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super chargers
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super chargers
has anyone put a super charger on a 3y 2.0 hilux 4runner.. if so was it easy? did you use a sc14? and what boost? any help much appreciated.
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I have just fitted a SC14 to a EFI 4Y out of a tarago to my 1986 D/C lux. Re-built the motor before changeover, still havn't fired it up yet. Has been a lot of work to do it properly. It's not just a matter of bolting the supercharger in and hooking up a couple of pipes. A lot of work researching what was required. A Plumb back blow off valve needs to be fitted between the charger and the throttle body. Though on a carby motor it may not be needed if you fit the carby to the inlet side of the charger. Im not sure on how to set up a carby/supercharger.
The SC14 would be plenty big enough for a 3Y it produces 1400cc per revolution.
The SC14 would be plenty big enough for a 3Y it produces 1400cc per revolution.
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my SC14 was $450 from Adelaide jap dismantlers. It then cost another $500 to set it up properly.
Remember some days your the pigeon and other days your the statue
Turbo's are good but you don't need exhaust mods to bolt on a charger, each to their own but I would orefer a SC over a turbo if I was putting it all together, unless TCs somehow produce more power increas for the dollar spent and it would need to be considerably more power to warrent the extra work.drifter** * wrote:you guys do realize you can get turbos now.
Cheers
I made my extractors and fitted a TO4 Turbo Charger, external wastegate & made a 3"exhaust to suit also made up the induction system to suit.
Buying the pipe to make the mods to a set of Gennie block hugger extractors and the Turbo, waste gate, gas mixers etc to make it all happen set me back $2000.
Building it myself was a buzz and not without some frustrating times too, but what a BUZZ when it was sorted out.
On the dyno I ended up with 248kw at the wheels on 7lb boost, then I made an adjustable boost tap (in-cab) and now I can run boost at 4lb - 15lb.
I still have some sorting to do and I have had some issues with the twin 425 mixers and once sorted I'll get it back on the dyno (from what I've seen of other turbo'ed V8's 360 plus kw is easy and reliable)
I have played with super chargers over the years on varying types of motors and the main bit of advice I would give is to rebuild anything you buy thats 2nd hand and do your home work first before jumping in to it.
If you estimate it will cost you $1000 to do make sure you have another $1000 to finish it off.
Bang for buck I would choose the Turbo way every time but they are a little bit more work to set up and when you get used to the power you have then it's easy to wind up the boost
Buying the pipe to make the mods to a set of Gennie block hugger extractors and the Turbo, waste gate, gas mixers etc to make it all happen set me back $2000.
Building it myself was a buzz and not without some frustrating times too, but what a BUZZ when it was sorted out.
On the dyno I ended up with 248kw at the wheels on 7lb boost, then I made an adjustable boost tap (in-cab) and now I can run boost at 4lb - 15lb.
I still have some sorting to do and I have had some issues with the twin 425 mixers and once sorted I'll get it back on the dyno (from what I've seen of other turbo'ed V8's 360 plus kw is easy and reliable)
I have played with super chargers over the years on varying types of motors and the main bit of advice I would give is to rebuild anything you buy thats 2nd hand and do your home work first before jumping in to it.
If you estimate it will cost you $1000 to do make sure you have another $1000 to finish it off.
Bang for buck I would choose the Turbo way every time but they are a little bit more work to set up and when you get used to the power you have then it's easy to wind up the boost
Cheers
Andrew
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Just a few mods, nothing over the top.:)
Andrew
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Just a few mods, nothing over the top.:)
KUSTOMV840 wrote
As with the supercharged way you have to pick wisely or you could have a motor that has bugger all bottom end go but when on boost its all or nothing.
Keeping the compression on the high side (I run 8.5/1 comp) will give you good low down go and great get up when on boost.
Also don't forget to put a good head gasket/s on (Felpro stainless O-rings, Cometic's or Brass with O-rings) or the fun won't last.
