AUSSIE ROCK RACE - 2011 - Pics page 6&7

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No offence but for me its getting further from the original idea, the idea of driver changes to me is ridiculous, if your buggy isnt comfortable enough stiff $hit. Sacrifice some ability for comfort, I see it the same as the two track idea.

Keep it simple not difficult, I understand insurance company demands and saftey has to be first. But I think saying we want this to be the hardest event in Oz, we want buggies against trucks mix of speed and crawling, its going to be a race to attrition.

Then suddenly its if your car isnt as capable you get to do an easier track and if your buggy is too uncomfortable you can change drivers. It makes no sense?

If you get a capable buggy and a team of drivers like Ruff, Sam, beebee or a team of other top level drivers imo anyway, put them in a capable buggy and change drivers to keep them fresh then imo the rest of us might as well stay at home.

The only chance some of us have of beating one of these guys would be if they lose concentration after a few hours and break something. If your going to take that out of the equation then do away with the 8 hour idea and say first to do 5 laps wins.

Not trying to be a smartarse and its no secret I have NO 4x4 comp experience, but I am keen to have a crack at this one if my pos is complete in time. And if not as a spectator I would rather see an event without compromise.

For once i almost totaly agrea with you.

If this is more than a 2 person team im out.

If we are going to open up easy lines when someone gets stuck im also out. The course needs to be set in stone. If you can not design a course to suit the entered vehicles then maybe you should re-concider attempting to run the "Hardest 4wd Event in the World".

Tony, you will have to drop into the shop so you can tell us what rules we can run so you can enter Seriously though I would love to hear your opinion because I know you have helped Sam a lot and run other events. I am sure you have much more to say.

Multiple DriversSo what happens if someone gets sick or if someone gets injured, a lot of rigs will need to winch at some point over the course so there has to be 2 people in most vehicles all the time.

The only time that we would move a Marshalls car is in the bottom creek section, if someone gets badly broken and there is no other way past. The rest of the track has multiple lines. I don't see this as a compromise but an improvement.

By the way, in a few weeks the course will be opened up and many people would have driven it so I don't think we need a pre run.

Shane

[RUFF]

Tony, you will have to drop into the shop so you can tell us what rules we can run so you can enter

In all seriousness its a pretty good chance i wont have put a rig back together to enter anyway. Im just not that excited So i wouldnt change anything on my account.

[RUFF]

Multiple DriversSo what happens if someone gets sick or if someone gets injured, a lot of rigs will need to winch at some point over the course so there has to be 2 people in most vehicles all the time.

I race 12 and 24hr MTB endurance races. You get sick or hurt and you pull out. I dont see this event as any different.

And again i dont have a problem with 2 people in a team. Or that either the driver or navigator can drive. I have a problem with Multiple drivers and navigators in a so called endurance race.

[RUFF]

By the way, in a few weeks the course will be opened up and many people would have driven it so I don't think we need a pre run.

Shane

One or 2 people turning up to drive it is going to give you absolutly no insite into what you are going to be up against with 40 vehicles on the same track.

Ive ran and been involved in running many events and i cant even imagine the troubles your going to face. And i seriously think you guys are biting off way more than you can chew with this one.

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By the way, in a few weeks the course will be opened up and many people would have driven it so I don't think we need a pre run.

Shane

One or 2 people turning up to drive it is going to give you absolutly no insite into what you are going to be up against with 40 vehicles on the same track.

Ive ran and been involved in running many events and i cant even imagine the troubles your going to face. And i seriously think you guys are biting off way more than you can chew with this one.

Then what are you suggesting? That we should put it off. We cannot to a pre run for this sort of thing without investing a lot of money because of insurances, ambulances, police officers bla bla bla. This event is the pre run and the race.

At the end of the day, if the track gets blocked due to multiple breakages it is part of racing and everyone would have to wait to get past.

Shane

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Tony, you will have to drop into the shop so you can tell us what rules we can run so you can enter

In all seriousness its a pretty good chance i wont have put a rig back together to enter anyway. Im just not that excited So i wouldnt change anything on my account.

I was just having a dig however I seriously would love to hear your wisdom. Please send us a pm with your phone number if you like so I can organise a time to come and see you.

If you can't imagine any problems then this is a good thing but I suspect you are imagining something.

King of the Hammers are going through some pretty rough terrain with the same concept. If someone gets stuck in front of you, find a way past or wait. It has worked for them and it is the biggest off road event in the world and it only has officially been run twice. The 1st one was 13 guys. They still had no idea if it would work but it did and it will work here too.

Shane

[dave]

I think you are mistaken if you think a full bodied rig has an advantage in the speed section. Milo you can go fast between the rocks

I don't care who drives, at the end of the day we are going to have a lot of fun. I don't think multiple drivers are going to be a massive advantage to any team because the 2nd driver won't be as good as the 1st and the 3rd driver won't be as good as the 2nd.

