[QLD] Xtreme Production Winch - 28th - 30th August!

[frp88]

What's extreme production. Is this just another extreme winch challenge. With likes of piglet racing thats not production to me. Not having a go at him he is a top driver and truck is awesome,but the truck is not off the production line. (Or unless there in another truck)
Im thinking of the lines of qg's,gu's.80's ect utes and wagons with 33's -35's lockers,winch.
Not full blown comp trucks

this isn't having ago at MMM but i am with you they are would be comp trucks with factory engins and near stock winch. I thought it would be more like weekend warriors having a go to see if they would like to step up to the big boys.

[rammer60]

id love to have a go, would be a step up in way of the competitions ive run. but correct me if im wrong, but my understanding of the rules is im allowed very little lift ( leaf sprung 60 series ) cant have any kind of extended shackles, so a very stock sort of truck, but im expected to have a ccda or similarly approved roll cage fitted? to me that doesnt seem like a logical order of modifications. im just asking the question, not looking to start anything, and im all for safety, but a full internal cage in a 'production' based vehicle? i just wonder if the rules have kept alot of people from being elidgible, as it has for me

[crazy eyes]

honestly the cost of a roll cage is cheap when it saves your life so it is a good modification and can be done fairly cheap . I borrowed a bender and did my own with some help from a mate to mmm specs and rules .
and as for using a 60 mate you will be suprised how good it will do .
I started with a 75 series ute so it can be done.
cheers crazy eyes

[XTREME MMM]

What's extreme production. Is this just another extreme winch challenge. With likes of piglet racing thats not production to me. Not having a go at him he is a top driver and truck is awesome,but the truck is not off the production line. (Or unless there in another truck)
Im thinking of the lines of qg's,gu's.80's ect utes and wagons with 33's -35's lockers,winch.
Not full blown comp trucks

this isn't having ago at MMM but i am with you they are would be comp trucks with factory engins and near stock winch. I thought it would be more like weekend warriors having a go to see if they would like to step up to the big boys.

Hey guys this event is for the road legal vehicle, all you need is a roll bar, winch, 33" tyres, 2/3" lift and of course the motor it came with.

So you better go to the rule book and have a look before you make a comment of what is and what isn't allowed, you could find that you are incorrect.

Not allowed:- twin winch motors, 24volt unless standard, but then must run 24 volt winch motor, no PTO, no more then 1 Alternator etc etc.

So these are not full blown comp trucks.

If you build your vehicle right all you have to do is hook up the 24volt for your winch, take out the spacers on your winch drum, hook up the airfree spool & fit your 35's back on now you have a comp truck for the Xtreme Class in XWC.

Yes just backing up Crazy Eyes a roll cage is for your safety, you can roll over at any time. I would not conduct an event without proper safety gear.

Cheers
David

[biggsy]

Im out then, I have a v8 with 5'inch on 33's and a winch on my patrol. Would have been good practice to get into xwc

[rockcrawler31]

So you better go to the rule book and have a look before you make a comment of what is and what isn't allowed, you could find that you are incorrect.

Not allowed:- twin winch motors, 24volt unless standard, but then must run 24 volt winch motor, no PTO, no more then 1 Alternator etc etc.

So these are not full blown comp trucks.

Yes just backing up Crazy Eyes a roll cage is for your safety, you can roll over at any time. I would not conduct an event without proper safety gear.

Cheers
David

I know it's your event dave but you need to listen to the folks who you are targeting to get entries. This business about PTO's being "hardcore" and "too hard to judge what has been done to them internally" is horseshit. A few facts for you champ -

1. They cost the same as a eleccy winch to set up they certainly aren't a big budget winch.

2. I have looked far and wide to find a way to make a Thomas PTO competitive. I have found NO way to upgrade the bronze internals (which is the limiting factor in speed/strength) short of having full titanium or cromo gears cut, and it would stillhave the same ratio/line speed anyway. And if you were doing this to the internals of a PTO, then your just as likely to do the same to the internals of a Electric winch. which would be just as hard to verify what has been done.

