Anyone supercharged a Suzuki 1600 G16B Before?

Post by **Megaman** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 9:23 pm

Guys,

Do you know of anyone running a Supercharger on one of these motors?
I want to supercharge my Sierra :twisted:

Megaman

Post by **12uke** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 9:34 pm

I have not heard of that one before but let me know if u do it as that would be a nice spin on the vitara????????????????????????

Post by **OVERKILL ENG** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 5:25 am

Mega Calmini in the states make blower kits for that engine and the 1.3 as well pretty pricey though.They claim 40% more power I think. :shock:

Post by **grimbo** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 7:38 am

one of guys at Moab a couple of years ago was running a supercharger on his Samurai. Nice powerband pretty much instant power when he needed it and very $$$ I think he was using a camden that was sourced through Calmini

Post by **RoldIT** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 7:51 am

I know of a mob in Melb that specializes in custom supercharging on small engines. They honed their trade on Mini 1.3's and also do custom HPC headers and exhausts when required ...

I can't remember their name but I can find out if anyone is interested.

Cheers.

Post by **Megaman** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 7:54 am

Thanks Guys,

Sourced the intercooler will mount it this weekend the Supercharger is on its way Can't wait to see what it does.

Megaman

Post by **Liam** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 8:04 am

Calmini don't make a supercharger, they source a kit from a mob called Camden, Its a roots type Supercharger. Unfortunatly it wont clear the brake booster/master cylinder on RHD cars so you'll need to mod that ( escort mexico style looks workable) They also only come with manifold for an 8 valve 1600. It could be adapted to the 16 valve single point, but the multipoint would be a fair bit of work.
Theres a few guys around who used the toyota centrifugal style blower.

Post by **Megaman** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 8:47 am

I was going to use a small eaton (roots type) so I can get boost from Idle the Toyota only boosts as revs develop.

Megaman

Post by **Damo** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 10:48 am

Where r u getting your s/charger from? what is it?

What kinda $$$?

I didnt think u could use a intercooler with a eaton roots s/charger (this is the same kinda thing as the commodore one isnt it?)

Post by **Liam** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 12:55 pm

Rootes style bolts to the engine ( or to a very short manifold) turns at a similar speed to engine and has two large screw type vanes, allways on. Centrifugal type is remote mounted and plumbed to the engine, uses an impeller that looks not disimilar to a turbo. This is what the toyota ones are. Centrifugal typically boosts at higher revs, spins faster and is a lot less noisy. Castlemaine rod shop have kit for the toyota ones that lets you switch them off. Centifugal will cost a whole lot less.

Post by **Megaman** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 1:18 pm

You can use an intercooler if the S/C is installed correctly a small eaton can be side mounted and not directly on top of the manifold as Liam has stated (typically they are mounted that way) they input the air from the rear and output from the middle so they can be plumbed anyway you like.
The Mercedes 4 cyl Kompressors utilise these eaton blowers in that way.

There is also an intercooler kit that mounts between the supercharger and the inlet manifold of a V6 commodore it is a water to air unit. So really anything with boost can be intercooled.

Megaman :wink:

Post by **Dozoor** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 3:21 pm

My nav from TT has has used one on his 1.3,Makes a big difference ,
It really requires good electronic injection with an after maket controller
that can handle a few ignition curves.

Post by **GODZUKI** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 4:43 pm

2 supercharged zook motors are getting around up here. Both are 1300's though. Lance at Suzisport Albion did a 4AGZE s/c which was crazy. He decompressed the head, but it 'fueled' up really bad on rough terrain. Good for on road but bad for offraod.

The other bloke swears by his motor is is a stock g13a running throttle body single point injection. He is running a tiny S/C off a 660 odd cc subaru motor. He works at AllJap importers. I have seen this thing and it flies.

Go for IT....

Post by **Damo** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 12:13 am

I spoke to a mechanic today that has done a few rebuilds on G16Bs

He said that quite often the vehicle does not reach the 100,00km mark (apparantly that is when the factory recommends changing the timing belt) by the time the belt is starting to deteriorate from age.

Anyone else heard anything about this sort of thing happening?

Post by **12uke** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 8:41 am

Thanks for that one damo I will change mine at about 80 thos with the engine rebuilt oct last year it should take a while too reach that. And it had xmas as welll it got new fuel fillter and new plug leads

Post by **nicbeer** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 2:52 pm

Do you have a contact for the guy with the G13A? I am thinking of doing the TBI and super later this year after suspension.

cheers

Nic

GODZUKI wrote:2 supercharged zook motors are getting around up here. Both are 1300's though. Lance at Suzisport Albion did a 4AGZE s/c which was crazy. He decompressed the head, but it 'fueled' up really bad on rough terrain. Good for on road but bad for offraod.

The other bloke swears by his motor is is a stock g13a running throttle body single point injection. He is running a tiny S/C off a 660 odd cc subaru motor. He works at AllJap importers. I have seen this thing and it flies.

Go for IT....

Post by **Megaman** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 3:34 pm

Dude's,

I got my S/C today it looks like the one on the right

..........got to go got to make hoursepower :onfire:

PS any one got an efi manifold for a G16B they don't want or want to sell?

