Hilux Body onto Patrol, LandRover, Toyota chassis?

Post by **collins110** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:38 pm

im looking into getting a stronger base chassis for my lux body.. a guy suggested the 80 series land cruiser or the range rover however range rovers are bad on the coils and i have been finding it hard to find a cheep 80 series...is there any other chassis i could use?

Post by **dobbo** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:48 pm

what do you mean bad on the coils?

Post by **def90** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:54 pm

dobbo wrote:what do you mean bad on the coils?

x2?

since they were the 1st on coils?

Post by **collins110** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:55 pm

dobbo wrote:what do you mean bad on the coils?

they roll around on the road... take a corner and the whole thing will lean... maybe good on a bike but not a 4wd

Post by **alien** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:03 pm

roll stiffness is a matter of shocks and sway bars etc... coils are superior to leaves when set up correctly as you usually will gain better approach and departure angles.

Post by **collins110** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:08 pm

alien wrote:roll stiffness is a matter of shocks and sway bars etc... coils are superior to leaves when set up correctly as you usually will gain better approach and departure angles.

so do you think that the range rover chassis would be just as good as the 80 series?

Post by **dobbo** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:21 pm

collins110 wrote: so do you think that the range rover chassis would be just as good as the 80 series?

For what? Wank value, off road ability, on road handling, strength?

Mounting a Toyo body on a Toyo chassis would probably be easier due to the posibilty of common parts and body mounts between the two vehicles.

Go look at the body mounts on an 80, and a rangie, see which one will be more adaptable to your needs.

Considering how many people have uted 80 series and rangies in the past I'd say this would be the easiest option available to you.

Remember whatever donor chassis you rebody it on thats what it legally becomes

Post by **collins110** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:38 pm

dobbo wrote:
collins110 wrote: so do you think that the range rover chassis would be just as good as the 80 series?

For what? Wank value, off road ability, on road handling, strength?

Mounting a Toyo body on a Toyo chassis would probably be easier due to the posibilty of common parts and body mounts between the two vehicles.

Go look at the body mounts on an 80, and a rangie, see which one will be more adaptable to your needs.

Considering how many people have uted 80 series and rangies in the past I'd say this would be the easiest option available to you.

Remember whatever donor chassis you rebody it on thats what it legally becomes

mainly for offroad ability and drive line strength... both 80 series and range rover will require engineering ... i wanted to stay with the lux body because i like the look better and it is lighter than the other bodies

Post by **dobbo** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:16 pm

collins110 wrote:
mainly for offroad ability and drive line strength... both 80 series and range rover will require engineering ... i wanted to stay with the lux body because i like the look better and it is lighter than the other bodies

someone used Range Rover and driveline strength in the same sentence

What is the weight of the bodies of all the vehicles?

Post by **collins110** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:22 pm

dobbo wrote:
collins110 wrote:
mainly for offroad ability and drive line strength... both 80 series and range rover will require engineering ... i wanted to stay with the lux body because i like the look better and it is lighter than the other bodies

someone used Range Rover and driveline strength in the same sentence

What is the weight of the bodies of all the vehicles?

stronger then a lux

Post by **bigbluemav** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:28 pm

dobbo wrote:
collins110 wrote: so do you think that the range rover chassis would be just as good as the 80 series?

For what? Wank value, off road ability, on road handling, strength?

Mounting a Toyo body on a Toyo chassis would probably be easier due to the posibilty of common parts and body mounts between the two vehicles.

Go look at the body mounts on an 80, and a rangie, see which one will be more adaptable to your needs.

Considering how many people have uted 80 series and rangies in the past I'd say this would be the easiest option available to you.

Remember whatever donor chassis you rebody it on thats what it legally becomes

Dude, coming from someone who has no PRACTICAL experience with engineering feats of this magnitude, but a keen observer of well built and engineered custom 4b's, it wouldn't matter if it was a yota or a skoda, if the wheel base of the chassis matches the 'lux body, fill yer boots!

I guy I used to compete against in Tough Tracks put a Navara single cab on a patrol chassis (very nice!!). Chris, he's on this board but I can't recall his handle.

BUT think about the motor, and gear box mounts, electrical system aqnd a myriad of other things that I haven't mentioned (that other people will add!!).

Dude, if you want a coil spring 4b, just buy an 80. When you have the time and oney, make it a project in your shed and do if you really want to, but be prepared for more headaches than it's really worth.

Post by **dobbo** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:28 pm

OK if you say so

Post by **bigbluemav** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:43 pm

dobbo wrote:OK if you say so

SOrry dude, I agree with you, I put a "would" when I put a "wouldn't"

(edited it and fixed it so it makes sense now!!)

I was just trying to put a bit of meat on the "wank value" argument!!

Post by **chimpboy** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:23 pm

I agree with those suggesting that you take a good look at some 80 or Rangie ute conversions and weigh them up as possibilities. You might still want to do the lux conversion but you might find that on balance there's less stuffing around this way.

Post by **Loanrangie** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:40 pm

collins110 wrote:
dobbo wrote:
collins110 wrote: so do you think that the range rover chassis would be just as good as the 80 series?

For what? Wank value, off road ability, on road handling, strength?

Mounting a Toyo body on a Toyo chassis would probably be easier due to the posibilty of common parts and body mounts between the two vehicles.

Go look at the body mounts on an 80, and a rangie, see which one will be more adaptable to your needs.

Considering how many people have uted 80 series and rangies in the past I'd say this would be the easiest option available to you.

