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Best Mud Terrain... FOR MUD

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Best Mud Terrain... FOR MUD

Post by HTH »

Have done a bit of searching and nearly every tyre ive looked at everyones comments is good/except for mud.

Keep in mind i dont want to blow the bank.
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Post by GRIMACE »

it is because mud is unpredictable sloppy slippery low traction surface.

Serious its hard to pick much between tyres when in mud. Obviously a highway tread is gonna be useless, but any tyre with some decent lugs and enough HP to clear them will be ok in mud.

If you ever get stuck in mud, most of the times it's just that the mud is too deep, steep or boggy, not that your mud tyres are shit, or you dont have a locker bla bla bla.

Mud is mud, it's a carnt of a thing to drive on/in, so most people have bad reviews on it!
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Post by 88pajero »

I think you'll find most of the time when people say that a mud terrain is "good/except for mud" is because they have been compared to the likes of extreme trekkers etc which are insane in mud.

I say it depends on what you version of mud is ie, a wet track with slippery sections decent rutts etc or bog holes that anything with smaller than 35 inch tyres get hung up on.

Most road friendly mud terrains seem to do their job well, its just a case of getting the right tyre pressure.

I currently use b f goodrich mud terrain (km2's) and I love them. They handle greasy tracks and a bit of slop well, they crawl in and out of wet rutts good too.
But in deep sloppy comp style bog holes they wont be anywhere near as good as boggers etc, but I have no intention of turning my rig into a comp truck so the normal muddies suit me and my truck fine.

So as i said, i suppose it depends on what your version of mud is.

Hope that makes some sort of sense :)
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Post by alien »

simex et's are made for it.... i'm running them on my zuk and i can idle in low 1st through rutted sloppy mud holes now where before on cooper stts i'd be in 3rd low revving the ass off it...
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Re: Best Mud Terrain... FOR MUD

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HTH wrote:Keep in mind i dont want to blow the bank.
what is your budget... then people can give ideas.
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Re: Best Mud Terrain... FOR MUD

Post by Hobie18 »

bogged wrote:
HTH wrote:Keep in mind i dont want to blow the bank.
what is your budget... then people can give ideas.
And what size - as not all tyres are available in all sizes eg you can't get Maxxis Trepadors in a 33
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Post by HTH »

35inch on 15x8rims, for a hilux.

around $1500 for 4. but willing to streach the budget for something i really like.

Oh and do maxxis still make mudzillas?

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Post by Struth »

That's a very small budget if you want a new set.

I enjoyed radial claws for some time and still rate them highly, but they do have issues in mud and side slopes when compared to an extreme, either simex or silverstone, I have seen extremes absolutely crap all over my claws, but that was in environments where the name says it all, extreme angles in very slippery mud/clay.

It's hard for anyone to recommend a tire to you, but for serious mud work I recommend extremes, for normal driving off road where big revs with twin locks and big angles don't come into play then radial muddies will suffice.

But not all radial muddies are equal, some simply have better on road manners or better wear properties and may be recommended on these basis alone.

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Post by grimbo »

what sort of mud? Deep bottomless goo or slippery covering on hills?

probably a Simex or a Swamper or Silverstone would be the go but legally I don't think you'll be able to run them.

Or if you can find them Firestone SATS in a 900x16 which are a much superior mud only tyre. Had them on my Sierra and they outperformed the Swampers i ran afterwards.
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Post by Guy »

for out and out mud .. bogger, swamper, simex, silvertsone .. or grimbos old SAT's ...

All the above will suck bad on the blacktop .. some more than others.

I loved my swampers mud ability, but found in some (offroad) conditions I liked my BF Muddies better (hard packed slightly greasy stuff the extra biting edges of the BF's climbed in spots the swampers would dig)

Second hand swampers or comp style tyres are what you really want I would say.
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Post by HTH »

Thanks to everyone for your input.
but i think i better clarify exactly what im after.

definately not after a comp style tyre i.e swampers or anything like that,
as the car will be daily'd.

i was just wondering if out of the medium price range/less agressive M/T
there was a tyre that out preformed the others in mud.

mainly because where i live it rains almost every week.

Sorry i didnt clarify earlier, and thank again
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Post by SIM79 »

HTH wrote: Oh and do maxxis still make mudzillas?
Yes they do but its a bias tyre. The Maxxis Tepador radial is another option, the 35s that I have seen had a very open and deep tread pattern that should clean well.
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Post by SCANAS »

bfg $416 for that size... Just bought my second set in 5 years
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Post by thehanko »

HTH wrote:mainly because where i live it rains almost every week.
quit your bragging :cry:

They all work fairly well especially compared to at of ht's. I use maxxis buckshots on my lux and am happy with the mix of ability for road use and offroad, bit noisey but thats to be expected and they are not that loud. I am suprised by their grip on wet bitchumen, better that expected.

nankangs seem to get good reviews and are stupid cheap like $650 a set for new ones on ebay.
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Post by grimbo »

HTH wrote:Thanks to everyone for your input.
but i think i better clarify exactly what im after.

definately not after a comp style tyre i.e swampers or anything like that,
as the car will be daily'd.

i was just wondering if out of the medium price range/less agressive M/T
there was a tyre that out preformed the others in mud.

mainly because where i live it rains almost every week.

