How do the new hilux's preform off road??

[awsumdc]

they are ok as a tourer but in the bush they do lift wheels the travel is not there

the power of the diesel is ok but its not that great
the fuel economy is ok but not that great either

for the same coin you can buy an 80 series pay some one to make it a dual cab
pay some one to put a 100 series 1HDFTE in
put a new 2 inch lift and put a set of 285 75 16's on it
it will do everything better

tyres will wear more evenly
more power,
same fuel consumption ,
stronger running gear
will tow better
be a great tourer
have longer range
better in the ruff stuff
supa comfy with live axles long, travel and 4 coils instead of leaves and short travel struts
less wheel alinements
no flimsy rubber cv boots
its quite simple really stick your head under the front of an ifs truck look at the the number of moving parts how big and strong they are then look at an 80 series or patrol with live axle there is no doubt they are stronger and travel better

only down side is it dont keep up with the jones's in how new it is

OR.........

Instead of doing all the crap you just spoutted off about, if you want a solid axle and you want a newer truck, just get a used new generation Hilux, sas the thing and put some gearing in it and then bring on any other solid axle rig.

Kinda like this.....



OR this........



However, I think that the Newer Hilux is a great offroad platform. Ifs or not, it will get you to and from most places without drama.

EASY CAUSE IT WILL COST SHIT LOADS BE SLOWER USE MORE FUEL AND USE LOTS OF NON STD PARTS

MOST OF ALL IT WONT BE LEGAL

i would not call a bolt in engine change and a 2 " lift a lot
and body chop is done plenty these days no hassles

PS. awsumdc when was the last time you drove a 1hdfte powered truck ???or even a td hilux??

Actually you guys DO have legally sased Hilux's there and I have driven a TD Hilux from Mexico two months ago Wish we had them here.





Search before you speak. I did!

[thrashlux]

they are ok as a tourer but in the bush they do lift wheels the travel is not there

the power of the diesel is ok but its not that great
the fuel economy is ok but not that great either

for the same coin you can buy an 80 series pay some one to make it a dual cab
pay some one to put a 100 series 1HDFTE in
put a new 2 inch lift and put a set of 285 75 16's on it
it will do everything better

tyres will wear more evenly
more power,
same fuel consumption ,
stronger running gear
will tow better
be a great tourer
have longer range
better in the ruff stuff
supa comfy with live axles long, travel and 4 coils instead of leaves and short travel struts
less wheel alinements
no flimsy rubber cv boots
its quite simple really stick your head under the front of an ifs truck look at the the number of moving parts how big and strong they are then look at an 80 series or patrol with live axle there is no doubt they are stronger and travel better

only down side is it dont keep up with the jones's in how new it is

OR.........

Instead of doing all the crap you just spoutted off about, if you want a solid axle and you want a newer truck, just get a used new generation Hilux, sas the thing and put some gearing in it and then bring on any other solid axle rig.

Kinda like this.....



OR this........



However, I think that the Newer Hilux is a great offroad platform. Ifs or not, it will get you to and from most places without drama.

EASY CAUSE IT WILL COST SHIT LOADS BE SLOWER USE MORE FUEL AND USE LOTS OF NON STD PARTS

MOST OF ALL IT WONT BE LEGAL

i would not call a bolt in engine change and a 2 " lift a lot
and body chop is done plenty these days no hassles

PS. awsumdc when was the last time you drove a 1hdfte powered truck ???or even a td hilux??

Actually you guys DO have legally sased Hilux's there and I have driven a TD Hilux from Mexico two months ago Wish we had them here.





Search before you speak. I did!

i dont need to search i know that car

its very hard to get that sort of thing regoed here
in Australia we have different rules in different states and it would be illegal in some states

plus insurance would be almost impossible

what i said in my original statement is that what i suggested would be far superior( for the task required) and legal with the bonus of being cheaper

as i said i dont think u have driven the 1HDfte ,it makes the td hilux feel gutless, thats the point i was making if u think the d4d is good u obviously have not

there is no way i would want to take a rig like that (the ones in your pictures) on long distance hi speed touring trip with tarmac / off road out back work all that shiny fancy stuff would crap out in no time its does not have any kind of guards or protection from stones or animals etc
if some thing breaks u cannot get a replacement easily
great for trails and rock crawling though
you can have a truck that will do both

in aus u have to count on your truck as your life depends on it
we are not so much into appearance as in the states ( well some of us any way) some like to keep up with the jone's and have the latest model etc with chrome wheels but that wont help u in the ruff stuff