Remember whatever donor chassis you rebody it on thats what it legally becomes
mainly for offroad ability and drive line strength... both 80 series and range rover will require engineering ... i wanted to stay with the lux body because i like the look better and it is lighter than the other bodies

Range rover chassis/ suspension with 80 series/ gq diffs will give best of both. Landrover chassis's are narrower and more rigid while jap chassis's are wider and flex more. I have seen holden 1 tonner cabs on rangie chassis' and even zook bodies. Rangie will provide better offroad flex due to the rear A frame setup and will be cheaper to source in the first place, place the shorter wheelbase is ideal for an offroader.

Post by **6.5 rangie** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:32 pm

collins110 wrote:
dobbo wrote:what do you mean bad on the coils?
they roll around on the road... take a corner and the whole thing will lean... maybe good on a bike but not a 4wd

good one

obviously never been in a rangie before

Post by **dobbo** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:24 pm

6.5 rangie wrote:
collins110 wrote:
dobbo wrote:what do you mean bad on the coils?
they roll around on the road... take a corner and the whole thing will lean... maybe good on a bike but not a 4wd
good one obviously never been in a rangie before

or know that they were originally designed for

Post by **Slunnie** » Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:28 pm

I'll throw a spanner in the works.

Check out a Defender 110" chassis. It'll be close to a Hilux than a RRC or LC. It'll also be way stronger due to the chassis sections used and probably provide more out of the box chassis clearance. The rear axle is very similar to a Dana60 and can be brought up to strength. The front axle can be stuffed with a Landcruiser front diff and Longfield axles and CV's.

Post by **purplebus** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:06 am

check out the superior all terrain and scenic rim sites. 75 series on gq chassis and gu diffs, comm v6 and auto. keith, top bloke, great driver great truck. awesome combo and almost unbeatable for this stuff.

other truck. check out cruiser pk or mud bulls sites. from what i have seen looks like about 85 hilux white xtra cab body on gq chassis,v8, i think his name is miles?. awesome combo and driver. can be done.

Post by **GOT MUD** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:21 am

purplebus wrote:check out the superior all terrain and scenic rim sites. 75 series on gq chassis and gu diffs, comm v6 and auto. keith, top bloke, great driver great truck. awesome combo and almost unbeatable for this stuff.

other truck. check out cruiser pk or mud bulls sites. from what i have seen looks like about 85 hilux white xtra cab body on gq chassis,v8, i think his name is miles?. awesome combo and driver. can be done.

hey Shane i thought Keith truck is a bundera on gq with gu not a 75 i might be wrong though actually it woundnt matter i surppose mounts would still be the same

Post by **pigletracing** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:10 am

IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU ARE GOING FOR.
i wanted stregnth, lighter weight than most of my competitors,& power.
# CHASSIS.. I CHOSE A FOURRUNNER/SURF CHASSIS (STRONG BUT LIGHTER THAN NISSAN)
# RUNNING GEAR =GU PATROL FRONT DIFF. GQ REAR DIFF(for a skinnier offset on tight corners)
# MOTOR V6 COMMY + AUTO TO LUX TRANNY,TO TWIN DOUBLE CARDINAL JOINTED DRIVE SHAFTS.
# BODY's FIRST BODY WAS A DAIHATSU SCAT 2ND WAS A FEROZA CUT INTO AN EXTRA CAB (they wanted to much $$$ for LUX cabs)

when I had the all the chasis running gear ,motor,auto ect ect in so it was a full rolling chassis I then worried about the cab, I suspended it above the chassis on a block & pully, then rolled the chasssi to where I wanted it.
I moved the body back further than normal (to give better approach angle) & then welded on new body mounts (cut down RHS) then bolted it on. then made a tray, then put radiator & coolers on the tray.

cheers piglet

Post by **ethann** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:56 am

Yeah Range Rover and strength shouldn't be used in the same sentence.
Probably work out cheaper in the long run to get an 80 or a poorol.
80's are nice and are heaps comfy but heaps dearer.
Every man and his dogs had a gq, Parts are easy, And when you doing gnarly 4x4ing, thats what you want. Easy to get parts.

Post by **crankycruiser** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:18 am

one of the boys in tassie built this up a few years ago,

GQ chassis and running gear
Supercharged lexus v8
37's

its now for sale again last i heard

Post by **dobbo** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:09 am

ethann wrote:Yeah Range Rover and strength shouldn't be used in the same sentence.
Probably work out cheaper in the long run to get an 80 or a poorol.
80's are nice and are heaps comfy but heaps dearer.
Every man and his dogs had a gq, Parts are easy, And when you doing gnarly 4x4ing, thats what you want. Easy to get parts.

You must be right, after all I see in your signature you have more lift than John Holmes on Viagra whilst flying a handglider.

Post by **def90** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:15 am

collins110 wrote:
dobbo wrote:what do you mean bad on the coils?
they roll around on the road... take a corner and the whole thing will lean... maybe good on a bike but not a 4wd

bwahaaahhaaaahahaaahahahahahaha........

you're funny.

Post by **bogged** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:33 am

So what exactly is wrong with your "base" chassis now?? Im not really understanding the problem.

Theres Lux's in Tuff Truck, and 100's in comps around the place not having issues.. Check out Gut's in the members section..

Post by **ludacris** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:55 pm

Using a Patrol chasis would be best. Cheap, good running gear already, heaps around. Good Luck.

Post by **booflux** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:17 pm

Didnt you ask this exact same question the the other week??

Post by **macca81** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:24 pm

booflux wrote:Didnt you ask this exact same question the the other week??

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic193 ... highlight=

Post by **bogged** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:18 am

Why not buy an 80 series and wheel that instead.. would work out shit loads cheaper

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