Sorry i didnt clarify earlier, and thank again
so you are after a less aggressive mud terrain that performs better in the mud. What does that mean? You either have an aggressive mud terrain that performs well in the mud or a less agressive one that doesn't.

I've got the Nankang Mudstars in a 33 and they were $170 ea brand new and they perform well enough for me on my GU as a daily driver and in mud, snow and sand.

Have you read any of the tyre topics on a whole range of different tyres because the answer would be in there.
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Post by alien »

i run simex ETs on the road as a daily with no issues... sure theyre noisy and dont corner well, but they do grip better on wet road than my STT's did!
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Post by HTH »

i run simex ETs on the road as a daily with no issues... sure theyre noisy and dont corner well, but they do grip better on wet road than my STT's did!
how much a corner?

can ppl give me the price they payed for there 35's, buckshot's, BFG's, Wranglers.. what ever you bought give me a price. cheers
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Post by alien »

got mine from Ryano at fourbies - but theyre 31's so price wouldnt compare... theyre not cheap, but not bank breakers either. I'd pm him for a true price.
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Post by 4RUNNER_01 »

I have maxxis bighorns 35's got em for $300 a corner and they handle the mud fairly well dont compare to the simex ET2 i had before, but their a good all-rounder and preform well in the mud if your on a budget.
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Post by Tiny »

grimbo wrote:
HTH wrote:Thanks to everyone for your input.
but i think i better clarify exactly what im after.

definately not after a comp style tyre i.e swampers or anything like that,
as the car will be daily'd.

i was just wondering if out of the medium price range/less agressive M/T
there was a tyre that out preformed the others in mud.

mainly because where i live it rains almost every week.

Sorry i didnt clarify earlier, and thank again
so you are after a less aggressive mud terrain that performs better in the mud. What does that mean? You either have an aggressive mud terrain that performs well in the mud or a less agressive one that doesn't.

I've got the Nankang Mudstars in a 33 and they were $170 ea brand new and they perform well enough for me on my GU as a daily driver and in mud, snow and sand.

Have you read any of the tyre topics on a whole range of different tyres because the answer would be in there.
no, he after the most aggressive mud tyre that is still an ok road tyre :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Post by FRLS4B »

37" maxxis trepadors, not OVERLY expensive, i think 500 a tyre if you shop around :twisted:
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Post by Tiny »

FRLS4B wrote:37" maxxis trepadors, not OVERLY expensive, i think 500 a tyre if you shop around :twisted:
kiss getting stuck goodbye, you have to pretty much bolt a car down with these puppies on to get stuck :cool:
not really road friendly though
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Post by Bluefreak »

Do you actually have room for 35's on the hilux...??? Mate with 3" susp and 1.5" body lift can just fit 34's (read 33" Silverstone actually measuring 34")
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Post by craz3d »

Bluefreak wrote:Do you actually have room for 35's on the hilux...??? Mate with 3" susp and 1.5" body lift can just fit 34's (read 33" Silverstone actually measuring 34")
you can fit 35's with no lift if you hack the guards away.
but really 2-3" of susp lift and moving the diff forward in the front is all you need along with a little loving of the guards :P
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Post by HTH »

ive already "loved the guards"and will b doing Ruff Asap,
so yes plenty of room for the 35's.

i've done all the prep work.
no, he after the most aggressive mud tyre that is still an ok road tyre
couldnt have said it better myself. thank u.

anyone got a price on mudzillas? like the idea of 13.5 wide :P
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Post by unsub »

I got a set of 5 33" Nankang Mudstars about a month ago for $1200 fitted, balanced and with an alignment. They are an exact copy of Maxxis Buckshots. I have driven them on mud, sand, dirt and normal road use and they have performed great on all surfaces so far.

I got them to replace a set of Dick Cepeks and surprisingly enough the Mudstars are no noisier than the Cepeks even though the Cepeks are an AT and the Mudstars are an MT.
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Post by SIM79 »

HTH wrote:
anyone got a price on mudzillas? like the idea of 13.5 wide :P
HTH wrote:
definately not after a comp style tyre i.e swampers or anything like that,
as the car will be daily'd.
You said you DON"T WANT A COMP STYLE tyre. Mudzillas are BIAS tyres, they aren't RADIALS!
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You said you DON"T WANT A COMP STYLE tyre. Mudzillas are BIAS tyres, they aren't RADIALS
humar me, someone got a price on 35's?
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HTH wrote:
You said you DON"T WANT A COMP STYLE tyre. Mudzillas are BIAS tyres, they aren't RADIALS
humar me, someone got a price on 35's?
Rayno was selling them for $325ea at his sale at Fourbies but thats finished now so the price might be higher.
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