[awsumdc]

they are ok as a tourer but in the bush they do lift wheels the travel is not there

the power of the diesel is ok but its not that great
the fuel economy is ok but not that great either

for the same coin you can buy an 80 series pay some one to make it a dual cab
pay some one to put a 100 series 1HDFTE in
put a new 2 inch lift and put a set of 285 75 16's on it
it will do everything better

tyres will wear more evenly
more power,
same fuel consumption ,
stronger running gear
will tow better
be a great tourer
have longer range
better in the ruff stuff
supa comfy with live axles long, travel and 4 coils instead of leaves and short travel struts
less wheel alinements
no flimsy rubber cv boots
its quite simple really stick your head under the front of an ifs truck look at the the number of moving parts how big and strong they are then look at an 80 series or patrol with live axle there is no doubt they are stronger and travel better

only down side is it dont keep up with the jones's in how new it is

OR.........

Instead of doing all the crap you just spoutted off about, if you want a solid axle and you want a newer truck, just get a used new generation Hilux, sas the thing and put some gearing in it and then bring on any other solid axle rig.

Kinda like this.....



OR this........



However, I think that the Newer Hilux is a great offroad platform. Ifs or not, it will get you to and from most places without drama.

EASY CAUSE IT WILL COST SHIT LOADS BE SLOWER USE MORE FUEL AND USE LOTS OF NON STD PARTS

MOST OF ALL IT WONT BE LEGAL

i would not call a bolt in engine change and a 2 " lift a lot
and body chop is done plenty these days no hassles

PS. awsumdc when was the last time you drove a 1hdfte powered truck ???or even a td hilux??

Actually you guys DO have legally sased Hilux's there and I have driven a TD Hilux from Mexico two months ago Wish we had them here.





Search before you speak. I did!

I drive 75+ mph on the freeway with my shinny stuff and then climb stuff like this. Come follow me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiGNkBG6eAg

Granted, I dont need to worry about hitting animals like Roo's and such so I don't have a big Bull Bar hanging off the front of my truck, but I do still have to follow the rules and laws of this land. Can I take my truck to Australia and run it there? Nope! Would love to but I couldn't get it passed there. Will it do everything I need it to do here! ABSOLUTELY!

My point as well as others here is, the Hilux is a perfectly good vehicle to run off road either here or there. Can it follow my rig? NO way! Will it do fine in most of the situations an intelligent driver will take it in? Most diffinately.

[booflux]

they are ok as a tourer but in the bush they do lift wheels the travel is not there

the power of the diesel is ok but its not that great
the fuel economy is ok but not that great either

for the same coin you can buy an 80 series pay some one to make it a dual cab
pay some one to put a 100 series 1HDFTE in
put a new 2 inch lift and put a set of 285 75 16's on it
it will do everything better

tyres will wear more evenly
more power,
same fuel consumption ,
stronger running gear
will tow better
be a great tourer
have longer range
better in the ruff stuff
supa comfy with live axles long, travel and 4 coils instead of leaves and short travel struts
less wheel alinements
no flimsy rubber cv boots
its quite simple really stick your head under the front of an ifs truck look at the the number of moving parts how big and strong they are then look at an 80 series or patrol with live axle there is no doubt they are stronger and travel better

only down side is it dont keep up with the jones's in how new it is

OR.........

Instead of doing all the crap you just spoutted off about, if you want a solid axle and you want a newer truck, just get a used new generation Hilux, sas the thing and put some gearing in it and then bring on any other solid axle rig.

Kinda like this.....



OR this........



However, I think that the Newer Hilux is a great offroad platform. Ifs or not, it will get you to and from most places without drama.

EASY CAUSE IT WILL COST SHIT LOADS BE SLOWER USE MORE FUEL AND USE LOTS OF NON STD PARTS

MOST OF ALL IT WONT BE LEGAL

i would not call a bolt in engine change and a 2 " lift a lot
and body chop is done plenty these days no hassles

PS. awsumdc when was the last time you drove a 1hdfte powered truck ???or even a td hilux??