If OPW comes up to race I won't expect him to be in the vehicle the full time because he has a bad back.

Fair enough Shane like I said its your call but I think I will wait and see a full set of rules before I commit to anything.

Thats a load of $hit if pete has a bad back and cant sit in the car for that long to bad, he can stop at a pit area get out and have a break when his sissy back stops hearting he can get back in and continue. F*ck i thought this was going to be a hard race because of the time involved but instead your give people an easy out. Should be 1 Driver 1 Navi thats it.

[harrisbm]

This is set in stone, 2 drivers like the V8's navi or driver. There are no easy lines as I would expect most cars attempting to do the most laps would try the easy hard line first. If someone gets stuck the harder line would need to be driven or you can wait, that the drivers call. (the purpose is most laps so taking on the hardest lines might be fun for spectators but you won't win the race.

The track is set in stone as far as the rocks go. We are trying to cater for spectators so this might mean a dog leg as today the insurance company deemed one of the area's viewing the speed section to dagerous for spectators. Please be bare with us as safety is the most important issues.

There are open speed sections through the creek but the full throttle area needs to be fine tuned. I'm thinking of Rhett when designing this section as he has NOS.

Everyone with the exception of Rolly and 11evl seem to think the hole park is easy drivable. We'll see.
I will be making the track drivable as we want to see multiple laps not just a parking lot at one obsticle.
I have recieved a comment the lower creek run can be driven in 3-4 minutes. I look forward to seeing it.

The final rules will be posted by the end of the month when they are finished. Keep the opinions coming. The people making the rules are Me final say, Rolly, 11evl and another two who will be not named.

Shane has a say like the rest of you but is not part of making the rules. Shane is a great supporter and the major sponsor. He has invested a lot of money in the event already. If you would like to match Shanes finacial contribution please let us know.

Milo you will need to fix your body roll and overhang on the car as the current track will see your car like mine flop over at a number of spots. I've ripped mine apart and are building it for this type of event. 75 series standard front length will not be competitive. You can drive it but will be slow.
How's the exo cage?

We are focusing on the spectator side of the event at the moment as we have confirmed we'll be going to the 4x4 show. We'll be building an 4wd rc track modeling the enduro event hopefully. We have a 100sqm stand and will be advertising the event to hopefully the expected crowd of 30-36k people.

[rockcrawler31]

really? are the cross slopes going to be that bad? I don't expect to be competitive, even from what i've seen from the entrant list so far, particularly with a PTO winch. If i finish i'll be happy. To be honest i'm more interested in driving FAST hence my comments about having areas where i can open it up. If i manage to get round the course, have a blast, not do too much damage and not hold anyone up too badly, and best of all provide a spectacle then my work here is done now

The exo will be going in end of march'ish and i will be doing a couple of training runs with Luke to sort out some team skills and fine tune proceedures. i may even come for a bit of a pre run to see if i'm pulling myself by entering. I'm not going to cut the front off my car for one event so i will have to adapt and overcome or fail. simple as that.

I'm with Ruff on this with the multiple driver thing. Yes it would be nice to have a name like Pete from OPW there but if you can't go the distance for health reasons then sooner or later you need to take a deep look at what you are doing and make the hard decisions. I've got two totally destroyed discs in my back, on the days i have competed in your events i have paid for it the day after. On this event i will be popping anti inflammatories like tic tacs but be damned if i'm going to trust anyone other than my navi drive the devil. Sooner or later i will have to bow out of hard 4wd'ing, but such is the nature of the human condition. I've said it before - an endurance race is as enduring for the driver as for the vehicle. edit: but it sounds to me like that is what you have ruled anyway. Driver and navi team only

To be honest i don't think you need to make the track super hard. The spectacle for the crowd will be a bunch of trucks going flat knacker and sometimes going tits up. Almost anyone can drive something hard given enough time, but add a clock, fatigue, competitors, speed and spectators and even moderate tracks are going to bring attrition.

[harrisbm]

Thankyou to all those who have have given their opinions. As this event will happen due to the amount of interest, I would request the author of this thread to lock it or remove it.

Scenic Rim Adventure Park will be setting up a business/events plan. If anyone would like to be involved please contact me on brenden@tfmconsulting.com.au

Scenic Rim Adventure Park will be posting the rules of the event in early Feburary on our website ,and formally launching the event at the 4x4 show.

The park is open for all to come and 4wd the lower creek track. The upper 3 creek tracks have not been formally marked so can be walked only.

Once again thankyou to all those who have posted.

Regards
Brenden

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This is set in stone, 2 drivers like the V8's navi or driver. There are no easy lines as I would expect most cars attempting to do the most laps would try the easy hard line first. If someone gets stuck the harder line would need to be driven or you can wait, that the drivers call. (the purpose is most laps so taking on the hardest lines might be fun for spectators but you won't win the race.