3. Fact - PTO winches are a legitimate touring/factory item. They've been around longer than electric winches and way longer than the beefed up to hell electric comp winches.

4. the driveshaft and output on a toyota PTO box is rated and limited to 9HP. THATS IT.

5. Me competing with a PTO winch is a DISADVANTAGE not an advantage. Yes it will pull all day long and is pretty strong, but it's SLOW and i can't DRIVE ASSIST without birdcaging the drum and stuffing the winch.

I would have thought that someone with your experience in the 4wd industry would know all of this.

If you can seriously say that a PTO can be made stronger and faster then contact me I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW, because then i wouldn't be spending 3 or 4 grand to change to an electric winch for competitions.

I agree with you on the roll cage though. At the end of the day, paying under 2k for a cage that meets CCDA isn't out of reach for everyone if you save. And last time i checked, Daves requirements for a cage/protection wasn't as hard as CCDA or CAM's

[frp88]

So you better go to the rule book and have a look before you make a comment of what is and what isn't allowed, you could find that you are incorrect.

Not allowed:- twin winch motors, 24volt unless standard, but then must run 24 volt winch motor, no PTO, no more then 1 Alternator etc etc.

So these are not full blown comp trucks.

Yes just backing up Crazy Eyes a roll cage is for your safety, you can roll over at any time. I would not conduct an event without proper safety gear.

Cheers
David

I know it's your event dave but you need to listen to the folks who you are targeting to get entries. This business about PTO's being "hardcore" and "too hard to judge what has been done to them internally" is horseshit. A few facts for you champ -

1. They cost the same as a eleccy winch to set up they certainly aren't a big budget winch.

2. I have looked far and wide to find a way to make a Thomas PTO competitive. I have found NO way to upgrade the bronze internals (which is the limiting factor in speed/strength) short of having full titanium or cromo gears cut, and it would stillhave the same ratio/line speed anyway. And if you were doing this to the internals of a PTO, then your just as likely to do the same to the internals of a Electric winch. which would be just as hard to verify what has been done.

3. Fact - PTO winches are a legitimate touring/factory item. They've been around longer than electric winches and way longer than the beefed up to hell electric comp winches.

4. the driveshaft and output on a toyota PTO box is rated and limited to 9HP. THATS IT.

5. Me competing with a PTO winch is a DISADVANTAGE not an advantage. Yes it will pull all day long and is pretty strong, but it's SLOW and i can't DRIVE ASSIST without birdcaging the drum and stuffing the winch.

I would have thought that someone with your experience in the 4wd industry would know all of this.

If you can seriously say that a PTO can be made stronger and faster then contact me I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW, because then i wouldn't be spending 3 or 4 grand to change to an electric winch for competitions.

I agree with you on the roll cage though. At the end of the day, paying under 2k for a cage that meets CCDA isn't out of reach for everyone if you save. And last time i checked, Daves requirements for a cage/protection wasn't as hard as CCDA or CAM's

I totally agree with you i have factory lockers and winch and factoy cage which I thought where the big $ items but reading the rules I could only the lockers. i cant see building my own cage would be good enough for me to drive the cruiser on the road legal. I think getting an old comp truck with factory donk is the way to go and then down grade to comply. i think from the lack of ppl i might not be the only one with this opinion. It looks to me that the rules are the same except for the drive train lift and winch. i will see if i can do comps like the Senic Rim challenge less rules more general driving event. When it comes down to it i can't afford to buy a comp truck nor can i afford to mod my cruiser to comply to Daves rules

[XTREME MMM]

So you better go to the rule book and have a look before you make a comment of what is and what isn't allowed, you could find that you are incorrect.

Not allowed:- twin winch motors, 24volt unless standard, but then must run 24 volt winch motor, no PTO, no more then 1 Alternator etc etc.

So these are not full blown comp trucks.

Yes just backing up Crazy Eyes a roll cage is for your safety, you can roll over at any time. I would not conduct an event without proper safety gear.

