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DTS Turbo on GU 4.2 Not going like it should!?

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DTS Turbo on GU 4.2 Not going like it should!?

Post by Ibsn »

Hey all. Im after someone who has real knowledge about these turbo setups. Not monkeys who just crank up the fuel and watch the smoke plume out but are happy cause the things getting a go on!

I have a much loved 4.2 GU, with an aftermarket DTS turbo setup on it.

My maverick had an identical setup used to push 10psi by 2000 rpm and had heaps of up and go even on 35's and it was set too 13psi. - had done 390 000k's and never ever missed a beat...

MY GU with an identical DTS setup is very sluggish BOOSTS SLOWLY and will only push 10 psi out around 2500 which as anyone with a 4.2 would know is way too late to use. And max out to 11 ish psi.

I have new and clean fuel filter - and air filter, the cars immaculate and only done 130 000, the turbo was installed in toowoomba, and it itself has only done about 40 000 k's - seriously contemplating getting my injectors refurbished out at brendale b4 my trip to the cape.

Now, I have been looking at upping the fuel, and apparently you can adjust the timing etc etc ect... Cause im not satisfied that im getting nearly the right amount of safe power from the engine as im literally driving everywhere (conservatively) at almost maximum power (feathering the throttle directly in proportion to the maximum amount of boost i can generate that any rpm - which is also the most acceleration you can get outa the motor regardless)

There is a workshop at woolengabba that has quoted me 1400 to do the tune up with 'guarenteed results'

I feel as if this is a major rip off, as it seems like anyone in the know would simply adjust a few screws to do the fuel, and timeing and wack it on the dyno and watch the pyro, I find it had to justify the price - when there are no materials involved (2 guys x a whole days work?????), then he added if thats no good, I would have to do injectors which would be 860 BUCKS!! - and proceded to tell me the the blokes out at brendale dont know what their doing and do dodgey shit when i said they could do it for 550 total, which i thought was poor sportsmanship to outright disown a potentially reputable company!!!!

My father dealt with these guys at woolengabba, and although the end product he was happy with, he later found a major dint in his sump - from their turbo installation, he had to pay 1 grand ontop of the origional quote (or they would rip it off and hand the car back), and a few other dodgy things went on, that he was unreleased with, like 110 bucks for engine oil alone.

I hate dealing with mechanics, I have that many bad stories from friends sending their pride and joy in to blokes who not only do dodgey jobs, but then modify from their original quote at time of payment, and then either threaten to rip off all their work, or keep the car untill they pay. makes me sick to think of having to send my car to someone else. When I have had dodgey things go on, every single time i have handed my car into someone.

Im heading to the cape next month, and I would love to know who I can send my car too (live North side of brisbane) and KNOW that I will get what I pay for, and wont have my car thrashed while im not looking.

Or is there anything I should be doing b4 throwing my money into someone elses pockets! To get this turbo running like my old mavericks - and my fathers maverick, all with identical dts setups????
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Re: DTS Turbo on GU 4.2 Not going like it should!?

Post by bogged »

I have new and clean fuel filter - and air filter, the cars immaculate and only done 130 000, the turbo was installed in toowoomba, and it itself has only done about 40 000 k's - seriously contemplating getting my injectors refurbished out at brendale b4 my trip to the cape.


So has this setup just been bought and put on by yourself and not tuned properly yet on a dyno?? or was on the car when you bought it?

What did the team at Toowoomba say about it when you said it wasnt up to scratch?

The turbo kit has 40,000klms on it and has slowly gone south?
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Post by Ibsn »

No i think its MTQ? at toowoomba Had installed it, have all the origional receipts. The old fella I bought it off, had them install it, as he was planning to tow a caravan around Australia - but plans changed.

Then I bought it, and initially thought that it must not be boosted up very much, turned out he had recently installed a cruise control kit in which the bracket stopped the throttle going past 80%. - And my further installation of a gauge showed 11 psi max. This at first made me more happy with the power. But it is still seriously lacking the performance of the other DTS setups. (Plus city driving im only getting 600 odd k's from main and wagon 30 litre reserve tanks!) - NOT MUCH SOOT AT ALL EITHER!

Called them in toowoomba, and said I had purchased this car with their kit on it, and it was not performing anything like my fathers or my old GQ with the DTS setup on it, and he basically said it could be anything - as he would have to have a look at it.

I live on the northside of brisbane, so handing the car over to toowoomba as not an option at the time. Nor is it practical now to do so.

