Will the std rover diffs & axles handle 33" tyres without breaking. I have heard that the std rover axles are a weak point. What is the largest tyre size being used with std axles & diffs.
Has anyone had any problems with 33's & std diffs / axles?
Thanks
Steve
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Std axles with 33" MTR's
Moderator: Micka
NO................maybe............YES......Nah 
They will eventual be damaged/brake by running that size tyre, but depending on how you drive your vehicle off road the axles could last for ages or they could break the first time you go out.
Look at some of the previous post on this (do a search) and you will find that there are some people that have run 35" rubber on standard axles and not broken one yet and others that have busted axles on only 31" rubber.
Its a hard topic to realy narrow down as everyone drives differently and in different places.
They will eventual be damaged/brake by running that size tyre, but depending on how you drive your vehicle off road the axles could last for ages or they could break the first time you go out.
Look at some of the previous post on this (do a search) and you will find that there are some people that have run 35" rubber on standard axles and not broken one yet and others that have busted axles on only 31" rubber.
Its a hard topic to realy narrow down as everyone drives differently and in different places.
and also if your rover is like mine and has the zf auto and viscous transfer case you first low on a descent will be around 20Kph 
Pretty fast, so you would wanna look into some different gearing if you can afford it.............I CANT
OW AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHY NO ONE SEARCHES FOR SHIT AS I JUST TRIED TO AND THE SEARCH FUNCTION IS USELESS
Pretty fast, so you would wanna look into some different gearing if you can afford it.............I CANT
OW AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHY NO ONE SEARCHES FOR SHIT AS I JUST TRIED TO AND THE SEARCH FUNCTION IS USELESS
You didn;t say what year you rangie was ? if it is early it will have 10 spline and if that is the case you could drive around in circles on flat gound in low range and break axels with 33" MTRs if it is a later model then you will have 24 splines (after 92) and they would fare a little better
Aquarangie on this site has 32" MTRs and an arb rear with 10 splines
and has only broken one set, pretty reliable all things considered
Aquarangie on this site has 32" MTRs and an arb rear with 10 splines
and has only broken one set, pretty reliable all things considered
I meant to say there that Aquarangie's success is largley due to his driving technique, he will only engage the locker to get over/out of a tight spot and the turns if off straight away, he got 18 months out of a set of 10 spines and when he is drive out there he doesn't much about, plenty of loud pedal.
Tom
Tom
I've busted my std front rover axle with 33's after getting airborne on Rocky Track and have seen a mates diff housing explode (not quite but it had holes punched through it) from a rear diff breaking also running 33's and no locker.
Both breakages were due to some pretty "aggressive" driving and perhaps not indicative of how others may drive.
MickRangie has std Rover axles in the front running 35" Centipedes and hasn't broken anything yet. Perhaps it coz he drives like a pansy!
Both breakages were due to some pretty "aggressive" driving and perhaps not indicative of how others may drive.
MickRangie has std Rover axles in the front running 35" Centipedes and hasn't broken anything yet. Perhaps it coz he drives like a pansy!
You can run 33 inch MT/R's on 10 splines, just have a few spares sets around. Like RaginRover said, what year is your beast. About April of 93 is when they changed all of the 10 spline stuff to 24 (23 years too late, but better than never!!).
To make your 10 spliners last, just be a bit cautious of when the loud pedal is applied and you should get a fair amount of time from a set. I based the term 'fair' looseley as they will break when least expect it!!
Mine lasted 18 months before the big bang happende, but I was running 31 BFG all-terrains, a bit more forgiving on the 10 spliners!!
I got 2 sets now, so I feel a bit safer. I guess I'll have to see how long they last!!!
Regards,
Trav
To make your 10 spliners last, just be a bit cautious of when the loud pedal is applied and you should get a fair amount of time from a set. I based the term 'fair' looseley as they will break when least expect it!!
Mine lasted 18 months before the big bang happende, but I was running 31 BFG all-terrains, a bit more forgiving on the 10 spliners!!
I got 2 sets now, so I feel a bit safer. I guess I'll have to see how long they last!!!
Regards,
Trav
Land Rover- The Collingwood of 4WD's!!!!
Depens on the wallet, I drove on standard 10 splines for 3 years with 33's and only ever broke 1 axle, 4 years on maxi's and only broken 1. however the maths says that i can buy 3 sets of standard axles for the price of 1 maxi axle. how much do you want to spend in the long run.