Cheers
David

I know it's your event dave but you need to listen to the folks who you are targeting to get entries. This business about PTO's being "hardcore" and "too hard to judge what has been done to them internally" is horseshit. A few facts for you champ -

1. They cost the same as a eleccy winch to set up they certainly aren't a big budget winch.

2. I have looked far and wide to find a way to make a Thomas PTO competitive. I have found NO way to upgrade the bronze internals (which is the limiting factor in speed/strength) short of having full titanium or cromo gears cut, and it would stillhave the same ratio/line speed anyway. And if you were doing this to the internals of a PTO, then your just as likely to do the same to the internals of a Electric winch. which would be just as hard to verify what has been done.

3. Fact - PTO winches are a legitimate touring/factory item. They've been around longer than electric winches and way longer than the beefed up to hell electric comp winches.

4. the driveshaft and output on a toyota PTO box is rated and limited to 9HP. THATS IT.

5. Me competing with a PTO winch is a DISADVANTAGE not an advantage. Yes it will pull all day long and is pretty strong, but it's SLOW and i can't DRIVE ASSIST without birdcaging the drum and stuffing the winch.

I would have thought that someone with your experience in the 4wd industry would know all of this.

If you can seriously say that a PTO can be made stronger and faster then contact me I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW, because then i wouldn't be spending 3 or 4 grand to change to an electric winch for competitions.

I agree with you on the roll cage though. At the end of the day, paying under 2k for a cage that meets CCDA isn't out of reach for everyone if you save. And last time i checked, Daves requirements for a cage/protection wasn't as hard as CCDA or CAM's

I could not let this one go by. So here are my answers to your points above.

1:- It appears that you are the one out of your depth not me. Yes you are correct but what say if some one installs a PTO Hydraulic winch, heaps of $$$$$$$$$$

2:- Who has said anything about a Thomas, toss that out and make a spirit winch. Then you will know what a fast winch is. But the spirit winch is not allowed anyway any any Xtreme Events.

3:- Yes they were the prefered touring winch 20 plus years ago but things have well & truely changed since then. Show me a GU, 100,200 series with a PTO fitted. I would hate to think what the odds are regards electric to PTO numbers

4:- I think you will find that is how much they use not can be used

5:- Yes I am aware of that until you do work to them or go hydraulic. It also appears that you have no idea that with some PTO's you can get drive at the same time and not birds nest drum.

I do think I have the knowledge re industry & competition. There are more vehicles fitted with electric winches then PTO. PTO when built correctly will out pull an electric but can be a pain in techanical SS.

As for your 3 or 4K on an electric winch, is a very cheap winch for the OPEN Class in XWC. And it is also too much to spend on a winch for production.

Production Winch Cost:-

2nd hand 8274 $1000 if you keep your eyes open.
Service parts $1 - $300
Braced & Serviced $330
6HP motor, if you must $600

Total $2200

Or if you keep your eyes open you may be able to get one with all that for less. I just sold one for $1600 built to Production Class Specs.

My cage spec are based on Qld Transport Light Vehicle Code with a few add ons.

A cage is a must in all events, regardless.

Cheers
David

[Tailspin]

Hey guys this event is for the road legal vehicle, all you need is a roll bar, winch, 33" tyres, 2/3" lift and of course the motor it came with.

Why is this so hard for people to understand.

[gut42]

Production Winch Cost:-

2nd hand 8274 $1000 if you keep your eyes open.
Service parts $1 - $300
Braced & Serviced $330
6HP motor, if you must $600

Total $2200

Or if you keep your eyes open you may be able to get one with all that for less. I just sold one for $1600 built to Production Class Specs.

My cage spec are based on Qld Transport Light Vehicle Code with a few add ons.

A cage is a must in all events, regardless.

Cheers
David [/size]

I have had fun competing in 2 winch challenges now

I picked up an old highmount for $350 and a second hand 6Hp motor for another $350, I had a mate weld some bracing on the back and the winch was done.