Ok, I must have heard wrong when we were talking about it today.

Shane

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Thankyou to all those who have have given their opinions. As this event will happen due to the amount of interest, I would request the author of this thread to lock it or remove it.

Regards
Brenden

Once this is locked we can then start another thread without all the rules chit chat we have been going on with so it does look more professional. (Either that or re-open the other thread that got locked. This can only be done by a moderator)

I personally love all the feedback because I believe it does help fine tune the rules. Thank you everybody for their contribution.

Yeah I wish I made the rules. If I had my way it would be just like the Griffiths King of the Hammers, I wouldn't change a thing, I love that race. My wife is getting sick of 1 and 2 though, I can't wait for the 3rd DVD to come out. But what is more important to me is getting this race actually happening.

I really want to thank Brenden and his family for allowing this race to happen because I can just about guarantee you that he won't be making a cent out of this event, even if it is a great success. They have invested way more money in the regular Suspension Stuff challenge then what they get back at the gate also. Hopefully in the years to come though, they will be able to start making a profit because we wouldnt want to lose the closest park to Brisbane.

Cheers.
Shane

[RUFF]

I dont see the sence in locking this and starting a new thread. What is this going to achieve? The same questions are going to be asked. The same discussion will continue.

Or are you now at a point where you want no input into this event from competitors or spectators?

[BEEPJEEP]

I have started a new thread because this one is getting too long.

EDIT: It got locked

Yes and we went to the other thread and got our head "BITTEN OFF"

[BEEPJEEP]

Thankyou to all those who have have given their opinions. As this event will happen due to the amount of interest, I would request the author of this thread to lock it or remove it.

Scenic Rim Adventure Park will be setting up a business/events plan. If anyone would like to be involved please contact me on brenden@tfmconsulting.com.au

Scenic Rim Adventure Park will be posting the rules of the event in early Feburary on our website ,and formally launching the event at the 4x4 show.

The park is open for all to come and 4wd the lower creek track. The upper 3 creek tracks have not been formally marked so can be walked only.

Once again thankyou to all those who have posted.

Regards
Brenden

And brendon it would be nice if you could of answered the questions sent to you via the "senic rim adventure park" in the past. I appreciate very much what you are doing but if your too busy then maybe you need some1 to help with the questions. There is an un-answered question from another member regarding next weekend help!! i'm also interested helping with a clean up so what do we bring and what time?? i'm the first always to lend a hand. Thanx brendon.

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Thankyou to all those who have have given their opinions. As this event will happen due to the amount of interest, I would request the author of this thread to lock it or remove it.

Scenic Rim Adventure Park will be setting up a business/events plan. If anyone would like to be involved please contact me on brenden@tfmconsulting.com.au

Scenic Rim Adventure Park will be posting the rules of the event in early Feburary on our website ,and formally launching the event at the 4x4 show.

The park is open for all to come and 4wd the lower creek track. The upper 3 creek tracks have not been formally marked so can be walked only.

Once again thankyou to all those who have posted.

Regards
Brenden

And brendon it would be nice if you could of answered the questions sent to you via the "senic rim adventure park" in the past. I appreciate very much what you are doing but if your too busy then maybe you need some1 to help with the questions. There is an un-answered question from another member regarding next weekend help!! i'm also interested helping with a clean up so what do we bring and what time?? i'm the first always to lend a hand. Thanx brendon.

I thought I answered this question, sorry about that. I know I started answering it. At the moment he is trying to finish his 75 Series before he gets shot by the wife.

This is why I keep answering these questions, his lack of time. I did speak to Brenden about this question and this is what he said.

Spectators won't have to walk far to view the action, he said about 100m.

However Brenden will organize a shuttle 4WD to take people back forth to the other spectator spot for a small fee. That's if they don't want to walk.

Cheers
Shane

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About the next weekend help, we talked about it but not specifically.

I would suggest that he would accept every bit of help that is on offer but I will let him confirm this.

[Micka]

And keep in mind that KOH is not 2 races old. It's been building over probably 10 years, so don't expect 90 cars for your first one. I would imagine that a field of about 10 would be achievable and realistic.

Its 3 races old and maybe another year in the planning. Before that it was just a crazy idea running around in Dave Coles head.

I also think a smaller field of selected vehicles running the first event would be a much better idea. That way you work out if its possible befpore you try and take on a heap of sponsors that will never return because you couldnt pull the first event off with so many rigs and unknown problems that will arise.

Even KOH had a pre run on there event that was Invite only (no media no sponsors) and that is where the OG13 life time automatic entrants come from in KOH.

