Hey all, just an update.
At this stage, I have had 2 people tell me that they might run stock class next year, so at this point, it will not be running unless I get a lot of support for it before xmas.
Things that will change in the rules for next year will be all competitors will need window nets & 10lt of water. I strongely urge all to be equipt with a winch, you will need it.
I don't want discurage anyone from taking part in this event, so to make the playing feild as even as possible, surtain items on vehicles will attract one of penilties. This that will be targeted will be tyre sizes, winches, lockers, just to name a few. This should make it so that even people without all the big comp style mods still have a good chance at winning.
All tracks next year will be timed.
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sweet, after competin in my first comp, this year, i am keen as to have a go at a few more, i might start doin a few things to get me truck ready for if i end up givin it a crack
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I like the way your thinking bring another comp into the CQ Area. Judging by the 3 car there is more that enough people keen to have a lash at this style of event... But seriously what is with the penealty system??? I'm not a fan of this system for many reasons but mainly i love watching dudes that rock up to an event and place well even with less equiqment that the other and because of pure size of heart they do well (not because of a points system) and i know for myself even thou we havent won any comps we have rocked up to event with smaller tires, stock winchs and less moded cars but all heart and and gave it a red hot go and held our own and still walked away proud...
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i'm with yoo 110% josh. Stop worrying about about rules and penalties and more on getting a smooth running event. 3 car showed this in droves it's more important to spectators and competitors alike to be occupied the whole event. For a start these penalties are a one time thing.
If it was even going to make a difference you should be doing it as a penalty for every stage.
But i for one think penalties are a waste of time. If a 1st year apprentice can afford a GU patrol, double locked, runnin a 4 inch lift and 36" centipedes. (and i've seen alot that do). How does this actually level the playing field?
More focus needs to be on the smooth running of the event. Keep the competitors and spectators happy and you will have a truckload more popular event.
We'll theres my bit of constructive criticism for the day
If it was even going to make a difference you should be doing it as a penalty for every stage.
But i for one think penalties are a waste of time. If a 1st year apprentice can afford a GU patrol, double locked, runnin a 4 inch lift and 36" centipedes. (and i've seen alot that do). How does this actually level the playing field?
More focus needs to be on the smooth running of the event. Keep the competitors and spectators happy and you will have a truckload more popular event.
We'll theres my bit of constructive criticism for the day
[quote="Joshie_C"]we havent won any comps we have rocked up to event with smaller tires, stock winchs and less moded cars but all heart and and gave it a red hot go and held our own and still walked away proud...[/quote]
haha smaller tyres joshie from memory you were one of the first to have 37inch tyres (on your lux) in the cq area.and it looked cool leefy locked and 37s and it was v8 to if you listen to rumours. but i could be wrong. (joke )haha
but hey guys dont bag it till you have competed with the panaltys as it makes things a lot more of a stratergy game .and makes competitors try to drive more of the hills (witch is wat you fellas keep saying you like to see )
and giggles as for smooth running of the event some things are out of the organisers control like tracks falling apart and geting harder and some tracks get easyer so wat do you sugest the organiser does in that case or even a busted car on the corse wat do you do to make it run smooth I would like to no wat to do then. it is hard to do these events and please everyone . this is a genuine question and i am not having a go at anyone I really would like to know how to as many have tried to do so.
myself as a competitor i think they are on the right track it just needs to be refined a bit. just my thoughts
cheers guys
haha smaller tyres joshie from memory you were one of the first to have 37inch tyres (on your lux) in the cq area.and it looked cool leefy locked and 37s and it was v8 to if you listen to rumours. but i could be wrong. (joke )haha
but hey guys dont bag it till you have competed with the panaltys as it makes things a lot more of a stratergy game .and makes competitors try to drive more of the hills (witch is wat you fellas keep saying you like to see )
and giggles as for smooth running of the event some things are out of the organisers control like tracks falling apart and geting harder and some tracks get easyer so wat do you sugest the organiser does in that case or even a busted car on the corse wat do you do to make it run smooth I would like to no wat to do then. it is hard to do these events and please everyone . this is a genuine question and i am not having a go at anyone I really would like to know how to as many have tried to do so.
myself as a competitor i think they are on the right track it just needs to be refined a bit. just my thoughts
cheers guys
Hey all
Unfortunately I have to jump in on this and ask a few questions.