Kustom cages fitted my roll cage for under $1000.

cheap as!!!

[XTREME MMM]

Production Winch Cost:-

2nd hand 8274 $1000 if you keep your eyes open.
Service parts $1 - $300
Braced & Serviced $330
6HP motor, if you must $600

Total $2200

Or if you keep your eyes open you may be able to get one with all that for less. I just sold one for $1600 built to Production Class Specs.

My cage spec are based on Qld Transport Light Vehicle Code with a few add ons.

A cage is a must in all events, regardless.

Cheers
David [/size]

I have had fun competing in 2 winch challenges now

I picked up an old highmount for $350 and a second hand 6Hp motor for another $350, I had a mate weld some bracing on the back and the winch was done.

Kustom cages fitted my roll cage for under $1000.

cheap as!!!

Yes you only have to look around abit, to get some good gear. Then you can go out and have some more fun.

It appears that everone wants a class for there type of vehicle, there are several if you have a cage.

There is not one event of this type around for the true production class vehicle, and now you have someone that wants to run one.

Don't mention the roll bar in this event, it is only there for YOUR safety. I do not know of a production vehicle with a suitable roll cage system, ones with FRP tops have "B" pillar roll over protection not good enough for an event as I have explained before.

Cheers
David

[biggsy]

Production Winch Cost:-

2nd hand 8274 $1000 if you keep your eyes open.
Service parts $1 - $300
Braced & Serviced $330
6HP motor, if you must $600

Total $2200

Or if you keep your eyes open you may be able to get one with all that for less. I just sold one for $1600 built to Production Class Specs.

My cage spec are based on Qld Transport Light Vehicle Code with a few add ons.

A cage is a must in all events, regardless.

Cheers
David [/size]

I have had fun competing in 2 winch challenges now

I picked up an old highmount for $350 and a second hand 6Hp motor for another $350, I had a mate weld some bracing on the back and the winch was done.

Kustom cages fitted my roll cage for under $1000.

cheap as!!!

Yes you only have to look around abit, to get some good gear. Then you can go out and have some more fun.

It appears that everone wants a class for there type of vehicle, there are several if you have a cage.

There is not one event of this type around for the true production class vehicle, and now you have someone that wants to run one.

Don't mention the roll bar in this event, it is only there for YOUR safety. I do not know of a production vehicle with a suitable roll cage system, ones with FRP tops have "B" pillar roll over protection not good enough for an event as I have explained before.

Cheers
David

My PRODUCTION wagon running against barbie,fester,piglet..
I have know chance..
Change some of the rules in the production side and I think you might get more interest to run this event.. Weekend worries would love to be in a winch comp. So they can drive there cars there and drive there cars home..I dont know who you are targeting but I was interested when production winch comp came.. I thought about time and this would be fun to learn the ropes to move up the bigger comps.. But not know.

[rockcrawler31]

So you better go to the rule book and have a look before you make a comment of what is and what isn't allowed, you could find that you are incorrect.

Not allowed:- twin winch motors, 24volt unless standard, but then must run 24 volt winch motor, no PTO, no more then 1 Alternator etc etc.

So these are not full blown comp trucks.

Yes just backing up Crazy Eyes a roll cage is for your safety, you can roll over at any time. I would not conduct an event without proper safety gear.

Cheers
David

I know it's your event dave but you need to listen to the folks who you are targeting to get entries. This business about PTO's being "hardcore" and "too hard to judge what has been done to them internally" is horseshit. A few facts for you champ -

1. They cost the same as a eleccy winch to set up they certainly aren't a big budget winch.

2. I have looked far and wide to find a way to make a Thomas PTO competitive. I have found NO way to upgrade the bronze internals (which is the limiting factor in speed/strength) short of having full titanium or cromo gears cut, and it would stillhave the same ratio/line speed anyway. And if you were doing this to the internals of a PTO, then your just as likely to do the same to the internals of a Electric winch. which would be just as hard to verify what has been done.

