Bundera Floaty on the Road

Post by **MR 1JZ** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:39 pm

Finally got my hands on my bundy this week and I have finally had a chance to drive it on the road but when I accelerate it seems to pull slightly in one direction...I thought it might have been low airpressure in the tyres so I have inflated them all to an even 38psi (the front left was down to 27 as was the rear right)

I am thinking it might also need a wheel alignment as well...to me it feels like it could be the shocks but they dont seem to bounce up and down like rooted shocks normally would nor do they hit the bumpstops...

someone has mentioned to me the steering dampner could be finished?

What does the steering dampner acutally do?

Is it the thing that looks like a shock that sits horizontal at the front of the car?

excuse the noob questions...first off road vehicle and first car that hasnt had rack and pinion!

Post by **oldmate** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:59 pm

Sounds like suspension bushings to me. the pulling could be worn rear bushes, changing the rear axle tracking under acceleration. This could also be your 'floating' problem too.
An alignment won't hurt. infact when you get one, get a full print out of caster camber and kpi and make sure they are in spec, as these could contribute to poor handling - note though caster, camber and kpi are not adjustable. If they are way out then the front axle is likely bent.

The steering damper is the one you mentioned. Don't bother replacing it yet. They are really only there to improve the road feel when running wide tyres anyway. Replace it once everything else is checked because they generally mask problems rather then fixing them.

and for good measure check wheel bearings too.

If it's all good then it might just be that you're too used to rack & pinion which is lightyears ahead of solid axles and recirculating ball steering!

Post by **MR 1JZ** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 4:10 pm

thanks oldmate...ill get it checked out this week

Post by **Toyo Truck** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:53 am

Hey mate,
you shoulda told me you was havin teh problems...PM's bro.

What old mate said is EXACTLY on the money...and exactly what I was
gonna tell ya. Get new bushes anyways as the ride will be heaps nicer
and safer...just get rubber bushes tho, the poly's don't flex as well IMHO
don't last as long either, but are cheaper...and flex good = win.

steering damper...yes it is that horizontal piss-weak shockie on the diff.
you should see mine after 8 years of hardcore wheeling..they cop it hard!
it is dented so bad I cannot get it off...but it does not really cause any
noticable issues for me...the crazy loose ass springs and shiz does tho!

but yeah, do exactly what old mate suggests...most aligners can do
solid axle 4WDs but a few I have gone to have NO IDEA...so ask for the
printout and post up what you got...we'll let you know if its OK.

And lastly...get it fixed and drive it over here so we can WHEEL IT!!
You missed out on a CRAZY weekend at Stocktons beach this weekend.
(check the trips page later for pics)

Cheers,
Bart

Post by **MR 1JZ** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:58 am

yeah im going to take it to pedders and get them to do one of their $25 checks on it...get the report and then order and fit some bushes myself...

cant be that hard surely...bushes can be purchased from www.4WD1.com for good money it seems...unless you can suggest somewhere better (read: cheaper) bartos?

Post by **oldmate** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:49 am

You'll need a 12 tonne press and some suitably sized sockets or similar to press the bushes out. Other than that it's rather easy to do.

Most would agree genuine bushes are the best for flex. however they are expensive and need to be pressed in.

I've used high flex type poly bushes that came with some superior engineering arms i bought. they work quite well.

The ones you want to avoid are the ebay type cheap ones that look like leaf spring bushes. They are fine if you never leave the road, but they limit flex quite a bit. they also squeak alot.

Post by **Toyo Truck** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:57 am

hey oldmate,

Those new flex poly bushes, I think I saw an article on them and I thought
maybe terrain tamer did them as separate bush kits?

Either way matty, its gonna be a small spend, with bushes you sorta get
what you pay for, but definately shop around..some 4WD places think
4x4 = $x$ which shits me..but you just gotta ask around mate and persist.

I'm about to do my bushes so we'll try and find a cheap place together to
get em. let me know if you find one in the meantime

Cheers,
Bart

Post by **MR 1JZ** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:04 am

thanks for the info fellas...

and yes bart if we find somewhere cheap we can do a group purchase if you want...

oldmate im looking at replacing these bushes:

Panhard Rod Kit (Front)
Radius Arm to Diff (Front)
Radius Arm to Chassis (Front)
Panhard Rod Kit (Rear)
Radius are to Diff (Rear)
Radius Arm to Chassis (Rear)

Is there anything else I should put on the list...or possibly remove from that list?

