Just to let everyone know that there will be a few changes next year to the vehicle guidelines in all Classes of an Xtreme 4X4 Sport Event. Below are a few that are planed.
As of 2010
1:- Pump Fuel only - no more then 100ml in (#off the shelf) additives to a 100lts of fuel can be used.
(#means available at normal service station)
2:- Inner front guards (alloy or steel only) and Genuine front guard mounts/supports to be fitted. May be adjusted to fit suspension components.
3:- Original chassis to be used (rear most diff/spring support to forward most diff/spring support) but may be shortened or lengthened.
2011 on:-
1:- Turbo's and Superchargers can only be fitted to the original engine (if under 4350cc) of that model of vehicle used.
2:- No hydro steer
3:- LPG only on petrol motors.
If your vehicle does not comply to the above changes #1 or #3 for 2011 there will be a penalty applied - to be advised.
Cheers
David Metcalfe
Competition Manager
Xtreme 4x4 Sport
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2010 & Beyond Update of XWC, EFS XI & EFS TEAMS
Moderator: evanstaniland
2010 & Beyond Update of XWC, EFS XI & EFS TEAMS
David Metcalfe, runs Xtreme 4X4 Sport which is the home of ARB Xtreme Winch Challenge Series, Xtreme International & 4WD Angel Adventure supporting Angel Flight Australia
here we go nissan and jeep comp.......... nissan have the tb 42 jeep have the 4lt both injected and you are allowed with no penaltys to turbo but what motor in a toyota can you turbo the 3f that sucks .
do you hate forced induction dave.
ow well such as life i wish you made it up to 4.5ltr not 4.35ltr wat a crap number to pick.
do you hate forced induction dave.
ow well such as life i wish you made it up to 4.5ltr not 4.35ltr wat a crap number to pick.
simple we will just have to find another comp to do because there is no way im changing something that i have allready put a crap load of money into, there will be alot of people in the same boat , soon you will have to have a different vehicle for each comp just to be competetive.
Dave i know you will have your reasons why, but is it not about the competitor anymore??
Dave i know you will have your reasons why, but is it not about the competitor anymore??
2010
Ok ladies & gentlemen.
I am here for the long term & not the short term and I want this sport to continue growing in numbers not motor size.
Lets not go along the lines of some of the biggest Offroad races and price ourselves out of the sport.
At no point have I said that you could not compete. And like a race horse if you are good then you will be weighed up. Meaning if you must go away from the rules you will be penalised.
As of competitors that it will affect that have competed this year is 3 and they may have even retired by the time the changes have come in force anyway.
I treat the XWC as a Teams Event not he with the most money or best suspension or biggest motor to win. The Team part has to come first.
I am to blame here in Queensland for allowing it for so long in my events which in turn has carried over into other events; The time has come that we have to pull back to make the sport grow.
I would suggest if you want to use your vehicle in multi events including CAMS Offroad events it would be in your best interest to use CAMS spec as the base for your vehicle buildup but also keep in mind other event rules. The main point is that CAMS do not allow motors over 6lt and turbo charged or supercharged over 3.5lt. (I will stand corrected on the 3.5lt engine size)
Ladies & Gentlemen I have only one agender, that is to make this sport grow in the years to come.
Cheers
David Metcalfe
Competition Manager
Xtreme 4x4 Sport
I am here for the long term & not the short term and I want this sport to continue growing in numbers not motor size.
Lets not go along the lines of some of the biggest Offroad races and price ourselves out of the sport.
At no point have I said that you could not compete. And like a race horse if you are good then you will be weighed up. Meaning if you must go away from the rules you will be penalised.
As of competitors that it will affect that have competed this year is 3 and they may have even retired by the time the changes have come in force anyway.
I treat the XWC as a Teams Event not he with the most money or best suspension or biggest motor to win. The Team part has to come first.
I am to blame here in Queensland for allowing it for so long in my events which in turn has carried over into other events; The time has come that we have to pull back to make the sport grow.
