however if you're building a hotrod, it's the worst, as an example, NSW is the only state where you are not allowed to use a "replica" chassis under a new rod, they'd prefer you to have a 70+ year old piece of possibly rotten crap under it and you modify that, then scratch building a chassis using fresh higher grade steel, but getting back on to the original topic, we as 4WD'ers need to put up a unified front in regards to the NCOP, atm it's largely driven by Hot Rodders and street car clubs, in fact I can't recall many 4WD orientated clubs being involved @ all.

At the end of the day we can whinge all we want, but unless we actually do something and discourage the idiots we're going to be thrown in a creek full of shite, the tide is comming in, we've got no canoo or paddle and can't swim

[SCANAS]

FYI - refer page three

Electoral office reply re: NCOP

"We have been advised that:

* National Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Construction and Modification (NCOP) is a document being developed by the Australian Motor Vehicle Certification Board Working Party (AMVCB).

* NCOP aims to provide a national standard for light vehicle modifications and certification in an effort to reach a nationally consistent standard.

* All State and Territory registration authorities as well as industry groups and members of the public with an interest in light vehicle modifications have been involved in providing input into the development of the NCOP.

* Major industry groups and stakeholders including MTAQ , RACQ,YAME, CVIAQ, AAAA and Queensland Police Service were notified by the Department of Transport and Main Roads (DTMR) when the period of public comment opened.

* Period of public comment has recently been completed with comments and changes to be considered at the next AMVCB meeting on June 15th.

* The Department of Transport and Main Roads has been involved with the development of NCOP for many years with the view of adopting the code when finalised.

* Currently no definite date is available for the implementation of NCOP due to the development and legal process involved.

* The current draft of the NCOP is available for viewing on the Department of Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government website, published as Vehicle Standards Bulletin (VSB) 14.(
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... _ncop.aspx)

I hope this will help clarify your enquiry"