Hi all, I am going to do a SAS on my shortie while its off the road due to a rollover, what I'm after is what sort of front axle is best to use. And how to set up the steering ETC. I wanna go up to a 4" lift.
I've had a look in here but can't find any pic's so if anyone has any helpfull info and pic's PLEASE forward them on.
While I'm at it I'm also going to lingthen the chassis about 300mm to a MWB with an extra cab exo cage and tube tray.
I'm hoping it'll look good when finished.
Thanks Jeff
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SWB SAS
Series 1 Disco 2 Door
33" Maxxis Mudders
35" Silverstone Extreme
2" Spring Lift
2" Body Lift
Warn HiMount Winch
33" Maxxis Mudders
35" Silverstone Extreme
2" Spring Lift
2" Body Lift
Warn HiMount Winch
i've been thinking about doing this for a while, i was lucky enough to find a set of bundera axles both with arb air lockers and all the suspension gear with them including the radius arm mounst off the chassis, for only $1800. apparently they are the most commom used because of they're width, i just need to just to flip the housing and then start putting it in but i just havent got around to it yet, Ryan
95 swb 3.0v6 paj, lifted,34 simex jt2, twin locked, custom sliders, manual hubs, hi-mount which, sas comin
95shorty wrote:i've been thinking about doing this for a while, i was lucky enough to find a set of bundera axles both with arb air lockers and all the suspension gear with them including the radius arm mounst off the chassis, for only $1800. apparently they are the most commom used because of they're width, i just need to just to flip the housing and then start putting it in but i just havent got around to it yet, Ryan
dont bunderas have an offset rear pumpkin? wont you have to centre that to put it in the rear, or are you only using the front diff?
big wheel:
heres a link to a full SAS.
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic246 ... ght=jabber
i have also almost done one, got it drivable, but not happy with a couple of things, didnt measure the travel correctly, and it doesnt compress enough so when i return from canada im going to redo the hock mounts.
but i used a prado/bundera steering box and what is effectivly a hilux housing with the IFS hub swap to get the required width, and an engineer to swap the pumpkin to the other side.
i also know of one jtop back home (NZ) with a SAS that was completed and certed for road use that used prado stuff. actually think it used springs and shocks and all.
my build up is in my sig line, but be warned, i made mistakes, so its only a rough guide.
good luck with the build.
Sam
93 jtop pajero, SAS'd (almost)... http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=125224
dont bunderas have an offset rear pumpkin? wont you have to centre that to put it in the rear, or are you only using the front diff?
nah mate im only going to flip and use the front housing, not sure what ill do with the back diff yet but it came as part of the package,
nah mate im only going to flip and use the front housing, not sure what ill do with the back diff yet but it came as part of the package,
95 swb 3.0v6 paj, lifted,34 simex jt2, twin locked, custom sliders, manual hubs, hi-mount which, sas comin
if it has an ARB in it aswell, get a surf rear housing and put it in that then put that in the rear? if the spline count is the same, you would get a smaller pumpkin and high pinion for better d/s angle.95shorty wrote:dont bunderas have an offset rear pumpkin? wont you have to centre that to put it in the rear, or are you only using the front diff?
nah mate im only going to flip and use the front housing, not sure what ill do with the back diff yet but it came as part of the package,
anywho.. back on topic.. sorry for the thread jack.
Sam
93 jtop pajero, SAS'd (almost)... http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=125224
big wheel:
heres a link to a full SAS.
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic246 ... ght=jabber
i have also almost done one, got it drivable, but not happy with a couple of things, didnt measure the travel correctly, and it doesnt compress enough so when i return from canada im going to redo the hock mounts.
but i used a prado/bundera steering box and what is effectivly a hilux housing with the IFS hub swap to get the required width, and an engineer to swap the pumpkin to the other side.
i also know of one jtop back home (NZ) with a SAS that was completed and certed for road use that used prado stuff. actually think it used springs and shocks and all.
my build up is in my sig line, but be warned, i made mistakes, so its only a rough guide.
good luck with the build.
Sam[/quote]
Yeah had a look but there's no pics, I had all the pics on my old pc before it crashed the big 1
And how did you go with the steering geom???
Jeff
heres a link to a full SAS.