As stated before I have done supercharged motors before using the sc14, Eaton's then on to 6 & 8-71 littlefields (they are a different kettle of fish, great fun though) mainly on V8's but also on the commy V6 and the smaller one's ran out of puff to quickly.
Years ago I helped do a sc14 blower install on a 22R petrol 4 banger, for the work that was involved making the manifold to suit then getting all the injection to work with it it was no cheaper than doing a turbo install, it did have really low torque off the line but it also ran out of puff at 5600 revs and from memory it wasn't really quick when compared to another N/A 22R (both were in 2wd Hilux utes), later we did made a "junk yard"turbo set up for the other 22R Hilux using parts from a turbo Volvo bought for $350 and using mostly scrap pipe from the garage.
This thing used a single SU carbie as a "blow through" and had no intercooler and it went well with 7lbs boost only, the ute was used as a tow/parts car for years when we were into Ski-boat racing
Ah that maybe so on a 4 banger but on my already healthy 355 V8 I have awesome low down grunt coupled with boost. This makes for an awesome combination.I prefer a S/C over a turbo any day on a petrol. No major exhaust mods as mentioned plus the S/C gives a flat torque line. No waiting for the turbo to spool up.
As with the supercharged way you have to pick wisely or you could have a motor that has bugger all bottom end go but when on boost its all or nothing.
Keeping the compression on the high side (I run 8.5/1 comp) will give you good low down go and great get up when on boost.
Also don't forget to put a good head gasket/s on (Felpro stainless O-rings, Cometic's or Brass with O-rings) or the fun won't last.
As stated before I have done supercharged motors before using the sc14, Eaton's then on to 6 & 8-71 littlefields (they are a different kettle of fish, great fun though) mainly on V8's but also on the commy V6 and the smaller one's ran out of puff to quickly.
Years ago I helped do a sc14 blower install on a 22R petrol 4 banger, for the work that was involved making the manifold to suit then getting all the injection to work with it it was no cheaper than doing a turbo install, it did have really low torque off the line but it also ran out of puff at 5600 revs and from memory it wasn't really quick when compared to another N/A 22R (both were in 2wd Hilux utes), later we did made a "junk yard"turbo set up for the other 22R Hilux using parts from a turbo Volvo bought for $350 and using mostly scrap pipe from the garage.
This thing used a single SU carbie as a "blow through" and had no intercooler and it went well with 7lbs boost only, the ute was used as a tow/parts car for years when we were into Ski-boat racing
Cheers
Andrew
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Just a few mods, nothing over the top.:)
Andrew
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Just a few mods, nothing over the top.:)
that reply probably would have been accurate in the 80's, what turbo petrol's have you driven?KUSTOMV840 wrote:I prefer a S/C over a turbo any day on a petrol. No major exhaust mods as mentioned plus the S/C gives a flat torque line. No waiting for the turbo to spool up.drifter** * wrote:you guys do realize you can get turbos now.
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Yours is an exceptional case HG, built V8 strong enough to handle high boost, it's well worth the effort to go to all the trouble of a Turbo.HG wrote:KUSTOMV840 wroteAh that maybe so on a 4 banger but on my already healthy 355 V8 I have awesome low down grunt coupled with boost. This makes for an awesome combination.I prefer a S/C over a turbo any day on a petrol. No major exhaust mods as mentioned plus the S/C gives a flat torque line. No waiting for the turbo to spool up.
As with the supercharged way you have to pick wisely or you could have a motor that has bugger all bottom end go but when on boost its all or nothing.
Keeping the compression on the high side (I run 8.5/1 comp) will give you good low down go and great get up when on boost.
Also don't forget to put a good head gasket/s on (Felpro stainless O-rings, Cometic's or Brass with O-rings) or the fun won't last.
As stated before I have done supercharged motors before using the sc14, Eaton's then on to 6 & 8-71 littlefields (they are a different kettle of fish, great fun though) mainly on V8's but also on the commy V6 and the smaller one's ran out of puff to quickly.