3. Fact - PTO winches are a legitimate touring/factory item. They've been around longer than electric winches and way longer than the beefed up to hell electric comp winches.

4. the driveshaft and output on a toyota PTO box is rated and limited to 9HP. THATS IT.

5. Me competing with a PTO winch is a DISADVANTAGE not an advantage. Yes it will pull all day long and is pretty strong, but it's SLOW and i can't DRIVE ASSIST without birdcaging the drum and stuffing the winch.

I would have thought that someone with your experience in the 4wd industry would know all of this.

If you can seriously say that a PTO can be made stronger and faster then contact me I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW, because then i wouldn't be spending 3 or 4 grand to change to an electric winch for competitions.

I agree with you on the roll cage though. At the end of the day, paying under 2k for a cage that meets CCDA isn't out of reach for everyone if you save. And last time i checked, Daves requirements for a cage/protection wasn't as hard as CCDA or CAM's

I could not let this one go by. So here are my answers to your points above.

1:- It appears that you are the one out of your depth not me. Yes you are correct but what say if some one installs a PTO Hydraulic winch, heaps of $$$$$$$$$$


I'm not saying you're out of your depth i'm saying your opinion of these winches is somewhat skewed. I'm not talking about hydraulic and you know it. the pto i'm talking about are shaft driven Thomas', factory toyota etc

2:- Who has said anything about a Thomas, toss that out and make a spirit winch. Then you will know what a fast winch is. But the spirit winch is not allowed anyway any any Xtreme Events.

Awesome, so you're suggesting folks who have already spent the money on a perfectly servicable and reliable winch to go and install some booty fab idea. That's definately the spirit of an affordable competition

3:- Yes they were the prefered touring winch 20 plus years ago but things have well & truely changed since then. Show me a GU, 100,200 series with a PTO fitted. I would hate to think what the odds are regards electric to PTO numbers

modern preferences doesn't change the fact that they are a perfectly good alternative to electric and are a reasonably common fitment on a lot of early series cruisers and virtually any ex military landrover. Not only that the military are still using them to this day as are plenty of fleet vehicles for QR etc

4:- I think you will find that is how much they use not can be used

Straight from the supplier of Thomas "the outlet box is rated to 9HP, as is the toyota factory outlet box"

5:- Yes I am aware of that until you do work to them or go hydraulic. It also appears that you have no idea that with some PTO's you can get drive at the same time and not birds nest drum.

I am very well aware of that. I have done it plenty in mud where you won't get 100% traction at the wheels and you are just assisting. but on any surface where there is a chance of getting full traction, the wheels run at a faster ratio than the drum pulls. therefore unless you want the rope to go slack and birdsnest you have to drop it out of drive. all this takes time, whereas an electric will simply speed up as the load drops. The shaft driven PTO is a pain in the arse in this respect, but never the less for other reasons i stick with it.


I do think I have the knowledge re industry & competition.

There are more vehicles fitted with electric winches then PTO.
so f**king what! The fact remains that there are people out there with bog stock pto's, and cars that otherwise fit your criteria that want to compete in your events.

PTO when built correctly will out pull an electric but can be a pain in techanical SS.

My point exactly. If not built and not had a bucket of cash thrown at them they're pretty ordinary. Does that sound like an electric winch? absolutely. So if you've taken the time and effort to make guidelines for what electric winch can be used how goddamn hard is it to write 10 lines of script to say no hydraulic, but x types of pto is ok.

As for your 3 or 4K on an electric winch, is a very cheap winch for the OPEN Class in XWC. And it is also too much to spend on a winch for production.

Production Winch Cost:-

2nd hand 8274 $1000 if you keep your eyes open.
Service parts $1 - $300
Braced & Serviced $330
6HP motor, if you must $600

fair enough, taken on board. i was quoting for a winch suitable for xwc as you say
Total $2200

Or if you keep your eyes open you may be able to get one with all that for less. I just sold one for $1600 built to Production Class Specs.