First up my position is that the penalty for mods is not a good move. At the top levels of any motorsport there are rules and you can do whatever you like within those rules. None of these events are entry level competitions anymore! Was there more than 5 daily drivers in the field at CQORC out of 60 cars? They are all toys/comp cars this year and as such no one tells Chad Reed in Moto that he gets a penalty for running special hubs because his competitors can't afford it.... it doesn't happen.
I think the only logical move is to accept what sort of cars you want to compete and then let them run.
Jas does it really play into your stratigy? Are you telling me that you drove more hills than you would of normally? That makes no sense to me because if you drive the hill in any event you save yourself time and risk of penalties? So if your not driving as many of the hills as you possible can in all the events aren't you cutting yourself short? I don't think I saw MADICA not attempt a hill at XWC because he wasn't playing catchup?
I think these penalties points don't achieve what they were suppose to (Look at the top teams at CQORC they were still the big teams, and if you guys got knocked out on penalties despite doing everything right you'd be annoyed and not compete again...)
In the end the penalties are just another distraction and mind game in our sport that isn't really required. If you turn up there in a 33 inch tired stock winched LM GQ then if you win it's a joke! and you don't expect to win either.
So ditch the penalties and let the boys run! I think this is the easiest way for the crowd to understand what is going on. Fastest, craziest best dude wins... simple.
As for spectator enjoyment I think it's the same as always Jas. Spectators are the unsung hero of the sport because they pay the bills. As long as there is a happy crowd of supporters there will always be bigger and better trucks getting built. It's just reality.
I'm thinking Live DJ, rides for kids, clear maps for spectator areas. Tracks set up to suit spectators. As in 3 tracks all in very close proximaty so that if one track fails and slows down it is a matter of minutes until they are in the action again on the next track... not a 20 minute walk.
Other thing is that hard technical winch courses are boring for the spectator. Stop focusing on crazy sideways winches, or forced thru a block winch comp. It's not what the crowd wants to see. I can't speak from a competitor point of view but I want to see a 20% drive rate and I wouldn't complain at all if MADICA, Truz or Swamp Donks didn't winch at all in the event. THAT'S THE WHOLE EVENT. They'd be the teams that everyone would be following around to watch the action.
Again all of these things could have been in place at the CQORC 09 and I know that the guys are working on making the event as good as possible.
But I think if we want to see multi-national companys and sponsors for the competitors (which is ultimately what will keep everyone in the sport) then we need to start thinking about how to market our sport to a huge spectator base. And I don't think that restricting it with complicated penalty systems is the way of the future.
Again you've already seen Bear that the stock class is hard to cater for, as did MMM with his Production Class. If we aren't careful the whole sport will implode with penalties and problems.
Bear I'd skip the penalties and head straight to the spectator planning.
The people that would compete, will compete and no one will complain when they get 5th in their mild build wagon. In fact I'd say they'd be proud of doing so well and wouldn't have their mates say "it was just because of the stupid penalties!"
No bud! My wagon beat you fair and square!
Unfortunately I have to jump in on this and ask a few questions.
First up my position is that the penalty for mods is not a good move. At the top levels of any motorsport there are rules and you can do whatever you like within those rules. None of these events are entry level competitions anymore! Was there more than 5 daily drivers in the field at CQORC out of 60 cars? They are all toys/comp cars this year and as such no one tells Chad Reed in Moto that he gets a penalty for running special hubs because his competitors can't afford it.... it doesn't happen.
I think the only logical move is to accept what sort of cars you want to compete and then let them run.
Jas does it really play into your stratigy? Are you telling me that you drove more hills than you would of normally? That makes no sense to me because if you drive the hill in any event you save yourself time and risk of penalties? So if your not driving as many of the hills as you possible can in all the events aren't you cutting yourself short? I don't think I saw MADICA not attempt a hill at XWC because he wasn't playing catchup?
I think these penalties points don't achieve what they were suppose to (Look at the top teams at CQORC they were still the big teams, and if you guys got knocked out on penalties despite doing everything right you'd be annoyed and not compete again...)
In the end the penalties are just another distraction and mind game in our sport that isn't really required. If you turn up there in a 33 inch tired stock winched LM GQ then if you win it's a joke! and you don't expect to win either.
So ditch the penalties and let the boys run! I think this is the easiest way for the crowd to understand what is going on. Fastest, craziest best dude wins... simple.
