Rears up front kit.

[Wolverine]

G'day guys I was wondering if anyone in Australia is selling a rears up front kit for the suzuki.

I have read that RRO have them but have any been designed over here.

Cheers

[DeWsE]

Hey wolverine,

Good to see someone from Western Australia.

As for the kit PM skippy as I think I remember him talking about a kit that didn't require a chassis extention. There is some info on this thread if your keen to do the chassis extention:

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... php?t=6462

If your really keen let me know as I would like to do it to my rig but it would be great to do it to someone elses first

[camo]

i bough the RRO kit and am fitting it tommorrow
with the dollar so high i dont see why not

[Wolverine]

yeah,

I was thinking that too Camo. The RRO kit allowes for lifted springs aswell dosen't it.

Hey Dewse, where abouts are you at?

[bazooked]

1 word........spoa.......

[Wolverine]

Yeah I know.....i've seen yourig...it rocks... but don't you get heaps of hassles from the cops.

I was running a 5inch lift (shackle reversal) and 33's on my old zook and was getting pulled up all the time. I know spoa's are cheap, easy and effective but I am now looking at something with a nice low COG and good flex/travel but dosen't stand out.
Probably looking at 31 for onroad and maybe 32/33 for off again.

Quite a few people seemed to be doing this now and seem pretty impressed.

[Guy]

1 word........spoa.......

I have had SPOA with normal fronts up front as wel as OME fronts up front ... rears up front SPOA or SPUA kill normal fronts for flex also easier to fit larger rubber as you get better firewall clearance ..


BTW SPOA is an acronym not a word ...

[DeWsE]

I live in Mandurah,
where abouts are you in perth?

So have your rigs ever been stickered by cops in perth or do they just give your car a good looking over and mumble " those tires don't look standard" or "that tail light looks a bit dim"?

[-Mick-]

Camo any pics of this installed

I'm interested but can't remember this kit It doesn't have those big clamps on the front of the rig to wreck approach angle does it

The link off the RRO site doesn't show it installed

[nicbeer]

Cool more perthies.

I am up hillarys end myself.

I ahave also been thinking of rears up front, let us know how ya go.

Nic

[Wolverine]

Well I priced up the RRO kit. It was $130.00 deliverd (by fast mail) and seems pretty easy to install.

here is a link to an install review:
http://www.izook.com/reviews/rrftor/rrrftor.htm

Dewse, I'm in Joondalup and I wasn't stickered on any occasion but only because I got a "get out of jail free card" myself. (read between lines)
Still, on some occassions it took some pretty fast talking as there are some BONAR-FIDE traffic nazi's out there.

But anyway I think I will order this kit and see how it goes. The kit can be used either SPOA or SPUA so either way you go it will give better front travel!

We will have to get a few of the Perthies together for a run one day.

BRING YOUR OWN SCANNERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bazooked]

touch wood i have never been pulled up by the cops,had the occasionall look but thats bout it, even with the mongrels.
i new the gramma nazis would come out to...

[nicbeer]

Not bad price I guess $US, wonder if is cheaper with a few people??.

With the RRO is there anything else I have to do such as steering, shock or bump stops or even brake lines. I will be staying SPUA. At the moment using stock rear springs up front.

What will this give me?? More flex i understand but more lift as well??

cheers

Nic

[grimbo]

more flex no lift unless you use lifted springs. probably be a good idea to get extended brake lines. Steering should be ok but you may want to check if there is any contact between tie rod and drag link.

[Wolverine]

The write up states that the kit keeps the axle close to stock location, so there shouldn't be any drama's there with shocks, bump stops or steering.
I have emailed the dude anyway just to confirm this.

For just over $100 buck even with stock springs you will get a good performance gain and a good starting point for further development of the suspension.

Like Grimbo said you can later go to lifted rear springs alround and have a lift and cool flex.

Also BAZOOKED have you been to that rock garden the jeep boys have been talking about in Mundaring yet?

[nicbeer]

Cool, let us know.

cheers

Nic

[greg]

For just over $100 buck even with stock springs you will get a good performance gain and a good starting point for further development of the suspension.

Like Grimbo said you can later go to lifted rear springs alround and have a lift and cool flex.

You may need to think a bit about this idea Wolverine. If you are doing the rears up front, half the advantage comes from moving the diff forward (this means more clearance between the tyre and the firewall and this allows a bigger tyre to be fitted).