My cage spec are based on Qld Transport Light Vehicle Code with a few add ons.

A cage is a must in all events, regardless.

agree
Cheers
David

[rockcrawler31]

In fact now that i think of it, you've spent more time responding to that post than it would take for you to write

"PTO's ok if not hydraulic and must not have aftermarket internal gears blah blah blah"

But that's ok, you keep on exluding plenty of people who wouldn't mind chucking in their old 40 series or series landrover in your event.

[UPPY]

In fact now that i think of it, you've spent more time responding to that post than it would take for you to write

"PTO's ok if not hydraulic and must not have aftermarket internal gears blah blah blah"

But that's ok, you keep on exluding plenty of people who wouldn't mind chucking in their old 40 series or series landrover in your event.

WTF? Chuck a cage in it and race, forget about the fancey bits.

[XTREME MMM]

In fact now that i think of it, you've spent more time responding to that post than it would take for you to write

"PTO's ok if not hydraulic and must not have aftermarket internal gears blah blah blah"

But that's ok, you keep on exluding plenty of people who wouldn't mind chucking in their old 40 series or series landrover in your event.

Now is your chance to compete so roll out your 40 Series or Landrover with the Thomas PTO and come and play. Get me 5 paid entries of all the people I "WAS NOT" letting run in the mail with those teams using standard off the self PTO winches etc:- Thomas PTO winches or whatever, non hydraulic and meeting the rest of the rules and guidelines and with the others that are ready to go we will have an event.

And by the way it would be great to have your cheque first.

The balls in your court now, so you and all the other PTO people out there the time is yours. It will be good to see you at the first round.

There always has been an event for you, so don't say there isn't, that is just an another excuse.

Answer for you as well BIGGSY:-

Look at the rules first, before you make comment.

Lynda would be in the ladies class (that way you cannot be beaten by her), vehicle would not comply to rules anyway the last time I saw it.

Fester will be running a road registered (legal) Patrol Wagon.

Piglet has built up a Production vehicle

So what if past competitors have gone back & built a Production based vehicle, good on them. You might learn something from them when we do finally get to compete.

Or is it really you that does not want to compete with them.

I have seen Teams at XWC who have never competed before and come in the top 5 and have stayed there since, I have also seen people compete for years and have never seen the top 10.

So I ask what are your expectations the first time out?

I would advise you to have fun and protect your codriver, yourself & vehicle the first time out.

For as Ron Moon used to say "For one to finish first, first one must finish"

So how many more rules do I have to change in the Production? This is the most strictest Production Class of any event in Australia running Production.

I really think it is time for everyone just to follow the guidelines and build to them and come and compete.

With all the posts and comments on this forum I would have imagined we would have been running Round 3 at the end of August not waiting until 2010 to have Round1.

Looking forward to your entry

Cheers
David

[frp88]

Production Winch Cost:-

2nd hand 8274 $1000 if you keep your eyes open.
Service parts $1 - $300
Braced & Serviced $330
6HP motor, if you must $600

Total $2200

Or if you keep your eyes open you may be able to get one with all that for less. I just sold one for $1600 built to Production Class Specs.

My cage spec are based on Qld Transport Light Vehicle Code with a few add ons.

A cage is a must in all events, regardless.

Cheers
David [/size]

I have had fun competing in 2 winch challenges now

I picked up an old highmount for $350 and a second hand 6Hp motor for another $350, I had a mate weld some bracing on the back and the winch was done.

Kustom cages fitted my roll cage for under $1000.

cheap as!!!