I would suggest if you want to use your vehicle in multi events including CAMS Offroad events it would be in your best interest to use CAMS spec as the base for your vehicle buildup but also keep in mind other event rules. The main point is that CAMS do not allow motors over 6lt and turbo charged or supercharged over 3.5lt. (I will stand corrected on the 3.5lt engine size)
Ladies & Gentlemen I have only one agender, that is to make this sport grow in the years to come.
Cheers
David Metcalfe
Competition Manager
Xtreme 4x4 Sport
David Metcalfe, runs Xtreme 4X4 Sport which is the home of ARB Xtreme Winch Challenge Series, Xtreme International & 4WD Angel Adventure supporting Angel Flight Australia
I still rekon dave would be best setting up an
(1) OPEN EXTREME CLASS where rigs have to roughly resemble a make of some sort, but with that being the only limit.
# class to be UNREGESTERED,
# no tyre restrictions
# no engine restrictions
# no suspension restrictions
# no chassis restrictions
# Just STRICT SAFTY RESTRICTIONS (basicly open wallet racing)
(2) PRODUCTION CLASS
# vechicles must be registered
# 3"suspension
# 2" body
# factory motor of that year/make/modle
# 35"tyres (the same as all other production class comps in AUS)
# tyre locks/bead locks allowed
ECT ECT ECT
the Extreme class has gone a long way, why not let it develop to the next level like the other States , But have the Modified PRODUCTION CLASS as the restricted / registered class.. you can run both comps together over the same stages... Then DAVE would be known as the bloke who took extreme motor racing to the next competitave level while still upholding an entry level class.
Cheers PIGLET.....
(1) OPEN EXTREME CLASS where rigs have to roughly resemble a make of some sort, but with that being the only limit.
# class to be UNREGESTERED,
# no tyre restrictions
# no engine restrictions
# no suspension restrictions
# no chassis restrictions
# Just STRICT SAFTY RESTRICTIONS (basicly open wallet racing)
(2) PRODUCTION CLASS
# vechicles must be registered
# 3"suspension
# 2" body
# factory motor of that year/make/modle
# 35"tyres (the same as all other production class comps in AUS)
# tyre locks/bead locks allowed
ECT ECT ECT
the Extreme class has gone a long way, why not let it develop to the next level like the other States , But have the Modified PRODUCTION CLASS as the restricted / registered class.. you can run both comps together over the same stages... Then DAVE would be known as the bloke who took extreme motor racing to the next competitave level while still upholding an entry level class.
Cheers PIGLET.....
DAIHATSU FEROZA UTE,V6,caged,lokd 35's
NOW SOLD
& then
GQ DUAL CAB TUFF UTE,caged,lokd,35's
NOW SOLD
& then
JK WRANGLER 4 DOOR TUFF TOURER,lifted,lokd, 35s
NOW SOLD
& then
GQ DUAL CAB TUFF UTE,caged,lokd,35's
NOW SOLD
& then
JK WRANGLER 4 DOOR TUFF TOURER,lifted,lokd, 35s
[quote="wanna lux"]why not gas on a td42[/quote]
I could easly say because I said so.
But infact the only reason for the LPG is to get an advantage it is the same as NOS on a petrol.
This keeps it fair for the others with petrol motored vehicles who are not allowed to use NOS due to rules.
Cheers
David Metcalfe
Competition Manager
Xtreme 4x4 Sport
I could easly say because I said so.
But infact the only reason for the LPG is to get an advantage it is the same as NOS on a petrol.
This keeps it fair for the others with petrol motored vehicles who are not allowed to use NOS due to rules.
Cheers
David Metcalfe
Competition Manager
Xtreme 4x4 Sport
David Metcalfe, runs Xtreme 4X4 Sport which is the home of ARB Xtreme Winch Challenge Series, Xtreme International & 4WD Angel Adventure supporting Angel Flight Australia
[quote="pigletracing"]I still rekon dave would be best setting up an
(1) OPEN EXTREME CLASS where rigs have to roughly resemble a make of some sort, but with that being the only limit.