As for spectator enjoyment I think it's the same as always Jas. Spectators are the unsung hero of the sport because they pay the bills. As long as there is a happy crowd of supporters there will always be bigger and better trucks getting built. It's just reality.
I'm thinking Live DJ, rides for kids, clear maps for spectator areas. Tracks set up to suit spectators. As in 3 tracks all in very close proximaty so that if one track fails and slows down it is a matter of minutes until they are in the action again on the next track... not a 20 minute walk.
Other thing is that hard technical winch courses are boring for the spectator. Stop focusing on crazy sideways winches, or forced thru a block winch comp. It's not what the crowd wants to see. I can't speak from a competitor point of view but I want to see a 20% drive rate and I wouldn't complain at all if MADICA, Truz or Swamp Donks didn't winch at all in the event. THAT'S THE WHOLE EVENT. They'd be the teams that everyone would be following around to watch the action.
Again all of these things could have been in place at the CQORC 09 and I know that the guys are working on making the event as good as possible.
But I think if we want to see multi-national companys and sponsors for the competitors (which is ultimately what will keep everyone in the sport) then we need to start thinking about how to market our sport to a huge spectator base. And I don't think that restricting it with complicated penalty systems is the way of the future.
Again you've already seen Bear that the stock class is hard to cater for, as did MMM with his Production Class. If we aren't careful the whole sport will implode with penalties and problems.
Bear I'd skip the penalties and head straight to the spectator planning.
The people that would compete, will compete and no one will complain when they get 5th in their mild build wagon. In fact I'd say they'd be proud of doing so well and wouldn't have their mates say "it was just because of the stupid penalties!"
No bud! My wagon beat you fair and square!
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there were maps and there were most tracks side by side and there was a big variation of tracks and yes there was a lot of daily drivers so if you would have been there you would know this .
these are team events not single car so you cant compare this to chad reed or anything like that
my thoughts were yes there was some problems but all in all it was well run and from other competitors that i spoke to said they had a ball.
and the same for spectators most peaple loved it bar a minority.
but hey you cant please everyone .
cheers crazy eyes
ps if the event arnt up to your standard get out there and have a go or help the boys with the three rnd single car winch series next year (not threw the club)as it is independent.
these are team events not single car so you cant compare this to chad reed or anything like that
my thoughts were yes there was some problems but all in all it was well run and from other competitors that i spoke to said they had a ball.
and the same for spectators most peaple loved it bar a minority.
but hey you cant please everyone .
cheers crazy eyes
ps if the event arnt up to your standard get out there and have a go or help the boys with the three rnd single car winch series next year (not threw the club)as it is independent.
if it aint forced it wont go
Good to see you guys are passionate about our sport and go to the trouble of posting here. I'd just like to know how many events you guys have competeted in or run yourselves? Giggles83 and Digsy both like to tell us how to improve our local events and also speak on behalf of multi-national companies now as it would seem as to what they are looking for. While i as i am sure many other other people welcome constructive critisism, show me were in your posting Giggles83 where you have done that? Its so easy easy to sit back and just pick out the supposed bad points of any event but when have any of you been actually involved with the running, organising etc of a big event?
I know you ran your top truck challenge digsy for one year. What happened to this? Sure it's easy to blame external influences but you talk like you know everything about the events that we want around here and Australia for that matter. How bout you stop talking and do for a change.
How you can comment about an event that you wernt even at is beyond me. The penalty system did exactly what it was supposed to do and that was make teams think. I don't know of a team that was unhappy with the challenges that were presented to them on the weekend. I for one set tracks to test teams and leadership not so spectators can get there jollys.
And as for spectators being the unsung heroes lol what a joke!. How many heroes get drunk and disorderly, leave there rubish anywhere they feel like it, disregard event spectator entry requirements and show general disregard for officials, competitors they don't like and security? In saying that 90% are good. It's the 10% of dickheads that spoil it for everyone. But im sure you will see that when you run your own events.
And it just so happens now guys that the CQ Challenge is looking for a new comittee to steer it. How bout you put your money where you mouth is and step forward and bring us this spectacular that your talking about?