Yeah that's what I meant by building over 10 years. As you know these guys have been wheeling it that area for ages and although the actual concept wasn't realised until 3-4 years ago, I'm sure that the roots of KOH were established in the early days of just racing each other to the rocks and hurrying back to crack a beer.

[WICKED]

This is set in stone, 2 drivers like the V8's navi or driver.

Is that 2 drivers (Driver and Navi) or 2 Teams of drivers (2xdrivers 2xnavi's)

This thread is VERY confusing...

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This is set in stone, 2 drivers like the V8's navi or driver.

Is that 2 drivers (Driver and Navi) or 2 Teams of drivers (2xdrivers 2xnavi's)

This thread is VERY confusing...

Like the V8's

The very confusing part is probably one of the reasons why Brenden wants this thread locked.

I have been trying to answer the questions because of Brenden not being available. It is my concept but not my Park and not my insurance.

Shane

[WICKED]

This is set in stone, 2 drivers like the V8's navi or driver.

Is that 2 drivers (Driver and Navi) or 2 Teams of drivers (2xdrivers 2xnavi's)

This thread is VERY confusing...

Like the V8's

The very confusing part is probably one of the reasons why Brenden wants this thread locked.

I have been trying to answer the questions because of Brenden not being available. It is my concept but not my Park and not my insurance.

Shane

The V8's dont have Navis! So how can it be "Like the V8's"???

[Suspension Stuff]

This is set in stone, 2 drivers like the V8's navi or driver.

Is that 2 drivers (Driver and Navi) or 2 Teams of drivers (2xdrivers 2xnavi's)

This thread is VERY confusing...

Like the V8's

The very confusing part is probably one of the reasons why Brenden wants this thread locked.

I have been trying to answer the questions because of Brenden not being available. It is my concept but not my Park and not my insurance.

Shane

The V8's dont have Navis! So how can it be "Like the V8's"???

Ok, just the 2 people in total.

[WICKED]

This is set in stone, 2 drivers like the V8's navi or driver.

Is that 2 drivers (Driver and Navi) or 2 Teams of drivers (2xdrivers 2xnavi's)

This thread is VERY confusing...

Like the V8's

The very confusing part is probably one of the reasons why Brenden wants this thread locked.

I have been trying to answer the questions because of Brenden not being available. It is my concept but not my Park and not my insurance.

Shane

The V8's dont have Navis! So how can it be "Like the V8's"???

Ok, just the 2 people in total.

That is to say the Driver(Owner) and his Chosen Navi can drive the car?
Not "Like the V8's" were another person with the sole purpose of driving comes out to drive? Meaning 2 Drivers and a Navi.

[Suspension Stuff]

I see where you are coming from now. The way I read it. The total driving team is made up of the driver and the Nav. You can swap seats but you cannot introduce a 3rd person into the vehicle or onto the track.

[WICKED]

Correct. That's if you trust your Nav enough to smash your 4WD in the rocks.

I'd trust my Navi and some mates BUT I'm paying for it (entry,breakages,fuel,etc) and not them so unless it's a "Need be" thing I wouldn't do it. And if it was a Compulsary driver change then I'd not enter.

[WICKED]

I see where you are coming from now. The way I read it. The total driving team is made up of the driver and the Nav. You can swap seats but you cannot introduce a 3rd person into the vehicle or onto the track.

You like editing your post's and are Very quick at it too! lol

Thats how you should have stated it from the start! No confusion.

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Yeah I would rather edit it then do post after post. (EDIT: Even though I have posted, post after post)

I also think most Nav's wouldn't really feel comfortable driving other people's rigs.

So far, are you planning on racing? I don't think I have you down as a maybe yet.

[WICKED]

Yeah I would rather edit it then do post after post. (EDIT: Even though I have posted, post after post)

I also think most Nav's wouldn't really feel comfortable driving other people's rigs.

So far, are you planning on racing? I don't think I have you down as a maybe yet.

I've flogged the crap out Scotts Car HEAPS

I highly doubt it. Who know's, see how I pull up from Tuff Truck.

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Yeah I would rather edit it then do post after post. (EDIT: Even though I have posted, post after post)

I also think most Nav's wouldn't really feel comfortable driving other people's rigs.

So far, are you planning on racing? I don't think I have you down as a maybe yet.

I've flogged the crap out Scotts Car HEAPS

I highly doubt it. Who know's, see how I pull up from Tuff Truck.

Isn't Scott your brother?

[WICKED]

Yeah I would rather edit it then do post after post. (EDIT: Even though I have posted, post after post)

I also think most Nav's wouldn't really feel comfortable driving other people's rigs.

So far, are you planning on racing? I don't think I have you down as a maybe yet.

I've flogged the crap out Scotts Car HEAPS

I highly doubt it. Who know's, see how I pull up from Tuff Truck.

Isn't Scott your brother?

My big little brother