# class to be UNREGESTERED,
# no tyre restrictions
# no engine restrictions
# no suspension restrictions
# no chassis restrictions
# Just STRICT SAFTY RESTRICTIONS (basicly open wallet racing)
Piglet what you have said up here is a "Rock Crawling/Racing" Class and we already have that Class at TTC.
Guess what it is not going to happen in my events.
I will let someone else start it.
Just keep to the facts guys if you want something different, just start your own event and make your own rules.
Cheers
David Metcalfe
Competition Manager
Xtreme 4x4 Sport
(1) OPEN EXTREME CLASS where rigs have to roughly resemble a make of some sort, but with that being the only limit.
# class to be UNREGESTERED,
# no tyre restrictions
# no engine restrictions
# no suspension restrictions
# no chassis restrictions
# Just STRICT SAFTY RESTRICTIONS (basicly open wallet racing)
Piglet what you have said up here is a "Rock Crawling/Racing" Class and we already have that Class at TTC.
Guess what it is not going to happen in my events.
I will let someone else start it.
Just keep to the facts guys if you want something different, just start your own event and make your own rules.
Cheers
David Metcalfe
Competition Manager
Xtreme 4x4 Sport
David Metcalfe, runs Xtreme 4X4 Sport which is the home of ARB Xtreme Winch Challenge Series, Xtreme International & 4WD Angel Adventure supporting Angel Flight Australia
No dave you dont get the point..
Thats rock crawling, NOT whinch challenge... we want winch challenge, thats why we do it, we like speed & difficulty, not slow & difficulty...
I want to do the Production class not the extreme...
I feel that if you seperate them totaly, as in registered & unregisteres/cams you will get even more numbers for production class while still retaining most of the exreme class with the super highly modded rigs.
PIGLET im not trying to stir up sh#t, I just want to see the sport grow.
Thats rock crawling, NOT whinch challenge... we want winch challenge, thats why we do it, we like speed & difficulty, not slow & difficulty...
I want to do the Production class not the extreme...
I feel that if you seperate them totaly, as in registered & unregisteres/cams you will get even more numbers for production class while still retaining most of the exreme class with the super highly modded rigs.
PIGLET im not trying to stir up sh#t, I just want to see the sport grow.
DAIHATSU FEROZA UTE,V6,caged,lokd 35's
NOW SOLD
& then
GQ DUAL CAB TUFF UTE,caged,lokd,35's
NOW SOLD
& then
JK WRANGLER 4 DOOR TUFF TOURER,lifted,lokd, 35s
NOW SOLD
& then
GQ DUAL CAB TUFF UTE,caged,lokd,35's
NOW SOLD
& then
JK WRANGLER 4 DOOR TUFF TOURER,lifted,lokd, 35s
pigletracing wrote:No dave you dont get the point..
Thats rock crawling, NOT whinch challenge... we want winch challenge, thats why we do it, we like speed & difficulty, not slow & difficulty...
I want to do the Production class not the extreme...
I feel that if you seperate them totaly, as in registered & unregisteres/cams you will get even more numbers for production class while still retaining most of the exreme class with the super highly modded rigs.
PIGLET im not trying to stir up sh#t, I just want to see the sport grow.
Your last comment is why I am doing this. You will also find that the SSS is going to follow suit.
BTW I have had several calls today in support of changes and these come both from Industry & a past V8 supercharged driver.
This is the way forward.
And by giving plenty of warning it give people time to change, build accordingly or race with a penalty come the start of 2011. After all it is 18 months away.
Cheers
David Metcalfe
Competition Manager
Xtreme 4x4 Sport
David Metcalfe, runs Xtreme 4X4 Sport which is the home of ARB Xtreme Winch Challenge Series, Xtreme International & 4WD Angel Adventure supporting Angel Flight Australia
Dave
I would like to share some facts in regards to the vic winch chalenge series. In the last two years they have introduced a production class like your self. It apears to me that it is working quite well . In 2008 production cars finished well in all rounds . Round 1 13th , rnd 3 11th , rnd 4 3rd and in the first rnd in 2009 they had production cars finishing in 8th , 11th and 13th. I have to agree with pigglet on this topic and it may just mean you have to have the same amount of prizes and trophies for both classes to attract more people to production class . May be even a larger prize to production class .I believe Production cars can compete with challenge class vehicles and be competitive . It will be sad to see the day that people are governed in their development of their cars as i find it facinating to see what different ideas people come up with. I feel the only affect by going down this path is decreasing the standard of vehicle in queensland while the rest of the country grows . We would not want sub standard cars competing against the southernes now would we
.
