shocks lengths

[exV8er]

So you mean to say you don't have any proof of said foam cell melting / breaks down. What a surprise....

So people please don't be put off buying foam cell shocks because some ill informed guys prefer to try to make there products look better by lying about other brands / types.

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So you mean to say you don't have any proof of said foam cell melting / breaks down. What a surprise....

So people please don't be put off buying foam cell shocks because some ill informed guys prefer to try to make there products look better by lying about other brands / types.

I never saw any proof you sell 1200 a year with no issues either, didnt even see a % warranty return rate quoted, [or if you new what the % return rate was] but, of course they should consider them as their first option, when someone who sells them says they are the best thing since sliced bread.....

I dont see to many top end vehicles running them, for load, or offroad, when handling is a requirement. [perhaps you can insert "proof" these are the way shock technology is heading ? ] Only people who peddle them pumping them up, it seems. If your selling afew, and they suit your customer base, thats great, they have their place in the market, and people should be able to make an informed decision on that. Those peoples informed decisions come from what people with experience tell them, be it the seller, users, or forumites, unbiased opinion will help them make the right decision, blind faith will line your pocket, but it isnt always the best for the customer.

Oh, and "Their" as in theirs, or , its over "there"

[SuperiorEngineering]

Done heaps of searches for this cannot find anything. Wounding what length shock to run front & rear? Using 4" flexy coils super flex arm & long arm kit with no body lift. I would love to be able to use these arm to there full poetical so if anyone is using this same set up i would like to hear what you have done thanks.

Holy shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just read the 3 pages of this post and how much of a bitch section have you all got into
If you need to know what size shocks you need for flex and performance with Superior long arms and Super flex arms give me a call during business hours, we designed and manufactured them so we know !
Mick.
My 2 bobs worth, if you havent driven a lamborgini you would not know the difference from a commodore , in other words so the average guy who wants a good ride in their 4wd a gas shock, foam cell , tough dog, boss shock , EFS , ect is gunna do fine.
Really at the end of the day the mass amount of shock sales in the world is these types of shocks not remote and triple bypass shocks- they should stay in comp scenes not on the street for the "average " 4wd, really who even wants to cut and mod mounts , ( a small amount of the 4wders )
I by no means am saying the remote and triple bypass are not the best by a long shot if SET UP AND VALVED PROPERLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, i use them on the rear of my comp truck but when not valved to suit the appliction they are far from superior.
Anyway only my opinion.
Michael Hayes
Superior Engineering.

[exV8er]

Holy shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just read the 3 pages of this post and how much of a bitch section have you all got into
If you need to know what size shocks you need for flex and performance with Superior long arms and Super flex arms give me a call during business hours, we designed and manufactured them so we know !
Mick.
My 2 bobs worth, if you havent driven a lamborgini you would not know the difference from a commodore , in other words so the average guy who wants a good ride in their 4wd a gas shock, foam cell , tough dog, boss shock , EFS , ect is gunna do fine.
Really at the end of the day the mass amount of shock sales in the world is these types of shocks not remote and triple bypass shocks- they should stay in comp scenes not on the street for the "average " 4wd, really who even wants to cut and mod mounts , ( a small amount of the 4wders )
I by no means am saying the remote and triple bypass are not the best by a long shot if SET UP AND VALVED PROPERLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, i use them on the rear of my comp truck but when not valved to suit the appliction they are far from superior.
Anyway only my opinion.
Michael Hayes
Superior Engineering.

I agree.

I'm over this so Bye..

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Holy shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My 2 bobs worth, if you havent driven a lamborgini you would not know the difference from a commodore , in other words so the average guy who wants a good ride in their 4wd a gas shock, foam cell , tough dog, boss shock , EFS , ect is gunna do fine.

So mediocraty is what you should aim for, your saying, dont look at broadening an horizon, or gaining experience, just go with the flow, follow the sheep tracks, and take the path of least resistance...

Go the 80-20 rule on it, and just accept it?

