V8 engines for your 4x4??

Post by **udm** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:04 pm

why cant i see the results?

Post by **want33s** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:27 pm

udm wrote:why cant i see the results?

Probably because you haven't voted yet.

Post by **gq351** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:37 pm

stool wrote:Better make that a blown 572

haha why not

might upgrade the running gear while im there

Post by **Gwagensteve** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:52 pm

v840 wrote:
Yeah but deep down, everyone wants a 14.6L car.

bingo.

I have very little interest in big motors, pushrod V8's or North American engines in general, but golly, 14.6 litres, 1400hp and about 1800Nm would have to amusing. I imagine the noise and the off idle torque would be quite impressive.

I'd be as happy with a healthy Turbodiesel in all honesty, but once the 572 came up I had to mention the 890.

Steve.

Post by **macca81** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:30 pm

Gwagensteve wrote:
v840 wrote:
Yeah but deep down, everyone wants a 14.6L car.
bingo.

I have very little interest in big motors, pushrod V8's or North American engines in general, but golly, 14.6 litres, 1400hp and about 1800Nm would have to amusing. I imagine the noise and the off idle torque would be quite impressive.

I'd be as happy with a healthy Turbodiesel in all honesty, but once the 572 came up I had to mention the 890.

Steve.

off idle torque? man, with an engine like that you could do away with an accelerator pedal alltogether! push in clutch, choose gear, let out clutch. it would idle everywhere you wanted it to

Post by **Loanrangie** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:52 pm

Oldsmobile 4.3ltr diesel V6, basically the same as a VN commo Buick . Didnt last long in production (82-85) but i reckon it would make a great conversion motor as it would fit in most engine bays without too much work, bolt on a turbo and it will produce enough torque for most vehicles.

Post by **Mousie** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:29 am

i`m puting the gen3 5.7L into my ute that i am building for winch style comps
also planning on going in the fink desert race with it also...
just my 2c

Post by **KiwiBacon** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:38 am

Loanrangie wrote:Oldsmobile 4.3ltr diesel V6, basically the same as a VN commo Buick . Didnt last long in production (82-85) but i reckon it would make a great conversion motor as it would fit in most engine bays without too much work, bolt on a turbo and it will produce enough torque for most vehicles.

Those olds engines have a terrible reputation. Some say they're the reason americans still hate diesels.
They're also indirect injection. I wouldn't bother installing an indirect injection engine into anything.

Post by **def90** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:53 pm

being a green oval badge man, give me a rangie sport twin turbo V8 Diesel, bucket loads of torque and power and barely drink a drop!!!!!

Now if i could only afford to put one in my 90

Post by **Loanrangie** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:32 pm

KiwiBacon wrote:
Loanrangie wrote:Oldsmobile 4.3ltr diesel V6, basically the same as a VN commo Buick . Didnt last long in production (82-85) but i reckon it would make a great conversion motor as it would fit in most engine bays without too much work, bolt on a turbo and it will produce enough torque for most vehicles.
Those olds engines have a terrible reputation. Some say they're the reason americans still hate diesels.
They're also indirect injection. I wouldn't bother installing an indirect injection engine into anything.

True but if it was built correctly it would be a great conversion motor, my money is on the Jag/ Puegot/ Ford/ Landrover 2.7ltr TDV6 or RRS TDV8 .

Post by **KiwiBacon** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:06 am

Loanrangie wrote: True but if it was built correctly it would be a great conversion motor, my money is on the Jag/ Puegot/ Ford/ Landrover 2.7ltr TDV6 or RRS TDV8 .

Even if built correctly so it physically holds together, it'll chew through at least 20% more fuel than a direct injection engine and continually soot up the oil. Then you've got the necessary high compression (so they'll start cold) which is going to limit your boost so the heads don't crack.

The later landrover/ford/psa engines appear to be the ducks nuts, but I think you'd need a whole drivetrain upgrade to go with them.
You can get aftermarket wiring kits for the duramax engines to fit them into other vehicles, shame we can't get them for everything.