Regards
Greg
I would like to share some facts in regards to the vic winch chalenge series. In the last two years they have introduced a production class like your self. It apears to me that it is working quite well . In 2008 production cars finished well in all rounds . Round 1 13th , rnd 3 11th , rnd 4 3rd and in the first rnd in 2009 they had production cars finishing in 8th , 11th and 13th. I have to agree with pigglet on this topic and it may just mean you have to have the same amount of prizes and trophies for both classes to attract more people to production class . May be even a larger prize to production class .I believe Production cars can compete with challenge class vehicles and be competitive . It will be sad to see the day that people are governed in their development of their cars as i find it facinating to see what different ideas people come up with. I feel the only affect by going down this path is decreasing the standard of vehicle in queensland while the rest of the country grows . We would not want sub standard cars competing against the southernes now would we
.Regards
Greg
Well said Jacko,
If we just look in the past to the vehicles that have been competetive , pop in the hilux, robbie marshal, rod mcraw, allan mac, etc etc etc
it all comes back to driver ability and team work . Dont make it hard for the people that have supported you in the past dave as i hope to still do these events in the future
If we just look in the past to the vehicles that have been competetive , pop in the hilux, robbie marshal, rod mcraw, allan mac, etc etc etc
it all comes back to driver ability and team work . Dont make it hard for the people that have supported you in the past dave as i hope to still do these events in the future
If it were up to me I would say run an inlet restrictor.
That way it can be fitted for your comp, and removed for others.
That said I comend what you are doing with / for the sport.
There are 100's of ways to race $$ in this country, I think you are making it possible for the majority at the expense of the minority.
That said I haven't run anything but your night navs, don't intend to run your (or any other) winch challenge, and probably best not open my mouth.
Edit: I just read the above 2 posts and see the other side too. Maybe 2 classes is an option. Maybe unlimited and a CAMS restricted class (further governed by your rules)?
That way it can be fitted for your comp, and removed for others.
That said I comend what you are doing with / for the sport.
There are 100's of ways to race $$ in this country, I think you are making it possible for the majority at the expense of the minority.
That said I haven't run anything but your night navs, don't intend to run your (or any other) winch challenge, and probably best not open my mouth.
Edit: I just read the above 2 posts and see the other side too. Maybe 2 classes is an option. Maybe unlimited and a CAMS restricted class (further governed by your rules)?
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so the way i read it is my car will still comply, will just have to have two fuel maps and drain the tank and put standard fuel in it for 4 races a year and back the boost off. Is this right dave i'll still be ok with triples and coilovers in the reae and triples in the front with the long arm wheel base extension? im still runnin factory box and original 4.2 block.
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F & R Air lockers
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Loose Nut Behind the Wheel
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sswaffie wrote:Well said Jacko,
If we just look in the past to the vehicles that have been competetive , pop in the hilux, robbie marshal, rod mcraw, allan mac, etc etc etc
it all comes back to driver ability and team work . Dont make it hard for the people that have supported you in the past dave as i hope to still do these events in the future
Don't read it wrong.
This rule does not start until 2011; It give those concerned & those that want to come into the sport an idea what is going to happen in the future of Xtreme 4x4 Sport Events.
Last Round it would only affect 4 vehicles out of 30+.
I am not making it hard for people who have supported me in the past.
After all you can still race, but the same as a good horse you might be weighted up a little bit.
I now have to look at the big picture "The Future" and have more people coming up the ranks.
Sorry Troy your answer is yes subject to change with 12months notice.