Post by **MR 1JZ** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:58 pm

Seems I can get a superpro bushes kit for the bundy from Car Tourque for $243 + GST which includes all of the bushes listed above!

4WD1 want $516 for the same kit...

ive had good experience with superpro in road cars...can anyone comment for fourbies?

Post by **Toyo Truck** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:25 pm

Sweet dude.

at half the price of the others, I'd give em a crack
superpro are just as good as anyone else IMHO
and at that price...why not.

Can you find out how much for a full set of spring bushes for a hilux
man? or PM me the number where you got that quote from?

Cheers,
Bart

Post by **mental1** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:12 pm

if its a leaf sprung model check that the springs are located in the diffs corectly

Post by **unr33l** » Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:47 pm

i was chasing new rubber bushes 4 my 85 bundy not long ago as well. hope your sitting down cause i couldn't find any other than original toyota and and like all toyota parts, bullshit expensive! ova a grand

for the set and had to wait for some to be shipped from japan with a 6 week wait. almost everyone i spoke to said superpro poly's are the go, for the money. if u do any better let me know i decided mine wern't THAT bad after all.

Post by **oldmate** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:57 pm

i was quoted 250 bucks for the 6 radius arm genuine bushes. that's about 40 bucks a bush. That's half the price some people are asking. It pays to ring around on prices for anything automotive - there are some real ripoff merchants about.

AFter a little research the high-flex bushes i have that came with my superior arms are super pro bushes (part no. spf0442 printed on it) So they get the thumbs up from me.

to MR 1JZ - I'm not 100 percent sure but I thought bundys were a 5 link rear, meaning no radius arms but 4 control arms. Panhard says the same. The difference is an extra 2 bushes and probably different sized so it is worth clearing up.
The only other bushes you may want to replace are the sway bar bushes if you have sway bars, but if you're not falling out the window on corners they are probably OK.

Post by **unr33l** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:01 pm

where did you get 6 radius arm bushes? a bundera (swb coil springs) has 16 bushes in radius arms. you have the 2 bigger ones on the arm to diff end and 2 smaller ons on arm to chassis end, x 2 for front and the same for the rear. from kingswood toyota was quoted $104 each for the larger diff to arm bushes and $34 each for smaller chassis to arm bushes. i also got quoted for panhard rod bushes front and rear, which for the 4 bushes i got 3 different prices, $45, $50, $21 ? i also tried chasing castor correction bushes for the front with no luck. didn't bother looking for the swaybar bushes as only has one on front that i'll probley take off.
keep us posted on the superflex bushes, cause any other bushes apart from genuine that i found we not available for bundys.

Post by **unr33l** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:05 pm

just realized why 3 different prices for panhard rod bushes. there are 3 seperate bushes on each rod. 2 on the lower panhard to diff end and 1 on top panhard to chassis end.

Post by **misko83** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:54 am

check your bushes check you panhard bushes

Post by **MR 1JZ** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:55 pm

Just an update to this (I didnt realise there were any replies)

I got the bushes kit

It was 16 bushes in total (2 in each radius arm and 1 at the end of each arm and 2 for each panhard rod)

The quality is very good, I did however break a 25 ton press getting the old ones out so I had to switch to a porta power 55 ton press which did it with ease.

Now the car drives perfectly and doesnt track down the road so I have ordered a new dobinsons 50mm kit to go into it next week and going to sort out a bodylift as well so my 35's will fit easy enough

Thanks for everyones help!

Post by **unr33l** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:06 pm

which bushes did u get? not original rubber ones i'm guessing.

if your looking for more height dobinsons also have 60mm front, 65mm rear springs as well. they were the tallest i could without using 80 series coils.

Post by **MR 1JZ** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:39 am

unr33l wrote:which bushes did u get? not original rubber ones i'm guessing.

if your looking for more height dobinsons also have 60mm front, 65mm rear springs as well. they were the tallest i could without using 80 series coils.

nah I scored a superpro kit for decent money

yeah im thinking I might actually go for the 65mm lift and bite the bullet and do the caster offset bushes in the front...

Post by **unr33l** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:44 pm

i have the 65mm springs with tough dog shocks. so far so good but ride is a bit stiff. good luck with castor bushes i couldn't find any, but if u do let me know supplier.

Post by **pozman** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:42 am

i don't think anyone makes them for the bundy, but you can use 80 series ones, just have to push them inside the outer ring of the bundy's bush, as they're a tiny bit smaller in diameter, I've had them in mine for nearly a year now no dramas

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