And theres a "H" in

Really at the end of the day the mass amount of shock sales in the world is these types of shocks not remote and triple bypass shocks- they should stay in comp scenes not on the street for the "average " 4wd, really who even wants to cut and mod mounts , ( a small amount of the 4wders )
Michael Hayes
Superior Engineering.

Thats why we werent just talking triple bypass, that seems to be more of a persons illusion of what was going on, when bolt ons are not only available, but work, and arent as dear from the same manufacturer, and a large percentage of these bolt ons are high pressure gas/oil [Bilstein Germany make 40,000 per day].

Mass shock sales as you say, are mainly a set type of shock, mainly a set type of vehicle construction they go onto, mainly round coil springs that fit in roughly the same place, on cars mainly bought in the same fashion, most of which are ?????

Bought by people who form an opinion on the requirement based on several factors, and if talking to people who sell the equipment is one of those, are they best served by those who want to take the path of least resistance, and not test drive a lambo, and stick to a commodore, and simply want a sale of product regardless, or someone who continually tests, tries, asesses performance, and market options, and fits whats best for purpose, or recommends who could fit whats best for purpose ?

The benefit that can come from that in a business sense you ask?

Well, if you work on a profit margin % of cost, would you rather have to order in, stock, store, price, and send out 10 x $100 items, or 1 x $1000 to pay the wages each week ?

Its why Myer and David Jones, and Big W and Target can exist in the same shopping complex, or plastic sunglasses with an O on them cost $250, or anything with a marketed logo seems to cost more, but people still buy them, and why, generally, the more expensive items have better support, and customer service orientation, and save the customer having to feel like they should explain why they didnt get what they really wanted, because they got what they could afford RIGHT NOW! [not by planning it out].

Now,

Most people wouldnt even know how to adjust bypass shocks correctly, and they end up with a big learning curve where as the truck impoves with a change, where the improvements only grow as fast as the drivers expectations, as they "fiddle" with the valving on a bypass, after what they have expected form generic bolt ons ["in their 4wd a gas shock, foam cell , tough dog, boss shock , EFS , ect "] bit like this thread really, where some cant seem to get past cost, or one type of shock abosrber, or where they "think" they belong, when value for money-cost-deire-and purpose are what is really the factors to look at, not just what they say they cant afford.

Sometimes, just because you can, doesnt mean you should, and looking outside the bubble of what you do, talk to, and serve, can add experience benefits you wouldnt of thought of, [like driving as lambo, to see how the hydro lift suspension works, to stop it dragging on kerbs and driveways, and if the concept can be applied to the next 4wd project cost effectively using other parts, as an example] spending the time to dyno test not only what you sell, to see how it stacks up as a shock absorber, but how all the others work, and if they last also. All cost, all have great teaching potential, to those who want to learn also.

[*cruiser*]

[quote]There are very soft 4" flexy coils but we haven't sold them for nearly a year because they were just too soft in my opinion.

I replaced these items with 5" and 6" front and rear flexy coils and 2 and 3" lift rear flexy coils and in the past few months brought out rear 4" flexy coils. Only just now have we decided to create 4" lift front flexy coils.

When we get the front 4" flexy coils we will be looking for a test rig so we can take exact measurements on our travel ramp so we can get the shock lengths perfect.

Nobody in the world is running 4" flexy coils with either Superiors Superflex arms or Superiors long arm kit so searching is just going to frustrate you.

Some people will get a lot more flex then usual if they are willing to move shock mounts and drop out cones.

I have customers running 3" lift flexy coils on the rear and 32" (820mm) shocks. Because the compressed length is so long and you have to space out the bump stops so much you can be hitting the bump stops a little too often off road meaning the ride isn't ideal. In this situation, the shock mounts really should be moved. We have a Boss adjustable shock coming that is 790mm or just over 31 inches which I think will solve this problem.

In the 4" flexy coil testing, the main thing we really need to test is the compressed length using stock shock mounts to make sure you still get a comfortable ride without hitting the bump stops. Sooooo, whoever has the test vehicle will have to take it bush before we can be fully confident.