Actually you guys DO have legally sased Hilux's there and I have driven a TD Hilux from Mexico two months ago Wish we had them here.





Search before you speak. I did!

i dont need to search i know that car

its very hard to get that sort of thing regoed here
in Australia we have different rules in different states and it would be illegal in some states

plus insurance would be almost impossible

what i said in my original statement is that what i suggested would be far superior( for the task required) and legal with the bonus of being cheaper

as i said i dont think u have driven the 1HDfte ,it makes the td hilux feel gutless, thats the point i was making if u think the d4d is good u obviously have not

there is no way i would want to take a rig like that (the ones in your pictures) on long distance hi speed touring trip with tarmac / off road out back work all that shiny fancy stuff would crap out in no time its does not have any kind of guards or protection from stones or animals etc
if some thing breaks u cannot get a replacement easily
great for trails and rock crawling though
you can have a truck that will do both

in aus u have to count on your truck as your life depends on it
we are not so much into appearance as in the states ( well some of us any way) some like to keep up with the jone's and have the latest model etc with chrome wheels but that wont help u in the ruff stuff

Ok I will bite having owned both an IFS with an engine conversion and then later a SAS.

Simply put I would do a SAS over an engine conversion any day of the week. Engine conversions send most places running for the hills or smiling as they add 30% to any cost given its a conversion. Take the AC on mine for example, factory Lux everything except for the compressor which was 1uz. The hassles I had even trying to get it looked at to anyalse the fact it wasnt working was an absolute nightmare.

Getting a SAS legal in Australia is not hard its as easy as an engine conversion. In regards to insurance again its easier to insure a sas than an engine swap in my experience.

Simply put the guy has asked for a tourer and to think a 15 year old truck with an engine conversion, chopped and modded is a better option than a new truck under warranty with some mods doesnt make any sense at all. Yes it has new suspension and engine, yet the gearbox, diffs, driveshafts, electrics, body, and so many other mechanical parts are older and have more chance of failure due to wear than a newer truck also.

The guy isnt interested in rock crawling or comps he wants to go touring. A dual locked IFS with barwork, and slightly larger tyres will go anywhere he wishes to go. Realistically anywhere it doesnt go you wouldnt want to be going solo as the chance of vehicle failure in the middle of nowhere is not what tourers want to do.

[thrashlux]

OR.........

Instead of doing all the crap you just spoutted off about, if you want a solid axle and you want a newer truck, just get a used new generation Hilux, sas the thing and put some gearing in it and then bring on any other solid axle rig.

Kinda like this.....



OR this........



However, I think that the Newer Hilux is a great offroad platform. Ifs or not, it will get you to and from most places without drama.

EASY CAUSE IT WILL COST SHIT LOADS BE SLOWER USE MORE FUEL AND USE LOTS OF NON STD PARTS

MOST OF ALL IT WONT BE LEGAL

i would not call a bolt in engine change and a 2 " lift a lot
and body chop is done plenty these days no hassles

PS. awsumdc when was the last time you drove a 1hdfte powered truck ???or even a td hilux??

Actually you guys DO have legally sased Hilux's there and I have driven a TD Hilux from Mexico two months ago Wish we had them here.





Search before you speak. I did!

i dont need to search i know that car

its very hard to get that sort of thing regoed here
in Australia we have different rules in different states and it would be illegal in some states

plus insurance would be almost impossible

what i said in my original statement is that what i suggested would be far superior( for the task required) and legal with the bonus of being cheaper

as i said i dont think u have driven the 1HDfte ,it makes the td hilux feel gutless, thats the point i was making if u think the d4d is good u obviously have not

there is no way i would want to take a rig like that (the ones in your pictures) on long distance hi speed touring trip with tarmac / off road out back work all that shiny fancy stuff would crap out in no time its does not have any kind of guards or protection from stones or animals etc
if some thing breaks u cannot get a replacement easily
great for trails and rock crawling though
you can have a truck that will do both

in aus u have to count on your truck as your life depends on it
we are not so much into appearance as in the states ( well some of us any way) some like to keep up with the jone's and have the latest model etc with chrome wheels but that wont help u in the ruff stuff

Ok I will bite having owned both an IFS with an engine conversion and then later a SAS.