I just fear the mob at the Gabba is going to adjust the timeing and the fuel, and slap me a 1400 dollar bill, and then say, its not getting as much power as we want, we will have to do the injectors, and charge 800+ ontop of that.

I just feel as if its its just not right at that price - and dont feel comfortable handing my car over to them after reading several bad experience stories with the guys at the gabba. And wondering if there is anything I can try at home. - And or someone who knows EXATLY what they are doing with the 4.2's and never have a reputation of changing their price at crunch time when you walk in to pick the car up!
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Post by macneil »

get it put on a dyno first see if the air fuel mixtures are right, Are the turbos the same? maybe you have a bigger turbo then the last one leading it to boost later.. a dyno tune shouldnt cost 1400 bux..
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Post by hiy6o »

MTQ have a branch in brisbane Acacia ridge i think google it
Nup not telling
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Post by coxy321 »

Sounds to me like pump timing and fuelling issue, or a flow issue. I was happy with my old injectors, but had them tested anyway. Even though i had good economy and power (for an N/A TD42), the injectors were absolutely shyte in the test bench. Turned out there were 1-2 flame seals that had also failed.
Ibsn wrote:There is a workshop at woolengabba that has quoted me 1400 to do the tune up with 'guarenteed results'
For $1400 i would expect:
- Pump timing
- Valve clearances
- Fuelling adjustment
- Pre and post dyno run

What sort of exhaust are you running by the way?
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Post by bogged »

coxy321 wrote: For $1400 i would expect:
- Pump timing
- Valve clearances
- Fuelling adjustment
- Pre and post dyno run
I'd be expecting a bit more than that.
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Post by coxy321 »

bogged wrote:
coxy321 wrote: For $1400 i would expect:
- Pump timing
- Valve clearances
- Fuelling adjustment
- Pre and post dyno run
I'd be expecting a bit more than that.
A cup of coffee while you wait?

I forgot to add "new injectors".
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Post by TOJO2NISSAN »

AMMS diesels in sandgate are pritty good for tuning and that sorta stuff, give them a call

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Post by bogged »

coxy321 wrote:
bogged wrote:
coxy321 wrote: For $1400 i would expect:
- Pump timing
- Valve clearances
- Fuelling adjustment
- Pre and post dyno run
I'd be expecting a bit more than that.
A cup of coffee while you wait?

I forgot to add "new injectors".
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Post by Ibsn »

Running a 3 inch exhaust no muffler right to the back, Fat pipes. nice Work right price!!!!

Brand new air filter, and open airway right to the GU nissan snorkel.

I canceled my appointment for tomorrow at the gabba, within 2 business hours of booking it. Said I really didnt feel comfortable doing business with him, and mentioned the problem my father had with their work, and dodgey qoute - (which was at the time of payment - "Oh I quoted from the wrong book, its ACTUALLY 1000 dollars more") - AND he was told the powerup package that he paid more for would include a 3 inch maundrel exhaust, which was only a 2 and a half inch exhaust (maybe misunderstanding, but the powerup package he offers includes a 3 inch exhaust today regardless),
ANNNYWHO he proceeded to tell me that they dont do that kinda shit, (which i take as im a lier) and hung up on me after saying he would rather not do business with me anyway...

A real person would have said, why, what can I do to help, and offer some sort of guarentee!

Anywho later that day he went thru the files and called my father accusing his son of sloundering his company, when I quite simply stated the facts, he then offered to have a look at the sump, and would fix it... interesting.

(LETS NOT FORGET THAT HE SAID THE BLOKES OUT AT BRENDALE DO DODGEY INJECTOR REPAIRS AND HE HAS TO FIX UP THEIR "Fu#kups" ALL THE TIME) - And I slounder him... to him?

Anyways, interesting day, He just proved to me, that my feeling uncomfortable with a 1400 tune, are justified. With the immediate possibility of that almighty (oh we didnt get that improvement we said you would get cause you need to do your injectors, another 860 bucks later)
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Post by Ibsn »

TOJO2NISSAN wrote:AMMS diesels in sandgate are pritty good for tuning and that sorta stuff, give them a call

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There too is another example of something going on, I drowned my nissan clutch jammed open, mud in the pressure plate, would have done the work myself, except the nissan box is a bit big for me, cleaned the whole car up. sent it in to AMMS, Admittedly the bloke met me after hours to "slide" my car in for a clutch - which was nice.