Giggles83 keep our spectators and competitors happy and we'll have a truckload more popular event. Mmmmm let me see - 1st year 9 teams, 2nd year 12 teams, 3rd year 15 teams and this year 20 teams and pushing them away! How much more popular do you want it? Sure if we set tracks that have a 20% drive rate we might have more spectators for one year but then would quicly loose competitors due to bordem. Basic track with one hill that they may or may not drive. Not testing much in the way of brain power or driving skill really apart from see how long you can keep you foot flat.
So go ahead guys, bring us these magical events that are an event organiser, spectators, competitors and muli national sponsors dream! Show everyone how it's done.
Davo
I know you ran your top truck challenge digsy for one year. What happened to this? Sure it's easy to blame external influences but you talk like you know everything about the events that we want around here and Australia for that matter. How bout you stop talking and do for a change.
How you can comment about an event that you wernt even at is beyond me. The penalty system did exactly what it was supposed to do and that was make teams think. I don't know of a team that was unhappy with the challenges that were presented to them on the weekend. I for one set tracks to test teams and leadership not so spectators can get there jollys.
And as for spectators being the unsung heroes lol what a joke!. How many heroes get drunk and disorderly, leave there rubish anywhere they feel like it, disregard event spectator entry requirements and show general disregard for officials, competitors they don't like and security? In saying that 90% are good. It's the 10% of dickheads that spoil it for everyone. But im sure you will see that when you run your own events.
And it just so happens now guys that the CQ Challenge is looking for a new comittee to steer it. How bout you put your money where you mouth is and step forward and bring us this spectacular that your talking about?
Giggles83 keep our spectators and competitors happy and we'll have a truckload more popular event. Mmmmm let me see - 1st year 9 teams, 2nd year 12 teams, 3rd year 15 teams and this year 20 teams and pushing them away! How much more popular do you want it? Sure if we set tracks that have a 20% drive rate we might have more spectators for one year but then would quicly loose competitors due to bordem. Basic track with one hill that they may or may not drive. Not testing much in the way of brain power or driving skill really apart from see how long you can keep you foot flat.
So go ahead guys, bring us these magical events that are an event organiser, spectators, competitors and muli national sponsors dream! Show everyone how it's done.
Davo
hi to all well if i get all the bugs sorted i will be there the little truck is having a make over dowie is work like a cut snake it will be good to run in a differnt comp in cq and to all the off road bubbys who have been wondering weather i was still a live year still about just been supper busy see you all soon
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All i can say is bring on the penalty system and lets just race..... The penalty system is not going to go away and every comp is going this way now so lets just get to it and race look at team Y NOT on the weekend they had to race with the penalty system and still won. I don't like the idea of it but if you have a good truck and a good team you still have a chance of a win.
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I worry sometimes 
. Constructive critisism that wasnt there in my last post? I said i thought the penalty system wasn't well sorted enuff to actually make real difference. I'.m not the be all and end all of knowledge as i havn't "run an event".
But i spend alot of time walking around them talking to competitors and spectators to get feedback on peoples thought. which is why i posted my comment to let organisers know thats what people thought. And unlike other people i told what i thought up straight not said stuff at the event then change my opinion on an internet forum "jas".
Nothings ever going to suit everyone taste just throwin ideas around for suggestion. If you dont like em dont use em its not 4wding gospel
And as to your suggestion for runnin top truck again Davo i've already spoken to dukesy about the runnin of an event a couple of months ago and will try to run in conjuction between all the other comps in the cq area. So heres hopin i can pull my finger out and get it sorted.
And i will be more than happy for every bit of input people can give me with catering for all needs, not get so worked up over every comment people make that doesnt streamline with whats being done
Everyone needs to stop gettin so worked up over stuff thats not there
. Constructive critisism that wasnt there in my last post? I said i thought the penalty system wasn't well sorted enuff to actually make real difference. I'.m not the be all and end all of knowledge as i havn't "run an event". But i spend alot of time walking around them talking to competitors and spectators to get feedback on peoples thought. which is why i posted my comment to let organisers know thats what people thought. And unlike other people i told what i thought up straight not said stuff at the event then change my opinion on an internet forum "jas".
Nothings ever going to suit everyone taste just throwin ideas around for suggestion. If you dont like em dont use em its not 4wding gospel
And as to your suggestion for runnin top truck again Davo i've already spoken to dukesy about the runnin of an event a couple of months ago and will try to run in conjuction between all the other comps in the cq area. So heres hopin i can pull my finger out and get it sorted.