Is that for a wagon and is it DOT approved with your harness?
and how much did you pay for all the other internal stuff
harness
window nets
fire extinguishers
ground anchor I don't know why we would need this in the production race
how much did you pay?
Now that Dave is give us guys with stock PTO a go I am going to see if I can get the rest together

[XTREME MMM]

[quote="frp88
Now that Dave is give us guys with stock PTO a go I am going to see if I can get the rest together [/quote]


GOOD TO SEE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO COME & PLAY


Cheers
David

[rockcrawler31]

Is that for a wagon and is it DOT approved with your harness?
and how much did you pay for all the other internal stuff
harness
window nets
fire extinguishers
ground anchor I don't know why we would need this in the production race
how much did you pay?
Now that Dave is give us guys with stock PTO a go I am going to see if I can get the rest together

because it's a timed race mate. There's always the chance that the red mist will come down and you'll give it the berries till it tips. Then you'll be glad that the cage is there to stop the cab caving in on your head, the window nets will stop your hand being crushed between the cab and the ground and the fire extinguisher will be handy when the engine oil leaks through the top of the motor onto the manifold when you're on your side and set the engine bay on fire.

And Dave won't have to go to jail and be bubbas baby.

window nets 70-80 bucks
fire extinguisher 30 bucks
cage - 1200- 1700 odd as an average. cheap insurance and then you start playing in gymkhana's too.

Awesome to see a PTO truck in there. come on guys, i had heaps of PM's about this one time to front up the shortie forties

[AngryElmo]

i sold it

[rammer60]

wow, hope i didnt start all this argueing. sorry dave, i will look at the rules myself, may have taken the full ccda requirements as heresay. with all the effort u put in to make these events happen, u dont really deserve all this resistance. will do my best to get my truck within the rules, and look forward to being part of it all.
cheers, rob

[rammer60]

can someone tell me, if im to get full harnesess approved, that then means they have to be run full time, as in whenever being used in the road.? ( as in seatbelts can not be retained for road use )

[rammer60]

oh never mind im out. have moved spring mounts. will be there as a spectatot though

[Dooma_]

can someone tell me, if im to get full harnesess approved, that then means they have to be run full time, as in whenever being used in the road.? ( as in seatbelts can not be retained for road use )

MMM,s Race truck has both Harnesess & Standard belts & is fully approved.
Im sure he will answer this with better detail but the short answer is Yes.

Damo

[mickyd555]

Harnes' , as in 4/5/6 point can not be blue plated for use on QLD roads, only 3 point lap sash inertia belts are allowed. You can however get the mounting points for a 4 point harness blue plated (why i will never understand).

[frp88]

Harnes' , as in 4/5/6 point can not be blue plated for use on QLD roads, only 3 point lap sash inertia belts are allowed. You can however get the mounting points for a 4 point harness blue plated (why i will never understand).

I am ringing the DOT again tomorrow I was on hold to long today. I have been told that I can't put a cage in the normal position in mine due to it being a 2 door and it is a 4 seater. Once I get the info I'll be able to get a cage maker to give a quote and get it approved. If anyone knows someone whos got one done in QLD for a BJ74 please let me know. What is the deal with the ground anchor I thought it was for the outback challenge just a question

[rockcrawler31]

Harnes' , as in 4/5/6 point can not be blue plated for use on QLD roads, only 3 point lap sash inertia belts are allowed. You can however get the mounting points for a 4 point harness blue plated (why i will never understand).

Now that's just daft. One would imagine that if they're made to an australian standard then DOT would encourage fitting a proper harness to any car. I can't remember the last time i saw a lap sash in any rally car or F1 car.

Having said that if it's ok to have the cage with mounts blue plated then surely it would be legal to have the harness in place in the car as long as only the OE lap sash is used on road.

[XTREME MMM]

Having said that if it's ok to have the cage with mounts blue plated then surely it would be legal to have the harness in place in the car as long as only the OE lap sash is used on road.[/quote]


You will find you have to retain the original seat belt, it is possible to have harness plated not just the mount.

I find in mine that I will wear the harness on the road & not the lap/sash. If there is a passenger in the car it is easier for them to wear the lap/sash for a short trip. Longer trips I adjust their harness to suit.

Production Class requires a ground anchor but not a GPS at this stage.