Safari tough clutch kit, rubber boot and all joins siliconed... Done in a day.

1900 dollars or very close too..... Original quote was 1200, I asked why so much more, "Because we had to clean it up and we sealed it up good for ya so it wont happen again, and it needed a new rubber boot"

I to this day never saw a drop of silicone. Looked on the receipt and they charged me 640 for the safari kit, I walked off the street into Coventry and they quoted me 310 for the kit, and thats OFF THE STREET PRICE...


This is why I cant trust a mechanic to do my turbo, the word performance seems like a open wallet invitation.

Which brings me back to! Who to trust to do a performance check on the turbo :s!

Has anyone else shared similar experiences??

Has anyone had their turbo tuned, and couldnt be happier! But didn't feel as if they got ripped off!?
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Post by bogged »

Ibsn wrote:I walked off the street into Coventry and they quoted me 310 for the kit, and thats OFF THE STREET PRICE...?
You should buy a dozen Safari Tuff Clutches for GU 4.2 Diesels at $300, even 400... You would nearly double your money...

Theres MMM off here selling them as cheap as you will get "OFF THE STREET"...
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/EXEDY-SAFARI-TUF ... 286.c0.m14

Northern brake and clutch which MANY on here have used, inc myself, again at one of the best "OFF THE STREET" prices you will find. THey arent charaties, so you cant expect them to sell free.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/EXEDY-SAFARI-TUF ... .m20.l1116

You sound like the kind of bloke that will never be happy. I dont think I'd recommend anybody I knew to you, no matter what they did you would complain.
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Post by brad-chevlux »

Ibsn wrote:
TOJO2NISSAN wrote:AMMS diesels in sandgate are pritty good for tuning and that sorta stuff, give them a call

92 Connaught St
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There too is another example of something going on, I drowned my nissan clutch jammed open, mud in the pressure plate, would have done the work myself, except the nissan box is a bit big for me, cleaned the whole car up. sent it in to AMMS, Admittedly the bloke met me after hours to "slide" my car in for a clutch - which was nice.

Safari tough clutch kit, rubber boot and all joins siliconed... Done in a day.

1900 dollars or very close too..... Original quote was 1200, I asked why so much more, "Because we had to clean it up and we sealed it up good for ya so it wont happen again, and it needed a new rubber boot"

I to this day never saw a drop of silicone. Looked on the receipt and they charged me 640 for the safari kit, I walked off the street into Coventry and they quoted me 310 for the kit, and thats OFF THE STREET PRICE...


This is why I cant trust a mechanic to do my turbo, the word performance seems like a open wallet invitation.

Which brings me back to! Who to trust to do a performance check on the turbo :s!

Has anyone else shared similar experiences??

Has anyone had their turbo tuned, and couldnt be happier! But didn't feel as if they got ripped off!?

Have been watching this thread from the start. untill this post was made.
you can't buy that clutch for $310, thats cheaper then wholesale price.
Its starting to look like this whole thing is just an excuse to whinge and bitch and moan.

You have two options here.
1) put up with it.
2) spend money and have it fixed. Open the yellow pages and do the ring around. got to the cheapest place as thats obviously what your after.
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Post by Ibsn »

Well once again, im talking facts. I know of mechanics forgetting to do up the main crossmember on a mates corolla under his sump, just after they did the sump gasket, and said to my face after i defended him (in an extreemly polite way), that they didnt take the cross member off. 8 bolts just undid themselves just after the service...

I also know my mate got a automatic gearbox conversion, and they price jumped nearly 2 grand from the original quote - already expensive quote, and the transmission hoses were run right past the exhaust manifold, rubbing on it, and the cooler zip tied in behind the grill. - need I not mention who did the work, but they call them selves a performace custom shop.

I have plenty more stories, and I know of mechanics who do gas conversions out at brendale, who do excellent jobs, and I have recommended them to about 4 people, who have subsequently been extremely pleased, and with the followup appointments,

I know this mob out at brendale who do injectors around since 1984 or something have done work for my father and mates and have been spot on both in price, communication and service.

I know im not the only one that fears sending the car they spend fortunes on, to a mechanic, who they dont know, I have knowledge and experience of the inside of the industry, and hear on a day to day basis mistreatment of customers vehicles, to which the blokes laugh at.

Everyone told me i got ripped off at 1900 dollars.
regardless of my 330 dollar quote - which im pretty confident in, otherwise I wouldn't have felt ripped off would I.