Cheers
David Metcalfe
Competition Manager
Xtreme 4x4 Sport
David Metcalfe, runs Xtreme 4X4 Sport which is the home of ARB Xtreme Winch Challenge Series, Xtreme International & 4WD Angel Adventure supporting Angel Flight Australia
I can sort of see where Dave is coming from here. Its really only a handicap points system, not a total ban.
I remember back in the 80's when the Australian Safari had 200+ entries, and the Kempsey Macleay 1000 with similiar numbers with Colin Bond and Dick Johnson as guest competitors, it seemed hard to believe that such large sporting events could slowly grind themselves to death in the following years, with only now a bit of resurgence with events such as The Fink and The Condo 750. (Both originally started as minimal budget events for battlers).
The huge budget of a small minority basically pushed the battlers at the time to give it away and become spectators. We still loved the sport but just could never hope to grab a top 3 position even with the best of luck on our side. Basically money won the day and I am sure contributed to the huge decrease in participation.
Sooner or later the likes of Dave and maybe even the CCDA will need to consider where the bulk of the entries and their subsequent budgets are coming from. The fact that Production Class is struggling to get the numbers is an indication that its not where most competitors want to be. I for one just love the sound of a big V8 no matter how much power it has. I support the Farmtruck(Dave Burrows) from here, a battler with a limited budget, who knows he will never win an event in the old 45, but just loves the thought of finishing in the top 10, and that makes him one of the most enthusiastic competitors. If, even with brilliant teamwork, he could never finish in the top 20, he would give it away and go back to club events. He can't afford to build another truck, and I am sure there are many other competitors out there with the same issue. (I for one miss Festa competing).
Today we have alot more options for racing, but most of these are under CAMS specs. (Max 6 litre), staduim, Off Road rounds, Fink, etc. Other than Cliffhanger, there is not alot of growth Aust. wide in winch challenge and OBC type events at the moment, alot of the VIC guys are considering following Sandy Bowman's path. If more trucks are built for mutli use it makes the whole off road scene stronger.
Whether we like it or not, we are going to face more govt restrictions (look at the **** fight going on in NSW at the moment), and we may very well need the help of CAMS/CCDA and a strong competitor base in the near future just to compete on anything other than tarmac.
Just my two cents worth for consideration guys, that's all.
Phil
I remember back in the 80's when the Australian Safari had 200+ entries, and the Kempsey Macleay 1000 with similiar numbers with Colin Bond and Dick Johnson as guest competitors, it seemed hard to believe that such large sporting events could slowly grind themselves to death in the following years, with only now a bit of resurgence with events such as The Fink and The Condo 750. (Both originally started as minimal budget events for battlers).
The huge budget of a small minority basically pushed the battlers at the time to give it away and become spectators. We still loved the sport but just could never hope to grab a top 3 position even with the best of luck on our side. Basically money won the day and I am sure contributed to the huge decrease in participation.
Sooner or later the likes of Dave and maybe even the CCDA will need to consider where the bulk of the entries and their subsequent budgets are coming from. The fact that Production Class is struggling to get the numbers is an indication that its not where most competitors want to be. I for one just love the sound of a big V8 no matter how much power it has. I support the Farmtruck(Dave Burrows) from here, a battler with a limited budget, who knows he will never win an event in the old 45, but just loves the thought of finishing in the top 10, and that makes him one of the most enthusiastic competitors. If, even with brilliant teamwork, he could never finish in the top 20, he would give it away and go back to club events. He can't afford to build another truck, and I am sure there are many other competitors out there with the same issue. (I for one miss Festa competing).
Today we have alot more options for racing, but most of these are under CAMS specs. (Max 6 litre), staduim, Off Road rounds, Fink, etc. Other than Cliffhanger, there is not alot of growth Aust. wide in winch challenge and OBC type events at the moment, alot of the VIC guys are considering following Sandy Bowman's path. If more trucks are built for mutli use it makes the whole off road scene stronger.
Whether we like it or not, we are going to face more govt restrictions (look at the **** fight going on in NSW at the moment), and we may very well need the help of CAMS/CCDA and a strong competitor base in the near future just to compete on anything other than tarmac.