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic246 ... ght=jabber
i have also almost done one, got it drivable, but not happy with a couple of things, didnt measure the travel correctly, and it doesnt compress enough so when i return from canada im going to redo the hock mounts.
but i used a prado/bundera steering box and what is effectivly a hilux housing with the IFS hub swap to get the required width, and an engineer to swap the pumpkin to the other side.
i also know of one jtop back home (NZ) with a SAS that was completed and certed for road use that used prado stuff. actually think it used springs and shocks and all.
my build up is in my sig line, but be warned, i made mistakes, so its only a rough guide.
good luck with the build.
Sam[/quote]
Yeah had a look but there's no pics, I had all the pics on my old pc before it crashed the big 1
And how did you go with the steering geom???
Jeff
Series 1 Disco 2 Door
33" Maxxis Mudders
35" Silverstone Extreme
2" Spring Lift
2" Body Lift
Warn HiMount Winch
33" Maxxis Mudders
35" Silverstone Extreme
2" Spring Lift
2" Body Lift
Warn HiMount Winch
yip it is. aparently they are the same width as a pajero housing.vk7ybi wrote:Whats the width of a surf housing compared to hilux? I guess the surf is wider to match the IFS?
steering geom? how do you mean?
we sat the diff in situ on axle stands in the place we wanted and measured the castor angle at bout 3deg from memory, but with the extra height from the miscalculated shock mounts, its not at the correct angle at the moment.
try searching SAS in the toyota section, theres heaps of surfs around and the principle is the same.
you could always do the same as NJV6 aswell.. get afront half of a bundera chassis and weld combine the two chassis'. look up CHOP in mitsi section.
bitsimissin will be bound to still have the photos on his comp somewhere, otherwise i have them on a disc somewhere, klrevo now has the jabber and it appears he is selling it atm on here. buying that would be the best idea. alot of time and development has gone into that wagon.
93 jtop pajero, SAS'd (almost)... http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=125224
Be aware that Bundera axles are not the same length as Hilux ones.
They are not interchangeable (Bundy axles are very hard to find).
Your better off using a Hilux housing with the 80 Cruiser or Bundera high pinion centres (only difference is the 80 runs 50mm side bearings compared to 45mm) Hilux axles are much easier to find and if you go hard you will break CV's and most likely take the axle out by chewing up the spline.
If ever I was doing this again I would definitely go 80 Series axles front and rear for the extra wheel track (about 1.5" either side) for better stability. I would also go cryo or chrome moly axles/CV's and set the diffs up with solid spacers with ARB lockers - this will be plenty strong to run at least 36"s without any issues unless you drive like total spazmo.
You gain bigger brakes, larger CV's for the front.
You gain full floating rear.
You can still run Tojo's 4.88's or 5.29's.
The only downside is you have to run 16" rims to clear the larger front brake calipers (no biggy IMHO).
I retained the Paj steering box and we resplined a 60 Series Cruiser pitman arm there is enough meat to broach out the spline to match the Paj shaft - worked well.
They are not interchangeable (Bundy axles are very hard to find).
Your better off using a Hilux housing with the 80 Cruiser or Bundera high pinion centres (only difference is the 80 runs 50mm side bearings compared to 45mm) Hilux axles are much easier to find and if you go hard you will break CV's and most likely take the axle out by chewing up the spline.
If ever I was doing this again I would definitely go 80 Series axles front and rear for the extra wheel track (about 1.5" either side) for better stability. I would also go cryo or chrome moly axles/CV's and set the diffs up with solid spacers with ARB lockers - this will be plenty strong to run at least 36"s without any issues unless you drive like total spazmo.
You gain bigger brakes, larger CV's for the front.
You gain full floating rear.
You can still run Tojo's 4.88's or 5.29's.
The only downside is you have to run 16" rims to clear the larger front brake calipers (no biggy IMHO).
I retained the Paj steering box and we resplined a 60 Series Cruiser pitman arm there is enough meat to broach out the spline to match the Paj shaft - worked well.
I just luv my "clacker Jabber"
apparently the earlier model hilux diff housings are the same width as the bundera ones, but the diff centre is slightly more offset to the right than the bundera one, ive got one in the shed and have just started cutting it up ready to flip it. so it should match the rear diff 
95 swb 3.0v6 paj, lifted,34 simex jt2, twin locked, custom sliders, manual hubs, hi-mount which, sas comin
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