And I actually have Considered talking to AMMS. - However I paid 1900 dollars for a clutch job that everyone said I should pay 1200 installed.

I DO ALSO KNOW THERE ARE MECHANICS OUT THERE WHO TAKE PRIDE IN THEIR BUSINESS. AND PRIDE IN BOTH CUSTOMER SATISFACTION AND WORK. AND THEY STAND BY THEIR QUOTE. - just yet to find a good diesel one! (FAT PIPES I know of about 5 other jobs going through them, excellent work, and usually cheaper then their quotes.) 3 jobs done myself ontop of that, why is there no mechanics like this?

Im obvioulsy asking here,
1. What can I do at home b4 I send it to a mechanic
2. Has anyone got some good tuning experiences that would like to share @ what price.

- And yes, thanks, AMMS is still on the cards, as I found out later I indirectly know a guy who works there, and I have attended their charity dyno days etc.

- I was happy with the clutch, but, felt a little robbed when surprise surprise, the quote meant nothing when I handed the keys over. Why is this all too common.

NVM
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Post by brad-chevlux »

i'm not going to argue or defend or blame anyone here.

but you really need to just get over this. like i said you have two options. pick up the phone.

you've spent more effort in your rambling then you need to, and you've got nothing out of it. sit back, think about the way you are going about this and think about the results you are currently getting.

ponder it for a while before you post again.
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Post by nastytroll »

To adjust pump timing properly requires more then just a few screws.

The 2 dyno tuners I know of at the gabba do good work.

If you can't trust some one else maybe do it yourself? Seriously do your reaserch, buy the tools and fix/adjust it yourself. Why not get your mates to help you move a few screws and get it screaming?

$640 is not a bad price for a safari tuff clutch. $310 will be stock clutch and not last under load.
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Post by Tomo_89 »

have you cleaned the thimble filter in the fuel pump. should be done about every 10 000k's would also get the injectors tested as they are only good for about 100 000. be careful "screwing the pump a couple of turns" should only take about half a turn for that much boost. also need to adjust the boost compensator on the pump to give it more fuel at low revs to get it boosting quicker and if you havent got a 3 inch exhaust then you are wasting your time with all of it. it is the bgest improvement you can make.
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Post by chunks »

How do you adjust the boost compensator?
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Post by bogged »

Take a drive to Melbourne, go see Andy at Dieseltec. He takes pride in his work, but then, you'd only find something wrong with what he does. This is funny now.


Edit: Take it to Giantracing off this forum. He has a diesel service center.
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Post by coxy321 »

bogged wrote:Edit: Take it to Giantracing off this forum. He has a diesel service center.
:lol:

Post the results too, eh?
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Post by giantracing »

bogged wrote:Take a drive to Melbourne, go see Andy at Dieseltec. He takes pride in his work, but then, you'd only find something wrong with what he does. This is funny now.


Edit: Take it to Giantracing off this forum. He has a diesel service center.
gee thanks bogged, i was going to say i would have a look at it for him, but not after all this ..............
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Post by bogged »

giantracing wrote:
bogged wrote:Take a drive to Melbourne, go see Andy at Dieseltec. He takes pride in his work, but then, you'd only find something wrong with what he does. This is funny now.


Edit: Take it to Giantracing off this forum. He has a diesel service center.
gee thanks bogged, i was going to say i would have a look at it for him, but not after all this ..............
Na probably came out wrong.

I was sayin you'd give him a no shit answer on what the fawk is going on... but don't blame you one bit.
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Post by giantracing »

bogged wrote:
giantracing wrote:
bogged wrote:Take a drive to Melbourne, go see Andy at Dieseltec. He takes pride in his work, but then, you'd only find something wrong with what he does. This is funny now.


Edit: Take it to Giantracing off this forum. He has a diesel service center.
gee thanks bogged, i was going to say i would have a look at it for him, but not after all this ..............
Na probably came out wrong.

I was sayin you'd give him a no shit answer on what the fawk is going on... but don't blame you one bit.
i would charge him about 550 to tune it and do a report..... but lets say i find the injectors are shit then that is another 650 fitted, very hard to do like the way he is doing it............... diesel what can i say......
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Post by Nev »

In a GU now hey Ian? I got mine tuned at AMMS and was very happy with their work. Stuck to their quote and it was just on $600 for pump adjust, fuel adjust, boost up to 12.5psi and installing a boost adjuster, all dyno tuned with very good results. Would also recommend Mike Topfer at On and Offroad mechanical at brendale.