And i will be more than happy for every bit of input people can give me with catering for all needs, not get so worked up over every comment people make that doesnt streamline with whats being done
Everyone needs to stop gettin so worked up over stuff thats not there
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Nerve obviously hit...
Your right you guys are rocking. Awesome event and I wasn't there.
My appologies for my views.
Nerve obviously hit...
Your right you guys are rocking. Awesome event and I wasn't there.
My appologies for my views.
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On a good topic I can't wait to get back up and support the Mackay Challange! Really looking forward to getting to see some more of that land you got Bear! And I'm sure there is going to be a few blokes keen to have another crack at that SoupBowl!
No doubt Breezys jeep will cope another full assalt at the pit!
Can't wait to see some of the rigs coming out of Mackay too!
If it's anything like the Rocky area it will be a drool worth comp for us spectators for sure.
No doubt Breezys jeep will cope another full assalt at the pit!
Can't wait to see some of the rigs coming out of Mackay too!
If it's anything like the Rocky area it will be a drool worth comp for us spectators for sure.
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Hey...
I would like to say that yes i did have 37's on my hilux (Dan and his ulitimate adventure magazine made me do it... honest, haha) but it never once entered any comps, it was just a play toy, and she was bulk good fun i wont denie that...
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Dan didnt do Top Truck Challenge, that was all my doing. he just helped me out with things as he had run events before that, davo i actually think you competed in some of them...
And maybe people should take the angry glasses off and read thru dans post again, i actually think he is giving you guys a wrap and was just replying to jas post about what would you do diff, or how would you do it... so he did...
I would like to say that yes i did have 37's on my hilux (Dan and his ulitimate adventure magazine made me do it... honest, haha) but it never once entered any comps, it was just a play toy, and she was bulk good fun i wont denie that...
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Dan didnt do Top Truck Challenge, that was all my doing. he just helped me out with things as he had run events before that, davo i actually think you competed in some of them...
And maybe people should take the angry glasses off and read thru dans post again, i actually think he is giving you guys a wrap and was just replying to jas post about what would you do diff, or how would you do it... so he did...
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Hi Bear, all I can say is stick to what YOU want in an event, as you are the one who wants to run it.
To me rules are rules, if you want to run in that event just follow the rules and do not try to change them to suit yourself.
As for penalties/handicap, this is a great idea and it will keep the playing field more level between the guys with big dollars to use & the ones that are just starting.
It also helps the new guys into the sport. Handicaps already operate in many sports and it is accepted without complaint.
But to be fair on everyone state as early as possible what they are going to be. If needed talk to people that have this in place in their events. Make sure that you work this out before announcing what they are going to be, then stick by it and don't change your view.
All the best in the event, if I can be of any help please contact me.
Cheers
David Metcalfe
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To me rules are rules, if you want to run in that event just follow the rules and do not try to change them to suit yourself.
As for penalties/handicap, this is a great idea and it will keep the playing field more level between the guys with big dollars to use & the ones that are just starting.
It also helps the new guys into the sport. Handicaps already operate in many sports and it is accepted without complaint.
But to be fair on everyone state as early as possible what they are going to be. If needed talk to people that have this in place in their events. Make sure that you work this out before announcing what they are going to be, then stick by it and don't change your view.
All the best in the event, if I can be of any help please contact me.
Cheers
David Metcalfe
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Bloody hell you lot, calm down.
I take on board everything that has been said, but the penilty system will stay.
I know we are going to get some very seasioned competitors to this event next year, but for me, I still want this to be a stepping stone into the bigger events, like XWC etc. For me, the penilty system will bring the playing feild back for those guys that are just starting out and trying to get into the sport, or as I think of them, the future. I would prefer to run a comp in this way to attract these guy's to give them a taste of what competing is all about. All the penilty system is going to do is make the guy's with the big HP and winches use them, which in turn will please the crowd.
I went to the property today for some track planning. We have the basic's of 6 stages in the main spectator area, with more to be looked at further into the property, so there will be something in veiw at all times.
Looking at running 1 warm up Stage Friday night, 8 stages on Saturday, 1 Saturday night, a 2 hr GPS run Sunday morning and 3 team stages Sunday morning and arvo. At this stage, all tracks being looked at are for the single class event. hoping to have all night stages rapped up by about 8.00 or 9.00pm.