As shown plenty of people still run them, so "FOLLOW YOUR WALLET SON"
Cheers,
bEN
As shown plenty of people still run them, so "FOLLOW YOUR WALLET SON"
Cheers,
bEN
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Sorry Steve - back to topic. In Mick's defense, he does give those axles a pretty hard time, so it says something for the strength of the 24 spline. How the CV's are holding up, I'm not sure.
What spline axles do you have? As AR said - anything post 93 is 24 spline.
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Sorry Steve - back to topic. In Mick's defense, he does give those axles a pretty hard time, so it says something for the strength of the 24 spline. How the CV's are holding up, I'm not sure.
What spline axles do you have? As AR said - anything post 93 is 24 spline.
My honest opinion is that people who have 10 splines are on borrowed time...
HOWEVER:
I think it is mostly to do with FATIGUE that these 10 splines hit the dirt...I mean, the YOUNGEST ones are in the ´92-93 Discos, and with the bad build quality, style of wheeling we do, and the modifications, they are bound to give.
FWIW, I´ve broken too many CVs, axles (24 rear and 10 front) to count...despite the fact that I push the enveloppe.
Hopefully the "new" set-up will be far better (once I figure out what is that )
HOWEVER:
I think it is mostly to do with FATIGUE that these 10 splines hit the dirt...I mean, the YOUNGEST ones are in the ´92-93 Discos, and with the bad build quality, style of wheeling we do, and the modifications, they are bound to give.
FWIW, I´ve broken too many CVs, axles (24 rear and 10 front) to count...despite the fact that I push the enveloppe.
Hopefully the "new" set-up will be far better (once I figure out what is that )
LR Disco truggy:
42" Iroks, ZF, dual cases & ARBs, 30 splined, Longfielded, OMEs, Optimas, M8274-50s, Rockstomper rope & Bead-L
LR D-90 TD5 ST:
33" BFT AT, tuned, caged, 1/2 top
42" Iroks, ZF, dual cases & ARBs, 30 splined, Longfielded, OMEs, Optimas, M8274-50s, Rockstomper rope & Bead-L
LR D-90 TD5 ST:
33" BFT AT, tuned, caged, 1/2 top
While we can all say that Rangie 10 splines are crap and I'm not arguing that, but we must also look at the way we drive!!
I admit I drive my Rangie hard at times and this caused my 10 spliners to shit themselves. Plus also adding this MT/R's also accelerated the damage (I would say that they had been fatigued for a while when I had the 31's on). Like I have said, I try to use my air locker sparingly and only when needed and if I can attempt an obstacle without it. I do.
Plus I also agree that even driving your Rangie/Disco lightly you still can break them without too much effort. It's a matter of xchecking them after every off-road trip (of which I got lazy of doing until they broke!!)
Regards,
Trav
I admit I drive my Rangie hard at times and this caused my 10 spliners to shit themselves. Plus also adding this MT/R's also accelerated the damage (I would say that they had been fatigued for a while when I had the 31's on). Like I have said, I try to use my air locker sparingly and only when needed and if I can attempt an obstacle without it. I do.
Plus I also agree that even driving your Rangie/Disco lightly you still can break them without too much effort. It's a matter of xchecking them after every off-road trip (of which I got lazy of doing until they broke!!)
Regards,
Trav
Land Rover- The Collingwood of 4WD's!!!!
We've got ten splines in the airlockers front and rear and in 10 years have only broken 2 axles, one went without a whimper so I guess it was fatiuged (Rear) and the front went when I was braking heavily down a hill and my right foot hit the accelerator and something had to give! We use mainly on those sort of trips 32.5" superswampers which we have had for about 5 years but as has been suggested we only use power that is neccessary to get us through.
RichardK
RichardK
...and still it keeps powering on
10 spines are OK for stock tyres, fine with larger tyres as long as you are aware there is a weak link in the drive train and drive accordingly. I ran 31" tryes for a few years and put 255x85's (33.5") on 18 months ago and broke my first axle after 12 months and about 15,000 km's. The axle was the short front and had been fatigued for years by the look of it, the fresh part of the break was tiny, it lokked like it had been 95% broken for ages. I was aware that with larger tyres things may break, and they have, but the axle probably would have failed on 31"s or even stock tyres.
To me 1 axle in 4-5 years is not too bad.
To me 1 axle in 4-5 years is not too bad.
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