Just my two cents worth for consideration guys, that's all.
Phil
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Dave what a good idea, point penalties for those trucks outside the guidelines. Whats the problem. This system is in a lot of other motor sports. It doesnt stop further development with your vehicle it just helps to bring everyone back onto a level playing field. Like Dave said you can still compete. This however will help the sport grow which is what we all want. I'am with you Dave..
im not complaining the fuel is the least of my worries, i am only runnin it on race fuel all the time cause it is safer on the internals of me motor and costs are pretty much similar now with the way the bowser is charging, cheap insurance. just as long as the rest of me car is good.
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Re: 2010 & Beyond Update of XWC, EFS XI & EFS TEAMS
does that rule out hydro assist which still has a normal steering box and links (like what Yuri sells), or is it only full Hydro like Jacko's?XTREME MMM wrote:
2:- No hydro steer
Cheers
David Metcalfe
Competition Manager
Xtreme 4x4 Sport
Re: 2010 & Beyond Update of XWC, EFS XI & EFS TEAMS
mickyd555 wrote:does that rule out hydro assist which still has a normal steering box and links (like what Yuri sells), or is it only full Hydro like Jacko's?XTREME MMM wrote:
2:- No hydro steer
Cheers
David Metcalfe
Competition Manager
Xtreme 4x4 Sport
Hi, No it does not, hydro assist allowed.
Full hydro is not allowed now apart from 1 vehicle. Greg Jacksons original vehicle is exempt from this rule until the start of the 2011 Season. Reason have been given in the past, so please leave it at that.
Hydron assist is allowed etc power steering box or hydro assist to original steering style components. (if Yuri uses all the original arms and mountings system and it still has full steering after a hydraulic meltdown, I would say yes until further inspection of steering)
Cheers
David Metcalfe
Competition Manager
Xtreme 4x4 Sport
David Metcalfe, runs Xtreme 4X4 Sport which is the home of ARB Xtreme Winch Challenge Series, Xtreme International & 4WD Angel Adventure supporting Angel Flight Australia
Re: 2010 & Beyond Update of XWC, EFS XI & EFS TEAMS
EG: like most comps - steering system MUST retain mechanical connection, and be FULLY operational independant of engine operation.XTREME MMM wrote:mickyd555 wrote:does that rule out hydro assist which still has a normal steering box and links (like what Yuri sells), or is it only full Hydro like Jacko's?XTREME MMM wrote:
2:- No hydro steer
Cheers
David Metcalfe
Competition Manager
Xtreme 4x4 Sport
Hi, No it does not, hydro assist allowed.
Full hydro is not allowed now apart from 1 vehicle. Greg Jacksons original vehicle is exempt from this rule until the start of the 2011 Season. Reason have been given in the past, so please leave it at that.
Hydron assist is allowed etc power steering box or hydro assist to original steering style components. (if Yuri uses all the original arms and mountings system and it still has full steering after a hydraulic meltdown, I would say yes until further inspection of steering)
Cheers
David Metcalfe
Competition Manager
Xtreme 4x4 Sport
(I gather thats what dave means
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i notice you are introducing alot of rules so the person with the most money or best suspension doesnt always win, but nothing is said about probably one of the dearest parts on the car, my winch with cable owes me over 11grand, more with the 24volt system,
and its a way way bigger advantage over a stock winch than a blown v8 is over a td42,
if i had to pick big motor and stock winch or stock motor and big winch, i would pick big winch hands down
holden 5l $1400 powerdyne supercharger kit $5000 =$6400lets add on 1500 just fot little stuff =7900
warn high mount $3200
freespool and widened drum$2500
motors$600x2 without spares
twin motor adapter plus breakshaft$2700
cable$600
solanoids$180x2 with out spares
altenator$300
easy $500 for wiring everything with big cable
batterys$170x2
=$11700 without spares
much bigger outlay and much more of a advantage but no mention of it,
ill say the same as piglet AGAIN, make a big class with more open rules, not rock crawling but the same tracks as everyone just more open rules,
glad i going class 8, same rules everywhere in australia, so if im competetive in townsville i can be anywhere in aus.