Tracks are going to be a mixture of winching, technical and higher speed. Not all stages will have winching in them, but plan on at least half, so don't come under prepaired. Last year we let those that didn't have winches use other vehicles that did, this will not be the case in 2010.
Guy's, even if we don't run a stock class, most of the tracks could be driven and winched by standardish height trucks, so don't let this stop you from entering. It will be more about how well you can drive and how well you and you navi work together.
I would certainly hope that more experienced competitors will encourage those that are on the fence about starting up in the comp seen to come and try this event. This is one of the most relaxed, easy going events you will find, and hope all will keep this in mind when they come to compete. We are not racing for sheep stations, just fun, bragging rights and a trophy, so leave the ego's at home for this weekend and come to have fun.
I take on board everything that has been said, but the penilty system will stay.
I know we are going to get some very seasioned competitors to this event next year, but for me, I still want this to be a stepping stone into the bigger events, like XWC etc. For me, the penilty system will bring the playing feild back for those guys that are just starting out and trying to get into the sport, or as I think of them, the future. I would prefer to run a comp in this way to attract these guy's to give them a taste of what competing is all about. All the penilty system is going to do is make the guy's with the big HP and winches use them, which in turn will please the crowd.
I went to the property today for some track planning. We have the basic's of 6 stages in the main spectator area, with more to be looked at further into the property, so there will be something in veiw at all times.
Looking at running 1 warm up Stage Friday night, 8 stages on Saturday, 1 Saturday night, a 2 hr GPS run Sunday morning and 3 team stages Sunday morning and arvo. At this stage, all tracks being looked at are for the single class event. hoping to have all night stages rapped up by about 8.00 or 9.00pm.
Tracks are going to be a mixture of winching, technical and higher speed. Not all stages will have winching in them, but plan on at least half, so don't come under prepaired. Last year we let those that didn't have winches use other vehicles that did, this will not be the case in 2010.
Guy's, even if we don't run a stock class, most of the tracks could be driven and winched by standardish height trucks, so don't let this stop you from entering. It will be more about how well you can drive and how well you and you navi work together.
I would certainly hope that more experienced competitors will encourage those that are on the fence about starting up in the comp seen to come and try this event. This is one of the most relaxed, easy going events you will find, and hope all will keep this in mind when they come to compete. We are not racing for sheep stations, just fun, bragging rights and a trophy, so leave the ego's at home for this weekend and come to have fun.
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Well were do i start.
Bear the best thing about your event is that it is laid back. (Don't change it just a few extra stages only) Keep doing it for the newcomers its great. Panelize the the comp trucks that enter.
As every one is know's i have competed in XWC, Cliffhanger, Longan challenge, Mackay Challenge , Top truck challenge, SSS wicnch series and had done a heap of little club events. I have also been involved with the CQ Challenge for the 4 years now. I have a passion for the sport and
4w driving if i think somthing needs changing in the sport i get off my and do it . I dont sit on a computor and talk shit. So Davo has offered you fellow's and oportunity to make a difference so do it. Giggles you said you come and seen about running a event that is true so do it don,t talk about i need another event to do. What i am saying people is that the people that are passionate about the sport don't sit on computors they are our there trying to do something for the sport.
Ps Sorry about the spelling.
Brad
Bear the best thing about your event is that it is laid back. (Don't change it just a few extra stages only) Keep doing it for the newcomers its great. Panelize the the comp trucks that enter.
As every one is know's i have competed in XWC, Cliffhanger, Longan challenge, Mackay Challenge , Top truck challenge, SSS wicnch series and had done a heap of little club events. I have also been involved with the CQ Challenge for the 4 years now. I have a passion for the sport and
4w driving if i think somthing needs changing in the sport i get off my and do it . I dont sit on a computor and talk shit. So Davo has offered you fellow's and oportunity to make a difference so do it. Giggles you said you come and seen about running a event that is true so do it don,t talk about i need another event to do. What i am saying people is that the people that are passionate about the sport don't sit on computors they are our there trying to do something for the sport.
Ps Sorry about the spelling.
Brad
I agree with Brad, we are holding a tougher series next year, but the Mackay comp will remain as is. I don't see many other entry level comps happening in CQ to FNQ reagion.
For those that compete regularly, I urge you you to still enter as you are the guy's that the other look up to, so come and put on a show.