On top of that we need to test the ride height of the front coils in comparison to the rear and the ride comfort, for example, are the coils too soft or too firm. It can take a few goes to get it perfect and a month each time a new coil gets designed and then made.

Sorry for boring you all.

So who wants to be a Guinea Pig?

Shane


Great thread !!! Really enjoyed it , even got a spelling lesson

Thanks for your help Saturday Shane I am very happy to try the 4 inch flexy coils with the superior super flex arms and the boss shocks. I put the winch in today so as soon as you are ready we will fit all the gear and get some measurments etc. Will have to get some before and after pics on the ramp.

Cheers
Shane

[tailpipes]

New problems running the superior high flex arm have affected me. With the amount of flex these things give out the front drive shaft is hitting the cross member. Has anyone chopped the member to allow shaft movement? If so pics would be great.

[MyGQ]

I have a X-Link but same principal here

I cut the Crossmember and welded in a piece of pipe to make it fit, will try and get some pic for you so you can see, cause its installed now
mine flexes up huge but doesn't rub with this setup

[1MadEngineer]

New problems running the superior high flex arm have affected me. With the amount of flex these things give out the front drive shaft is hitting the cross member. Has anyone chopped the member to allow shaft movement? If so pics would be great.

hahaha, thats a 'good' problem sounds like they are working well then?
yeah you will have to do a bit of clearancing, especially once good long travel shocks are installed.

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With the shocks we have used, we have always had to clearance the gearbox crossmember, by cutting a section from the "hump" where the gearbox mount is on the tailshaft side, and modify it, and turn the rear tailshaft around to prevent it contacting the tube crossmember on the chassis. Also cutting the washers to fit into the drop boxes, to prevent them contacting the drop boxes.

Even with standard arms, and the bushes we use.

[tailpipes]

Yeah the flex is just unbelievable.

[lewie]

[vanbox]

With the shocks we have used, we have always had to clearance the gearbox crossmember, by cutting a section from the "hump" where the gearbox mount is on the tailshaft side, and modify it, and turn the rear tailshaft around to prevent it contacting the tube crossmember on the chassis. Also cutting the washers to fit into the drop boxes, to prevent them contacting the drop boxes.

Even with standard arms, and the bushes we use.

Do you have a website going yet?

cheers

PAUL

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With the shocks we have used, we have always had to clearance the gearbox crossmember, by cutting a section from the "hump" where the gearbox mount is on the tailshaft side, and modify it, and turn the rear tailshaft around to prevent it contacting the tube crossmember on the chassis. Also cutting the washers to fit into the drop boxes, to prevent them contacting the drop boxes.

Even with standard arms, and the bushes we use.

Do you have a website going yet?

cheers

PAUL

Not as yet, but we have a company working on it.

[dano80]

I never saw any proof you sell 1200 a year with no issues either, didnt even see a % warranty return rate quoted, [or if you new what the % return rate was] but, of course they should consider them as their first option, when someone who sells them says they are the best thing since sliced bread.....

Oh, and "Their" as in theirs, or , its over "there"

Hey Bloke, while we're having a spelling bee, It's KNEW, not NEW


Dano.

[dano80]

Oh yes, Almost forgot......my 32" Procomps work a treat with the 3" flexy coils.........and extended bump stops!

Thanks a heap Shane, will be aquiring a Coil Cab shortly, I'll come a have a chat.

Cheers, Dano.

[Suspension Stuff]

Oh yes, Almost forgot......my 32" Procomps work a treat with the 3" flexy coils.........and extended bump stops!

Thanks a heap Shane, will be aquiring a Coil Cab shortly, I'll come a have a chat.

Cheers, Dano.

N I C E
Can you bring it in? I want to see it up the ramp.

I bet you get a few looks when in the bush flexin your 3" lift.

Shane

[dano80]

Yeah Shane, some of the guys at the club, with there 5/6/7" lifts were like....WOOOOW!