Even if Isuzu released half a duramax (3.3 litre 4 cyl). The 4JJ1 3 litre in the rodeo/colorado has a great rep, but hasnt' been tested to the degree that the duramax parts have been.

Post by **Struth** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:40 am

I think you have to assume driveline upgrades sometimes, some vehicles are lucky and have tuff drivelines but a lot will require upgrading.

But the thread insn't really about how sensible it is to upgrade to a V8 but which one you would choose. In a dream world the Toyota 4.5Lt would be great or the Rangie engine, but back in good old reality land small blocks are generally the go

Post by **PJ.zook** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:26 am

I got half a V8, does that count?

Post by **ferrit** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:30 pm

i'd be keen to see just what you could bolt a 1VD-FTV from a troopy into...

I recon you could make it fit in a prado

Post by **woodbutcher** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:27 pm

ferrit wrote:i'd be keen to see just what you could bolt a 1VD-FTV from a troopy into...

I recon you could make it fit in a prado

They widened the troopy to fit it in there so I would like to see one in a Prado!!!!!!

Post by **Athol** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:14 pm

woodbutcher wrote:
ferrit wrote:i'd be keen to see just what you could bolt a 1VD-FTV from a troopy into...

I recon you could make it fit in a prado
They widened the troopy to fit it in there so I would like to see one in a Prado!!!!!!

They widened the chassis because they put the engines in from underneath on the production line. There are plenty of engine conversions out there that will fit easily if the engine is put in from the top that would be impossible to put in from underneath on the production line...

Post by **crankycruiser** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:12 pm

berad wrote:hahaha and it goes on

Whats the fuel bill for it?, whats the extra weight doing for the suspension /chassis, whats 2 times the moving parts doing for a rebuild/upgrade

haha good fun

lol my ls1 is lighter than my 4.5 it replaced...and uses the same amount of fuel or less.......... blows that theory......

Post by **enginefactory** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:34 pm

Its such a mixed bag of opinions out there!! Faaaaaark, I thought this poll idea was gonna be simple.

Part of the reason for this poll was to help me decide which engine to choose for my GQ Patrol. I've got access to every and any combination I want for my GQ, I just have to make a decsion ASAP.

I was looking a this 540BB 750Hp & 950Nm Tq, its just siiitng here on a crate ready to go. Its a brand new purpose built race engine from the USA; it can also be used a daily driver, mild cam, great idle, huge torque etc

Its even got a Gas research Twin Throttle Body setup, all Dyno'd and tuned. Should I or shouldn't I use it???

Faaaaaark, what would you do??

Post by **dank** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:44 pm

enginefactory wrote: I was looking a this 540BB 750Hp & 950Nm Tq, its just siiitng here on a crate ready to go.
Faaaaaark, what would you do??

Do you enjoy changing CVs? R&Ps? If you do go for it! 950nm will make short work of those in a GQ, not to mention cheese stick lower control arms.

Sounds like fun though. i just watched the incab footage of Robbie Gordon in his trophy truck at 09 Baja 500 (- post in chit chat). That vehicle apparently has 850hp. sounds awesome and the speed is insane.

Decision is easy...stop being a girl about it and get it in your truck then post heaps of pics and vids of you driving the thing.

Post by **zagan** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:31 am

humm V8 petrol or diesel is one thing.

Though I just read that you can now buy Audi SUVs with the R12 motor.

If you don't know what that is, it's a V12 Diesel motor turboed.

It's the same motor used in the 24hr Le Manns Audi race cars.

Post by **enginefactory** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:38 am

Yeah, I'm hearing you. I was just gonna stick a small block V8 on straight gas into the truck but the 540 BB showed up. The running gear is a concern, I really need to know what the maximun torque should be? How much torque will start breaking running gear?

Post by **KiwiBacon** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:42 am

zagan wrote:humm V8 petrol or diesel is one thing.