Any mechanic you see is bound to have someone that isn't happy. In reality sometimes shit happens and they make a mistake so I'd just find someone that the majority of people are happy with. And I wouldn't hang around while they do it cause to tune it properly I dare say they'll probably have to rev its ringer a bit.
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Post by Ibsn »

Thanks to those who answered the 2 questions - of which I had taken the time to explain why I was asking the questions,

I didnt really wanna know anyone's opinion with regard to how much time I have spent tonight justifying my concerns, for the quest to find a trust worthy place to take my car....

I know cars pretty well, and do everything myself, whereever possible, and by the book.
I just dont know enough about the ins and outs of turbo "performance" on diesel motors. - Nor do I have a dyno (I understand dyno time is money also)

Me, going on about the bad experiences, is me voiceing my concerns about where to take my pride and joy, in the hunt to find someone how has been renound for providing good service and good customer satisfaction - at the right price! - IE. FAT PIPES! (Fourbys is also bloody excellent for that matter too - wouldn't get my tires, wheel alignment, or locker done anywhere else)

some interpret my concerns as bitching. My concerns are based on other peoples bad experience's - that are all too common, including my own. I wouldn't be asking questions, if I didn't have too!!!!!

(Another story to back things up (for you blokes who think im making it all up and concerned for no reason)- mate takes v8 hilux to springwood "performace shop"
guy tells him the motor is fucked, he can rebuild it for him at x cost. I jump in the engine bay in the dark that arvo, and find the hall effect sensor is broken and swinging around, 20 bucks from jcar, and the car was spinning wheels in 3rd again!) performance tune on the 308 Had cost upward of the 500 dollar mark, the motor was still barely producing 90 horsepower when it left this guys performance shop - coughing and spluttering.)

Im endeavoring to find a mechanic that noone has anything but good experiences with. If you know one, or if you are one, I would be more then pleased to do business with you, and if I walk away paying what I was quoted with no BS fed to my face, and the cars running to the best of your abilites, I would do nothing but sell your business to everyone I know.

- Im in a trade, business returns when people walk away happy. - I guarantee my work, because I know what im doing.... Whats so hard about expecting the same from a mechanic? If everyone walked away from any one of them satisfied, wouldn't there be pages of recommendations already? - there are good tradesman and bad ones - in EVERY trade, the good ones get recommendations from customers. - northside diesel mechanic anyone?

For the record "giantracing" At that price, I would happily walk into your shop hand over the car, and see what you can do. Your on forums, people know you, and you know that your reputation is your business. Alot of blokes don't come close to this attitude alone even if they know what they are doing...

This quote of 1400 for a tune at the gabba and the inevitable 860 for injectors ontop, doesn't add up too me. (Might be good work - but sounds a little greedy @ that price)

Looks like I might rip out the injectors get them done, and then see how we go.

Would love to contact MTQ in Brisbane soon also! - I also found them last night on google, not realising they were in a few locations!! -anyone had good experiences with them!?? lol
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Post by Ibsn »

Nev wrote:In a GU now hey Ian? I got mine tuned at AMMS and was very happy with their work. Stuck to their quote and it was just on $600 for pump adjust, fuel adjust, boost up to 12.5psi and installing a boost adjuster, all dyno tuned with very good results.
yeah mate, the Gq is gone, Miss it alot but, never ever missed a beat!! lol Started a bit of a shit fight here haha, but seriously expect it on forums,

just wanted to add a little more then a sentence like "how do I make my car go faster?" Seeing if anyone has some healthy feedback. And hope to receive recommendations and good satisfaction from previous experiences!

Your deal with AMMS sounds good! And its good to see you walked away happy! Like I say I know indirectly one of their blokes that work on the floor now so, makes me a little happier at the thought of doing business with them!

All this cause im heading for the cape next month so, want the thing running well like my old maverick was doing!
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well ring me then ........ i will look at it or you

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Post by adriand82 »

Quite the lengthy spiels here Ian. The GU definately felt like it needed more fuel when I was in it. I just had the top mount and Garrett put on mine, and it felt exactly like yours until fuel was changed on the pump screw.
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Post by cspgq »

i would NOT use AMMS at sandgate. they did a very very poor job on my gq. less than happy. i wont go into to much detail as they dont like it when you have bad things to say about them. even if it is true.
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