Yeah mate, will touch base with you, for the "ramping"

Just started as a Subcontractor, so all of my S@*t bought for my new truck is a write off, so I'll be in for long arms, flex arms, 4" flexys, adjustable uppers, 32" PC's, etc. But prolly not all at the same time, Just starting out and got to take it slowly with the spending....LOL

Cheers, Dano

[*cruiser*]

Hi shane, will be taking the gu up to LMP this weekend and will give the 4inch flexys a good work out. Bump stops are in and working well, 100mm was spot on ! will get some good pics and send them to you and give you some feedback. Got the ARB lockers in aswell

[Suspension Stuff]

I heard you got the lockers, another customer told me he seen your 4WD getting done. Also I still have your sway bars and stuff, you might want to swing by one day and collect what you want.

Shane

[*cruiser*]

Shock lengths seem to be fine in the rear could go a little longer but then this will effect the up travel i feel. Mind you i very rarely got a wheel off the ground !! I did manage to lift a rear wheel up camp road but did try to put it in the biggest ruts up there. Drove old hilux hill no worries at all with out lifting a wheel. A couple of pics to show!

[chunks]

Nice flex mate, what length are your shocks?

[*cruiser*]

Nice flex mate, what length are your shocks?

Sorry it has taken so long to get back to you chunks !!

The rear shock eye to eye is 828mm and compressed 502mm Stroke 326mm

And the fronts are pin to pin 619mm and compressed 380mm Stroke 239mm

I hope that helps
Cheers
Shane

[chunks]

Nice! The EFS Xtremes I have for my GU ute are 750 open for the rear and 580 open for the front, can't remember the closed lengths off the top of my head. I'm using the Dobinson's 4" progressive coils, hopefully it will be a good combination, just gotta order some bits from Superior and put it all together!

[tailpipes]

For any one who was wondering the answer to the question that was asked at the start of the post. The longest lengths available was in Procomps, They are a very soft shock but they are very comfortable on and off road.This lengths are on standard mounts and bump stops will have to adjusted.
Rear open = 895
Rear closed =505
Front open = 750
Front closed = 445
I will post pictures when i can work it out.

[SLASH]

How is everyone going with there super long boss shocks? Cheers Loz.

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For any one who was wondering the answer to the question that was asked at the start of the post. The longest lengths available was in Procomps, They are a very soft shock but they are very comfortable on and off road.This lengths are on standard mounts and bump stops will have to adjusted.
Rear open = 895
Rear closed =505
Front open = 750
Front closed = 445
I will post pictures when i can work it out.

Rear open = 895
Rear closed =505
so would require a 140mm bump stop spacer to not bottom the shock while gaining 160mm in droop over a 12"stroke shock which requires a 50mm spacer. overall gain 75mm in droop, would require 200mm longer sway bar links, would require 5-8"lift for up travel vs down travel, would suit 39"+ tyres.

Front open = 750
Front closed = 445
Would require 80mm front bump spacer and swivels on arms or big drop boxes to be able to use all the available length, compared to using a 12"stroke 700mm long shock with less bump spacer.would require 200mm longer sway bar links, Would require 5-8"lift for up travel vs down travel, would suit 39"+ tyres.

Shock mounts will need spacers to prevent rubbing on coil, and diff housing.

[SLASH]

That shock wouldnt be valved for a patrol though, would it. Would it make much difference. Cheers Loz.

[tailpipes]

REPLY TO ASSASSIN OFFROAD I am not using any sway bars. The rear=I thought the shock would hit the springs on full compression as well but they hit nothing. The rear uses the hole of the shock up and down, i did extend the bump stops 50mm up on the top of the diff like you said but i think its got to go up and to the front of the truck anther 2,3" because it has major rear steer. I am yet to extend the front bump stops down 80mm and extend the towers up 50mm. What do you mean about the arms needing swivels ? I will post pictures tomorrow

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That much lift, soft shocks, and no sway bars......

Take your seasick pills before you drive.