Though I just read that you can now buy Audi SUVs with the R12 motor.

If you don't know what that is, it's a V12 Diesel motor turboed.

It's the same motor used in the 24hr Le Manns Audi race cars.

It's not the same engine used in Le Mans. Their marketing dept may want you to think that though.

Post by **dank** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:20 pm

enginefactory wrote:Yeah, I'm hearing you. I was just gonna stick a small block V8 on straight gas into the truck but the 540 BB showed up. The running gear is a concern, I really need to know what the maximun torque should be? How much torque will start breaking running gear?

I'm no expert on GQs but if you really want to find out speak with the guys at PGS in Mornington, They were building a GU Wagon Chassis with cab body to race in Morroco that was going to have around 800hp running through it.

They will give you some idea of what it will take to run that sorta power in your rig.

Power is cool but reliability with power is even cooler.

Post by **Struth** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:51 pm

enginefactory wrote:Yeah, I'm hearing you. I was just gonna stick a small block V8 on straight gas into the truck but the 540 BB showed up. The running gear is a concern, I really need to know what the maximun torque should be? How much torque will start breaking running gear?

I would have thought an LS would suit a Patrol perfectly, the BB would be cool as and I would still consider going down that path, given that the motor is available, if driveline reliability can be assured.

What about parts for the BB will they be easy enough to come by if things go awry?

Cheers

Post by **gq351** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:01 pm

enginefactory wrote:
I was looking a this 540BB 750Hp & 950Nm Tq, its just siiitng here on a crate ready to go. Its a brand new purpose built race engine from the USA; it can also be used a daily driver, mild cam, great idle, huge torque etc

Its even got a Gas research Twin Throttle Body setup, all Dyno'd and tuned. Should I or shouldn't I use it???

if i had that engine just sitting there it would be going in 2day

i wouldnt even think twice, worry about the running gear when it comes to it

Post by **enginefactory** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:11 pm

Struth,

This engine is almost bullet proof, its built for the desert racing trucks that run full noise all day. The only difference is that this one has a mild cam in it, its not as lumpy sounding like the others. As far as reliability, its almost bullet proof provided I give it a regular service etc.

I'm not worried about parts for it, there's heaps of stuff readily available for the BB Chevy's.

gq351,

Ha ha, I knew you'd be up for the 540 BB. Surely not sick of you're 454 BB just yet? My problem was having too many faaaarking options with engines, looks like I'll use the 540BB in the GQ - talk about being different?? Lets us know when you're ready to bump to the same level??

Post by **gq351** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:19 pm

haha yeah id use it 4sure!!! not sick of the 454 yet but you know whats its like you can neva have to much power!!! coz you get use to it so quick.. yeah that might deffinatly be an aptoin one day, ill just get some use out of the little 454 first!!

Post by **enginefactory** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:57 pm

I was gonna ditch the petrol V8 idea and source a V8 Diesel via the factory in the USA. But it was just too hard to walk away from the 540 BB.

Post by **Slunnie** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:50 pm

I think the other question may be weight. Are the BB's still cast? Thats a fair whack over an alloy LS motor - something that has an impact on offroad ability etc. My ideal would still be the Ls9 which is a alloy thick bore small block with factory supercharger and arond 620hp. I'm sure it will have driveability with that power and it came in 2 specs, 1 for the corvette which is probably more a top end motor and the other for Caddys which would probably be a bit more drivable. That type of motor in low range will over power traction and on the road will have heaps of poke.

Post by **omlet** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:23 pm

I own a 02 lux with a 22r motor in it. I'm about to put a worked 253 in it. the top end power just has never been there and i've had enough of it. I agree with some of the earlier posts about efi being the shiz and most v8 technology being outdated. i chose mine mostly because of money. i wanted a holden 5L but becomes too costly and tedious with all its electronics. Although most v8 technology is outdated, i think it is preffered for price and just being tough. can't wait to get mine in

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