Cheers
David

[XTREME MMM]

I am ringing the DOT again tomorrow I was on hold to long today. I have been told that I can't put a cage in the normal position in mine due to it being a 2 door and it is a 4 seater. Once I get the info I'll be able to get a cage maker to give a quote and get it approved. If anyone knows someone whos got one done in QLD for a BJ74 please let me know. What is the deal with the ground anchor I thought it was for the outback challenge just a question

You will find that will be a pointless excerise to phone DOT, because you will get someone that more then likely has no idea. You have to speak to the right person to get correct answers. That is what I found.

Your best bet is to talk to the person that is going to approve your cage. To find out people in your area you will have to phone DOT and get a list of approved persons.

Being a 2 door and 4 seater and you wanting to retain the use of your rear seats, you will need to go to a 6/8point as used in a wagon:- "A" (windscreen), "B" (behind drivers head maximum 150mm) & "C" Pillar (behind rear seat) hoops and then the final 2 back into the rear cargo area.

There are several people that do this work:- Dale at 2Dextreme, Michael at MR Sheetmetal just to name a couple. Dale can also help with plating of your vehicle.

Cheers
David

[biggsy]

In fact now that i think of it, you've spent more time responding to that post than it would take for you to write

"PTO's ok if not hydraulic and must not have aftermarket internal gears blah blah blah"

But that's ok, you keep on exluding plenty of people who wouldn't mind chucking in their old 40 series or series landrover in your event.

Now is your chance to compete so roll out your 40 Series or Landrover with the Thomas PTO and come and play. Get me 5 paid entries of all the people I "WAS NOT" letting run in the mail with those teams using standard off the self PTO winches etc:- Thomas PTO winches or whatever, non hydraulic and meeting the rest of the rules and guidelines and with the others that are ready to go we will have an event.

And by the way it would be great to have your cheque first.

The balls in your court now, so you and all the other PTO people out there the time is yours. It will be good to see you at the first round.

There always has been an event for you, so don't say there isn't, that is just an another excuse.

Answer for you as well BIGGSY:-

Look at the rules first, before you make comment.

Lynda would be in the ladies class (that way you cannot be beaten by her), vehicle would not comply to rules anyway the last time I saw it.

Fester will be running a road registered (legal) Patrol Wagon.

Piglet has built up a Production vehicle

So what if past competitors have gone back & built a Production based vehicle, good on them. You might learn something from them when we do finally get to compete.

Or is it really you that does not want to compete with them.

I have seen Teams at XWC who have never competed before and come in the top 5 and have stayed there since, I have also seen people compete for years and have never seen the top 10.

So I ask what are your expectations the first time out?

I would advise you to have fun and protect your codriver, yourself & vehicle the first time out.

For as Ron Moon used to say "For one to finish first, first one must finish"

So how many more rules do I have to change in the Production? This is the most strictest Production Class of any event in Australia running Production.

I really think it is time for everyone just to follow the guidelines and build to them and come and compete.

With all the posts and comments on this forum I would have imagined we would have been running Round 3 at the end of August not waiting until 2010 to have Round1.

Looking forward to your entry

Cheers
David

I have read the rule. I have a V8 in my patrol so Im out. And you have NOT read my last few post DAVE . Saying unless Piglet and the like if barbie and fester have production cars..I have been coming to your events many years and been build my truck to your rules infact. And it would be grate to race against the like of these 3 great off road races..But when you hear these names you know of you think of there trucks.. A simple answer saying there racing in production car would have been would have gone along way... And why does Lynda have to be in A Lady's Class,Ive seen her drive and she can drive extremely well and yes she would do better then me. And you know what buddy it wouldn't even bother me where I come.And I know of trucks that have raced in the past year that do not comply with your rules when it comes to the body and suspension components in the truck..
And to clarify your rules on extreme Production.. I have a v8 patrol,5inch lift 33'' maixxis and 8000pound winch and aftermarket front arms. My truck does not comply because its not the original engine but it is all approved and I aftermarket front arm because we all know how awesome the standard one are. (just like what Ive seen race over the past years) is that correct Dave