Simply put I would do a SAS over an engine conversion any day of the week. Engine conversions send most places running for the hills or smiling as they add 30% to any cost given its a conversion. Take the AC on mine for example, factory Lux everything except for the compressor which was 1uz. The hassles I had even trying to get it looked at to anyalse the fact it wasnt working was an absolute nightmare.

Getting a SAS legal in Australia is not hard its as easy as an engine conversion. In regards to insurance again its easier to insure a sas than an engine swap in my experience.

Simply put the guy has asked for a tourer and to think a 15 year old truck with an engine conversion, chopped and modded is a better option than a new truck under warranty with some mods doesnt make any sense at all. Yes it has new suspension and engine, yet the gearbox, diffs, driveshafts, electrics, body, and so many other mechanical parts are older and have more chance of failure due to wear than a newer truck also.

The guy isnt interested in rock crawling or comps he wants to go touring. A dual locked IFS with barwork, and slightly larger tyres will go anywhere he wishes to go. Realistically anywhere it doesnt go you wouldnt want to be going solo as the chance of vehicle failure in the middle of nowhere is not what tourers want to do.

its a BOLT IN ENGINE CONVERSION it took me 4 days drive in drive out insurance with the 1HDFTE is a no brainer because the base engine came out in the 80 its THE 1HDFT

plus 80 series running gear if reconed would out last the hilux stuff

can u please direct me to the insurance company that is happy to insure as i have 2 sased hiluxes that need insurance

[thrashlux]

I drive 75+ mph on the freeway with my shinny stuff and then climb stuff like this. Come follow me.


Granted, I dont need to worry about hitting animals like Roo's and such so I don't have a big Bull Bar hanging off the front of my truck, but I do still have to follow the rules and laws of this land. Can I take my truck to Australia and run it there? Nope! Would love to but I couldn't get it passed there. Will it do everything I need it to do here! ABSOLUTELY!

My point as well as others here is, the Hilux is a perfectly good vehicle to run off road either here or there. Can it follow my rig? NO way! Will it do fine in most of the situations an intelligent driver will take it in? Most diffinately.

Your rig is definitely a nice kick arse rig and it suits what u do with it perfectly
unfortunately its not the same in aus for environmental and legal reasons

actually i would love to come follow u

i am planning to bring my truck to the us in the future

and driving it around the country

it is LC80 with a 1980 toyota pick up cab and twinturbo supra engine (2jzgte)
it has 5.29 diff gears, airlockers and i have tested it up to 200 kph in 4th gear
( got scared after that as it was on the runway and i was running out of road)

it has great wheel travel and is supa comfy due to its airbag suspension plus i can lower it right down on the freeway so it does not handle like a boat






and a pic of my other truck with same suspension as the new one
the new truck has better wheel travel due to longer 80 series axles

[booflux]

EASY CAUSE IT WILL COST SHIT LOADS BE SLOWER USE MORE FUEL AND USE LOTS OF NON STD PARTS

MOST OF ALL IT WONT BE LEGAL

i would not call a bolt in engine change and a 2 " lift a lot
and body chop is done plenty these days no hassles

PS. awsumdc when was the last time you drove a 1hdfte powered truck ???or even a td hilux??

Actually you guys DO have legally sased Hilux's there and I have driven a TD Hilux from Mexico two months ago Wish we had them here.





Search before you speak. I did!

i dont need to search i know that car

its very hard to get that sort of thing regoed here
in Australia we have different rules in different states and it would be illegal in some states

plus insurance would be almost impossible

what i said in my original statement is that what i suggested would be far superior( for the task required) and legal with the bonus of being cheaper

as i said i dont think u have driven the 1HDfte ,it makes the td hilux feel gutless, thats the point i was making if u think the d4d is good u obviously have not

there is no way i would want to take a rig like that (the ones in your pictures) on long distance hi speed touring trip with tarmac / off road out back work all that shiny fancy stuff would crap out in no time its does not have any kind of guards or protection from stones or animals etc
if some thing breaks u cannot get a replacement easily
great for trails and rock crawling though
you can have a truck that will do both

in aus u have to count on your truck as your life depends on it
we are not so much into appearance as in the states ( well some of us any way) some like to keep up with the jone's and have the latest model etc with chrome wheels but that wont help u in the ruff stuff

Ok I will bite having owned both an IFS with an engine conversion and then later a SAS.