For those that compete regularly, I urge you you to still enter as you are the guy's that the other look up to, so come and put on a show.
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I agree with Brad, we are holding a tougher series next year, but the Mackay comp will remain as is. I don't see many other entry level comps happening in CQ to FNQ reagion.
For those that compete regularly, I urge you you to still enter as you are the guy's that the other look up to, so come and put on a show.
For those that compete regularly, I urge you you to still enter as you are the guy's that the other look up to, so come and put on a show.
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I agree with Brad, we are holding a tougher series next year, but the Mackay comp will remain as is. I don't see many other entry level comps happening in CQ to FNQ reagion.
For those that compete regularly, I urge you you to still enter as you are the guy's that the other look up to, so come and put on a show.
For those that compete regularly, I urge you you to still enter as you are the guy's that the other look up to, so come and put on a show.
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i just want an audience to flog me truck in front of, i dont expect to win just have a ball, being new to the sport the penalties will help me but i can understand those who are more experienced being upset but it should all in the name of fun.
maybe it should be like some car rallies and have a handicap winner trophy and a outright winner as well, still 1 event with 2 winners.
cam
maybe it should be like some car rallies and have a handicap winner trophy and a outright winner as well, still 1 event with 2 winners.
cam
[quote="cammo79"]i just want an audience to flog me truck in front of, i dont expect to win just have a ball, being new to the sport the penalties will help me but i can understand those who are more experienced being upset but it should all in the name of fun.
maybe it should be like some car rallies and have a handicap winner trophy and a outright winner as well, still 1 event with 2 winners.
cam[/quote]
Cammo79 mate you have hit the nail right on the head. I believe that there is some confusion about big money trucks and guys who have been compeating for a while and have had more time, as in years, to build the truck they want to compete with. Lets face it you don`t take home prize money big enough to cover what you`ve spent on your truck,so for me if i`ve won a stage don`t give the trophy to another car on penaltys for my years of expirence or inexpirence or I won`t come to your comp.Trust me ploughing through a bog hole up to the doors with sand wrecking ever component bolted to it gets a little old after a few years just for s#!ts and giggles and {putting on a show} .You will find people have to pick thair comps at the moment because we are all working a little harder for a dollar.For me it comes down to this if you want a smooth comp for starters and seasoned competitors just have a few more trophies!Why would you take time off to trash your car to be beaten on penalitys? winch challenges in general need to remember that people take time off to do this sport and if the don`t rectifiy it soon winch challenges will always be what people did to get into another form of motorsport. how do you think a open cc rider in the fink would feel if a 125cc rider beat him to the podium? I bet the 125 dude wouldn`t want it anyway.Sorry to go on a bit but I can see just as many people getting out of winch comps as there are getting into them.Cheers Billy.
maybe it should be like some car rallies and have a handicap winner trophy and a outright winner as well, still 1 event with 2 winners.
cam[/quote]
Cammo79 mate you have hit the nail right on the head. I believe that there is some confusion about big money trucks and guys who have been compeating for a while and have had more time, as in years, to build the truck they want to compete with. Lets face it you don`t take home prize money big enough to cover what you`ve spent on your truck,so for me if i`ve won a stage don`t give the trophy to another car on penaltys for my years of expirence or inexpirence or I won`t come to your comp.Trust me ploughing through a bog hole up to the doors with sand wrecking ever component bolted to it gets a little old after a few years just for s#!ts and giggles and {putting on a show} .You will find people have to pick thair comps at the moment because we are all working a little harder for a dollar.For me it comes down to this if you want a smooth comp for starters and seasoned competitors just have a few more trophies!Why would you take time off to trash your car to be beaten on penalitys? winch challenges in general need to remember that people take time off to do this sport and if the don`t rectifiy it soon winch challenges will always be what people did to get into another form of motorsport. how do you think a open cc rider in the fink would feel if a 125cc rider beat him to the podium? I bet the 125 dude wouldn`t want it anyway.Sorry to go on a bit but I can see just as many people getting out of winch comps as there are getting into them.Cheers Billy.
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bear i reckon with a couple of filled truck tubes for floaties i could float the soupbowl in the zook, will floaties carry a penalty?tacrocky wrote:Hey Bear looking forward to the comp, book my camp site but don't order so much rain this time or we will have to have fit floaties to the navies.
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