Post by **Damo** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 3:46 pm

PHAT

Are you dropping the compression of the engine?

What engine management are u using?

How much did the SC set u back???

Post by **Megaman** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 3:55 pm

Damo

Standard Comp, NEW Timing belt :wink:

I am using EMS's new computer

S/C was very cheap called in a favour.

I will post some picks as I go along.

I got this Zook '89 model with G16B in it for $1500 busted transfer,
Then replaced the transfer did a Spring over running 32 x 11.5 x 15
Put carpet and a set of stratos seats in it. Now S/C injection and intercooler and transfer gears hopefully this weekend. then lockers the long weeked.................ah well thats the plan anyway.

Post by **Damo** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 4:02 pm

I wanna see pics of it bagging up those 11Rs :finger:

all u need on top of that is lockers & you're good to go

Post by **12uke** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 4:48 pm

We need pics
We need pics
We need pics
We need pics
We need pics

Post by **Damo** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 10:41 pm

Give the guy a break, he only just got the damn s/c!!!!

Post by **12uke** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 11:16 pm

so hopefully he will take some pis of it

Post by **bazuky** » Wed Jan 15, 2003 11:44 pm

the toyoya sc is in fact a roots type blower and it does make power from idle to revlimit. lance at suzisport did fit one but it revved out to quickly due to low gears and small tyres. be carefull as i poped 3 head gaskets before i got mine sorted still not dynoed but left stocker for dead whilst towing a heavy trailer up gateway bridge still in top gear in auto just reached down and turned it on mad max style it is a toyota 4agze type and i luv it

Post by **Damo** » Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:00 am

bazuky wrote:the toyoya sc is in fact a roots type blower and it does make power from idle to revlimit. lance at suzisport did fit one but it revved out to quickly due to low gears and small tyres. be carefull as i poped 3 head gaskets before i got mine sorted still not dynoed but left stocker for dead whilst towing a heavy trailer up gateway bridge still in top gear in auto just reached down and turned it on mad max style it is a toyota 4agze type and i luv it

did you drop the compression?

are you running an intercooler?

Post by **bazuky** » Thu Jan 16, 2003 10:04 pm

the reason i poped 3 head gaskets was due to having shaved head face 12mm and running the sc into the inter cooler before the throtle body.even with 2 blow off valves i could not bleed enough boost off at idle(23lbs at 800rpm)heaps of power once you got over the huuuuuuuuuuuge flat spot .replaced head with stocker then went air cleaner into impco 200 lpg mixer then into honda throtle body then into super charger then inter cooler then inlet manifold then hang the *%$# on cause it just hammerd straigt away no dyno or tunningbut 2weeks later i had broken all 4 axels 1 rear diff crown wheel and pinion and popedthe converter seal but boy did it have some power enough to smoke up all (double cig diff locks ) 4 31/10.5 BFG muds into 2nd gear high range and not flat out ether but that was 4 years ago now it has hilux diffs and a better auto and still has to go and be dynoed

Post by **antt** » Thu Jan 16, 2003 10:17 pm

we need pics of this weapon bazuky :shock:

Post by **Damo** » Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:17 am

isnt it a tad dangerous to have a compressed fuel/air mixture flowing through the intercooler? I am sure I heard about some guy blowing up his intercooler like this. I'd have thought it would be better to have the induction sequence like air cleaner -> supercharger -> intercooler -> LPG mixer -> throttle body. Any particular reason you set it up like you did?

I also cant understand why u originally had a huge flat spot with 23 PSI @ 800RPM??? Or why you didn't melt a piston from detonation. Am i missing something here?? Did u always run it on LPG??

I'm confusered :finger:

Post by **bj on roids** » Fri Jan 17, 2003 9:41 am

hey bazuky, i have a pretty stock landcruiser, soft top with roll cage, and i would like to go out for a wheel some day, it sounds like you may be local to the brisbane (south east queensland area)

i am keen to see this machine and your ability, as a driver of this extreme machine!

cheers
bj

my machine also has sliders, mud terrains, and bucket seats, grab handles, dual batteries, spotlights, a winch and all sorts of cool gear which helps it off road!

PM me or drop me a email, on or offline, about when and where you want to wheel it!!
PLEASE say that you take it offroad, i mean, you have to justify the welded diffs at least right?!!

Post by **Damo** » Fri Jan 17, 2003 9:53 am

bj on roids wrote:hey bazuky, i have a pretty stock landcruiser, soft top with roll cage, and i would like to go out for a wheel some day, it sounds like you may be local to the brisbane (south east queensland area)

i am keen to see this machine and your ability, as a driver of this extreme machine!

cheers
bj

my machine also has sliders, mud terrains, and bucket seats, grab handles, dual batteries, spotlights, a winch and all sorts of cool gear which helps it off road!

PM me or drop me a email, on or offline, about when and where you want to wheel it!!
PLEASE say that you take it offroad, i mean, you have to justify the welded diffs at least right?!!

I thought u decided to go hardcore and traded that POS on a 97 IFS 'Lux??? :finger:

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