Simply put I would do a SAS over an engine conversion any day of the week. Engine conversions send most places running for the hills or smiling as they add 30% to any cost given its a conversion. Take the AC on mine for example, factory Lux everything except for the compressor which was 1uz. The hassles I had even trying to get it looked at to anyalse the fact it wasnt working was an absolute nightmare.

Getting a SAS legal in Australia is not hard its as easy as an engine conversion. In regards to insurance again its easier to insure a sas than an engine swap in my experience.

Simply put the guy has asked for a tourer and to think a 15 year old truck with an engine conversion, chopped and modded is a better option than a new truck under warranty with some mods doesnt make any sense at all. Yes it has new suspension and engine, yet the gearbox, diffs, driveshafts, electrics, body, and so many other mechanical parts are older and have more chance of failure due to wear than a newer truck also.

The guy isnt interested in rock crawling or comps he wants to go touring. A dual locked IFS with barwork, and slightly larger tyres will go anywhere he wishes to go. Realistically anywhere it doesnt go you wouldnt want to be going solo as the chance of vehicle failure in the middle of nowhere is not what tourers want to do.

its a BOLT IN ENGINE CONVERSION it took me 4 days drive in drive out insurance with the 1HDFTE is a no brainer because the base engine came out in the 80 its THE 1HDFT

plus 80 series running gear if reconed would out last the hilux stuff

can u please direct me to the insurance company that is happy to insure as i have 2 sased hiluxes that need insurance

Nothing is a bolt in fit,
Easy mine was insured with Just Cars, or Shannons also would insure it, RACQ would have insured the sas but wouldnt insure the V8 same with Suncorp, AAMI and most of the other mainstream companies. Supercheap insurance were also happy with both mods made but I went with Just cars as it was only $600 full comp or when it was no longer street driven $150 for third party property

Also how do you figure the 80 gear will outlast the Lux? We are talking touring not hard wheeling. Both are more than capable of lasting a long time under those conditions. We are also now talking rebuilding both diffs, fitting a 2nd hand engine do we rebuild that also? what about the gearbox, clutch, or do we make it auto? Then we start looking at a/c pwr steering pumps, alternators, where do you stop? Suddenly its costing a hell of lot of money you will never get back, and you have a lot of time to wait to have the vehicle ready.

Remember the guy wants a tourer not a crawler and I am pretty sure he would rather be touring than spending months spinning spanners. Then you have the other side to look at, the vehicle may be under finance, that should be interesting with the 80, lease even more so. Tax writeoff, again the Lux comes out in front. I am not saying that an 80 doesnt make a good touring vehicle, but personally I get tired of the rubbish that if it isnt a solid axle its nothing more than a mall cruiser. A new Hilux with a good quality suspension kit like most IFS vehicles will drive better than a solid axle on the road and gravel or dirt roads also.

[mmaaxx]

Thrashlux.....try TCIS Insurance brokers...they deal with modifed 4x4's and cover you for all accessories and anywhere geographically within australia, aswell as water crossings.

for the same coin you can buy an 80 series pay some one to make it a dual cab
pay some one to put a 100 series 1HDFTE in
put a new 2 inch lift and put a set of 285 75 16's on it
it will do everything better

tyres will wear more evenly
more power,
same fuel consumption ,
stronger running gear
will tow better
be a great tourer
have longer range
better in the ruff stuff
supa comfy with live axles long, travel and 4 coils instead of leaves and short travel struts
less wheel alinements
no flimsy rubber cv boots
its quite simple really stick your head under the front of an ifs truck look at the the number of moving parts how big and strong they are then look at an 80 series or patrol with live axle there is no doubt they are stronger and travel better

only down side is it dont keep up with the jones's in how new it is

In regards to your comparison of a 100 series cut up into a ute with 1HDT and the current hilux......

Landcruiser 100 1HDT IFS

Max Power - 151kW @ 3,400rpm
Max Torque - 430nM @ 1800rpm
Gross vehicle Weight - 3260kg

Approach Angle - 31 deg
Departure Angle - 26 deg

Ground Clearance - 210mm
Just note, the solid axle Landcruiser has 230mm ground clearance...still less than the hilux.