to be competetive in cliff hanger i dont think you got much of a hope complying to daves rules
GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL
and its a way way bigger advantage over a stock winch than a blown v8 is over a td42,
if i had to pick big motor and stock winch or stock motor and big winch, i would pick big winch hands down
holden 5l $1400 powerdyne supercharger kit $5000 =$6400lets add on 1500 just fot little stuff =7900
warn high mount $3200
freespool and widened drum$2500
motors$600x2 without spares
twin motor adapter plus breakshaft$2700
cable$600
solanoids$180x2 with out spares
altenator$300
easy $500 for wiring everything with big cable
batterys$170x2
=$11700 without spares
much bigger outlay and much more of a advantage but no mention of it,
ill say the same as piglet AGAIN, make a big class with more open rules, not rock crawling but the same tracks as everyone just more open rules,
glad i going class 8, same rules everywhere in australia, so if im competetive in townsville i can be anywhere in aus.
to be competetive in cliff hanger i dont think you got much of a hope complying to daves rules
GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL
Re: 2010 & Beyond Update of XWC, EFS XI & EFS TEAMS
1MadEngineer wrote:EG: like most comps - steering system MUST retain mechanical connection, and be FULLY operational independant of engine operation.XTREME MMM wrote:mickyd555 wrote:does that rule out hydro assist which still has a normal steering box and links (like what Yuri sells), or is it only full Hydro like Jacko's?XTREME MMM wrote:
2:- No hydro steer
Cheers
David Metcalfe
Competition Manager
Xtreme 4x4 Sport
Hi, No it does not, hydro assist allowed.
Full hydro is not allowed now apart from 1 vehicle. Greg Jacksons original vehicle is exempt from this rule until the start of the 2011 Season. Reason have been given in the past, so please leave it at that.
Hydron assist is allowed etc power steering box or hydro assist to original steering style components. (if Yuri uses all the original arms and mountings system and it still has full steering after a hydraulic meltdown, I would say yes until further inspection of steering)
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David Metcalfe
Competition Manager
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(I gather thats what dave means
Hi Greg, Yes that is a correct statement.
Steering system MUST retain mechanical connection, and be FULLY operational independant of engine operation.
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David Metcalfe, runs Xtreme 4X4 Sport which is the home of ARB Xtreme Winch Challenge Series, Xtreme International & 4WD Angel Adventure supporting Angel Flight Australia
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whatever you do make sure it looks like the real thing, and is road legal...i dont weather to order the $50000 hand built 800HP DURAMAX or get the $45000 BIRDY INSPIRED TURBO TB 42 (TB 4.8 internals STOKER) or $50000 HYRO NZ [SUPERWINCH] .... or just make DAMO learn to use the GPS and RUN faster .... LOL
How many penalty points will these new rules incur when they come into play is it just a one off at the start of each round/event or will it be per stage. Some of the penalty's dont realy fit the big boys verse production class argumet, like haveing to retain original guard mounts and limititations on iner guard material there is no real competition advantage there just a little bit easyer on the people that like damaging there front end from time to time.
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UPPY wrote:How many penalty points will these new rules incur when they come into play is it just a one off at the start of each round/event or will it be per stage. Some of the penalty's dont realy fit the big boys verse production class argumet, like haveing to retain original guard mounts and limititations on iner guard material there is no real competition advantage there just a little bit easyer on the people that like damaging there front end from time to time.
As the racing is very close, I will be looking at it over the next Round, EFS XI & the 2010 Series.
The penalty will be a handicap at the start worked out on the event.
XWC over 10 SS may only have 20 points where as the XI with 40 SS may have 60 points Teams event may have 30 points. These points will be total at the start of the event.
Cheers
David Metcalfe
Competition Manager
Xtreme 4x4 Sport
David Metcalfe, runs Xtreme 4X4 Sport which is the home of ARB Xtreme Winch Challenge Series, Xtreme International & 4WD Angel Adventure supporting Angel Flight Australia
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