Years ago I helped do a sc14 blower install on a 22R petrol 4 banger, for the work that was involved making the manifold to suit then getting all the injection to work with it it was no cheaper than doing a turbo install, it did have really low torque off the line but it also ran out of puff at 5600 revs and from memory it wasn't really quick when compared to another N/A 22R (both were in 2wd Hilux utes), later we did made a "junk yard"turbo set up for the other 22R Hilux using parts from a turbo Volvo bought for $350 and using mostly scrap pipe from the garage.
This thing used a single SU carbie as a "blow through" and had no intercooler and it went well with 7lbs boost only, the ute was used as a tow/parts car for years when we were into Ski-boat racing
Take mine however, a stock V8 no stroking hence no enhanced low down torque, and a factory S/C would have to be the easiest way of boosting it and getting bang for buck and instant torque, allowing even for the need to play with pulleys on the front of the motor again.
As for S/Cs on motors they are not designed for I would probably agree that if a factory turbo set up exists then why would you muck around with custom fitting a S/C. It could also be easier to fit up a custom turbo arrangement Vs a custom blower unless you used a divorced blower, in which case you would want to research your blower choice well.
Cheers
SC
A turbo is just an exhaust driven Supercharger anyways. Plus SC no lag much better form off road torque
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I agree my supercharged 1hz had buckets of torque down low and would lug away all day. Whereas the stock turboed jackaroo i'm driving at the moment is really spungy feeling when trying to accelerate until it gets on too boost and doesn't like to lug at all.
Plus supercharged motors sound heaps better cos they don't have the turbo in the way muffling the motors natural exhaust sound!
Plus supercharged motors sound heaps better cos they don't have the turbo in the way muffling the motors natural exhaust sound!
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They do sound horn, But Then again, so does a Turbo doing 200K rpm in your exhaust stream with no mufflers behind it!Kitika wrote:Plus supercharged motors sound heaps better cos they don't have the turbo in the way muffling the motors natural exhaust sound!
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u still after the sc14
hi there i have a sc14 with brackets and tubing to suit a 3y carbie it you are interested let me know i'm in vic western subbeinthemud wrote:Any one know someone in Vic that has them
Re: u still after the sc14
Ok How muchbundy4x4 wrote:hi there i have a sc14 with brackets and tubing to suit a 3y carbie it you are interested let me know i'm in vic western subbeinthemud wrote:Any one know someone in Vic that has them
dont need 3y stuff got a 2lt
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Re: u still after the sc14
beinthemud wrote:Ok How muchbundy4x4 wrote:hi there i have a sc14 with brackets and tubing to suit a 3y carbie it you are interested let me know i'm in vic western subbeinthemud wrote:Any one know someone in Vic that has them
dont need 3y stuff got a 2lt
480 for the supercharge and a 2lt is a 3y moter
the brackets is to bolt the supercharge to the moter
What about this?Tonka tuff 4x4 wrote:i recently just bought a kit but the only thing i need is a top hat for the supercharger to blow into. what carby did you use?
i got custom made pulley and all the required accessories (except tophat)
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was that 480 for every thing (bundy4x4)
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yeah i was looking at the CAPA website today.. i am only running 32/36 weber carby... i think that set up (as in the top hat) would be pritty pricie. but cheers..i also just wanna say to everyone thanks for the reply and information.
i have researched for 2 weeks and can't find anyone that has put a super charger on a 3y 2litre with a carby.. are these motors that bad?
i have researched for 2 weeks and can't find anyone that has put a super charger on a 3y 2litre with a carby.. are these motors that bad?
Twin turbo V8 Commodore, WRX and an FPV Falcon... Satisfied numb nuts?drifter** * wrote:that reply probably would have been accurate in the 80's, what turbo petrol's have you driven?KUSTOMV840 wrote:I prefer a S/C over a turbo any day on a petrol. No major exhaust mods as mentioned plus the S/C gives a flat torque line. No waiting for the turbo to spool up.drifter** * wrote:you guys do realize you can get turbos now.
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