Hilux D4D

Max Power - 126kW @ 3,600rpm
Max Torque - 343nm @ 1200rpm right through to 3,400rpm
Gross vehicle Weight - 2780kg

Fuel Consumption - 9.3 l/100km

Approach Angle - 30 Deg
Departure Angle - 26 Deg

Ground Clearance 292mm

The reason toyota didnt put the 1HDt with in the live axle 100 series was because of the live axle itself...there wasnt roof with the design of the axle housing and the engines sump and some other bits......

Not saying it cant be done and put into an 80...Ive seen it done but the costs involved in your idea would surpace a current new hilux with a few minor mods setup for touring....and you'd never get it back like Boof said whereas with the hilux they have a fantastic resale value.....

The 1hdtfe has more peak torque, but the hilux's torque is spread over a wider rev range making it more usuable when touring with the back end full of gear, the less weight of the hilux would benefit the fuel economy aswell..something you need when touring.

The 80 series running gear you were saying is stronger.....the 80 series uses a 8" front diff ring gear doesnt it, the same as the front of the current hilux.....except the difference with an 80 series solid axle on 33's and a current hilux on 33's is the current hilux will have more under diff clearance than the 80 series will....another plus for the lux.

[thrashlux]

Nothing is a bolt in fit,

well it is i have done it 3 times now
sorry to hear about your engine conversion experience not being so smooth but i am guessing u have not actually done the conversion i am talking about

Easy mine was insured with Just Cars, or Shannons also would insure it, RACQ would have insured the sas but wouldnt insure the V8 same with Suncorp, AAMI and most of the other mainstream companies. Supercheap insurance were also happy with both mods made but I went with Just cars as it was only $600 full comp or when it was no longer street driven $150 for third party property

well i have my other 3 cars insured with shannons i also tried just cars, suncorp and racq .suncorp and racq will not insure u with vertually any modificationand they did not want to touch them when you are honest and tell what u have done
there is no point in not being honest other wise they will not cover yoy when u need it

Also how do you figure the 80 gear will outlast the Lux? We are talking touring not hard wheeling. Both are more than capable of lasting a long time under those conditions.

easy the 80 series is designated by toyota a heavy duty 4wheel drive the hilux a light duty so when they made them the engineered them differently you just have to have a look at them blind freddy can see that

We are also now talking rebuilding both diffs, fitting a 2nd hand engine do we rebuild that also? what about the gearbox, clutch, or do we make it auto? Then we start looking at a/c pwr steering pumps, alternators, where do you stop? Suddenly its costing a hell of lot of money you will never get back, and you have a lot of time to wait to have the vehicle ready.

i bought a brand new engine and used the ancillaries from a rolled low mileage 100 series 25k total cost 12000 bucks
still crap loads cheaper than the hilux and its all new

Remember the guy wants a tourer not a crawler and I am pretty sure he would rather be touring than spending months spinning spanners.

yep agreed thats why i am against sas conversion and new hilux with immanent clutch change

Then you have the other side to look at, the vehicle may be under finance, that should be interesting with the 80, lease even more so. Tax writeoff, again the Lux comes out in front.

no mention of this???

I am not saying that an 80 doesnt make a good touring vehicle, but personally I get tired of the rubbish that if it isnt a solid axle its nothing more than a mall cruiser. A new Hilux with a good quality suspension kit like most IFS vehicles will drive better than a solid axle on the road and gravel or dirt roads also.

agreed

you cannot seriously say a leaf rear hilux handles corrugations better than a coily 80 series
will cost more and not do the total job as well as what i suggested which is touring with rough stuff

[booflux]

Thrashlux we will have to agree to disagree I guess, at the end of the day its the op choice and he has my opinion along with yours.