The other consideration is that if this kit is designed to fit a stock spring and still work - then it obviously isn't extending the distance between the eyes of the springs by very much - this suggests to me that it may not allow you to fit a longer spring in there if you decide to do so in the future. i.e. OME rear springs are longer - this is what my sierra front is setup to take - but i don't imagine that it would be able to handle a rear stock spring - i think these might be too short for it.

Cheers

[Wolverine]

I see what your saying Greg, but isn't it the same as just putting a lifted spring in the rear. The didtance between the two hangers remains the same even though the springs are longer.

So therefore once the new front hanger is set to the right distance for a stock rear spring, than it should be exactly the same for a lifted one.

I think it can do this and still remain in near stock location by using an adapter that changes the mounting pin location.

Th install looks like it gives you the option of drilling through the leaves or using the adapter.

The writeup says it can be used with lifted springs aswell but I have put everyones quiries on an email and send it off.

I will let you know when I get a reply.

[Wolverine]

Here is a link I found of a guy who installed the kit with 2.5 inch rear OME springs:


http://www.izook.com/tech/samurai/suspe ... spring.htm

[bazooked]

neva heard of it, were bouts in mundaring?, or are they on about the 1 on the sawyers valley powerline track?

[camo]

i will finish my install today and i think if you wanted longer (e.G. ARB springs) all you would have to do is run slightly longer shackles, as the RRO kit uses your standard shackles

the RRO kit moves your diff forward 1'3/8 (30mm ish)

P.S> i would post some photo's but my camara ran out of battery's will get some more today

[greg]

I see what your saying Greg, but isn't it the same as just putting a lifted spring in the rear. The didtance between the two hangers remains the same even though the springs are longer.

Kind of... though be aware that when the spring flattens out under full compression it will lengthen - and if this lengthening is restricted by your distance from chassis mount to shackle mount points - then you will loose out on upward travel.

However, generally speaking this can be fixed with a longer shackle (within reason).

[Wolverine]

Yep...thats what I thought aswell Greg. Any small probs could probably be soughted with the shackles.

Hey Camo, I know you might not be finished just yet but does it look like the bumps stops and shocks will have to be moved.

I keep trying to email RRO but his mail is over the quota and it just gets sent back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And Bazooked...it's in Mundaring. Duncan and the Jepp fella's went down there the other day and reckoned it was pretty challenging.

[greg]

Hey Camo, I know you might not be finished just yet but does it look like the bumps stops and shocks will have to be moved.

I expect that if you are moving the diff by more than an inch - you would definately be moving the shock mounts, brake line brackets and bump stops.

[Guy]

Hey Camo, I know you might not be finished just yet but does it look like the bumps stops and shocks will have to be moved.

I expect that if you are moving the diff by more than an inch - you would definately be moving the shock mounts, brake line brackets and bump stops.

Bumpstops yep move em .. why the rest ??? I've never had an issue with the rest being in the stock location ..

[grimbo]

Hey Camo, I know you might not be finished just yet but does it look like the bumps stops and shocks will have to be moved.

I expect that if you are moving the diff by more than an inch - you would definately be moving the shock mounts, brake line brackets and bump stops.

Bumpstops yep move em .. why the rest ??? I've never had an issue with the rest being in the stock location ..

I agree Guy, don't need to move brake line brackets just need longer brake lines.

[nicbeer]

So general idea is that:

Move bumpstops to accomodate axle move.
Longer brake lines

Any others.
I will be using the factory shocks at the moment I think, as I don't have the money to spend at moment on suspension upgrade but will consider.
The question is ohw much longer than stock shocks on the front will I need.

Wolverine, let me know if you going to order the items.

cheers

Nic

[camo]

i have just finished the job dont need to move bump stop but will need longer shocks and brake lines cant wait to see how much flex i can get!!!

photo's in ten minutes

[camo]

oh factory shocks wont fit any more so u will need new ones

[grimbo]

i have just finished the job dont need to move bump stop but will need longer shocks and brake lines cant wait to see how much flex i can get!!!

photo's in ten minutes

Going by how far forward my diff came when doing RUF, yes the bumpstops will still function in stock position, sort of. You will be better off if the bump stops sit exactly over the diff not slightly behind as it will be with the diff movement