Also just for interests sake, my Lux was insured with RACQ prior to the engine swap with a long list of mods without issue. My current Prado is insured with Suncorp and from talks with them the supercharger and other mods I am planning will all be covered by them without issue

[thrashlux]

Thrashlux.....try TCIS Insurance brokers...they deal with modifed 4x4's and cover you for all accessories and anywhere geographically within australia, aswell as water crossings.

great thanks for that i will give them a try

for the same coin you can buy an 80 series pay some one to make it a dual cab
pay some one to put a 100 series 1HDFTE in
put a new 2 inch lift and put a set of 285 75 16's on it
it will do everything better

tyres will wear more evenly
more power,
same fuel consumption ,
stronger running gear
will tow better
be a great tourer
have longer range
better in the ruff stuff
supa comfy with live axles long, travel and 4 coils instead of leaves and short travel struts
less wheel alinements
no flimsy rubber cv boots
its quite simple really stick your head under the front of an ifs truck look at the the number of moving parts how big and strong they are then look at an 80 series or patrol with live axle there is no doubt they are stronger and travel better

only down side is it dont keep up with the jones's in how new it is

In regards to your comparison of a 100 series cut up into a ute with 1HDT and the current hilux......

Landcruiser 100 1HDT IFS

Max Power - 151kW @ 3,400rpm
Max Torque - 430nM @ 1800rpm
Gross vehicle Weight - 3260kg

Approach Angle - 31 deg
Departure Angle - 26 deg

Ground Clearance - 210mm
Just note, the solid axle Landcruiser has 230mm ground clearance...still less than the hilux.

Hilux D4D

Max Power - 126kW @ 3,600rpm
Max Torque - 343nm @ 1200rpm right through to 3,400rpm
Gross vehicle Weight - 2780kg

Fuel Consumption - 9.3 l/100km

Approach Angle - 30 Deg
Departure Angle - 26 Deg

Ground Clearance 292mm

The reason toyota didnt put the 1HDt with in the live axle 100 series was because of the live axle itself...there wasnt roof with the design of the axle housing and the engines sump and some other bits......

Not saying it cant be done and put into an 80...Ive seen it done but the costs involved in your idea would surpace a current new hilux with a few minor mods setup for touring....and you'd never get it back like Boof said whereas with the hilux they have a fantastic resale value.....

sorry all of this is not correct
i have done the conversion 3 times now no problem
an 80 that cost 8000 bucks if u put an fte in u can sell for 23000
conversion cost of about 14000
hilux will depreciate faster due to the fact it is newer, the 80 series has vertually bottomed out
as far as power a torque curves the fte is similar in that max torque is avail just off idle all the way to redline thats the charicteristics that the efi brought just like with the hilux engine so it just has more torque and power every where over the hilux engine

the ground clearance figures are irrelevant for 2 reasons they are for the wrong model and they dont account for wheel travel they are static figures

The 1hdtfe has more peak torque, but the hilux's torque is spread over a wider rev range making it more usuable when touring with the back end full of gear, the less weight of the hilux would benefit the fuel economy aswell..something you need when touring.

the fuel figures are vurtually the same i guess its because an 80 series ute weighs about the same as a new hilux but the engine does not have to work as hard

The 80 series running gear you were saying is stronger.....the 80 series uses a 8" front diff ring gear doesnt it, the same as the front of the current hilux.....except the difference with an 80 series solid axle on 33's and a current hilux on 33's is the current hilux will have more under diff clearance than the 80 series will....another plus for the lux.

well strength in my last post i explained they are engineered diferently starting from the clutch all the way to the axles
yes the diff in the front is the same size ring gear that is actually the weakest bit of an 80 and probably the strongest bit of the hilux

my hilux used to blow rear diffs all the ime till i upgraded to an 80 series one then there is the gearbox the list goes on and on

[thrashlux]

Thrashlux we will have to agree to disagree I guess, at the end of the day its the op choice and he has my opinion along with yours.

Also just for interests sake, my Lux was insured with RACQ prior to the engine swap with a long list of mods without issue. My current Prado is insured with Suncorp and from talks with them the supercharger and other mods I am planning will all be covered by them without issue

wow mate you must have a nice smile or something
or maybe they look at my list of cars i dont own one with out a turbo
i have ended up just going the fire and theft route with them at this stage but i am sure i will never get the money from them if anything happens any way
but yes there is more than one way to skin a cat and that is what makes life intersting
cant wait to hear your new truck in action
i am shipping mine home ( brisbane) in a month after its 2 year holiday in the pacific it has faired pretty well concidering where i have driven it
the only casualties were the brake discs they have been falling apart in sheets
if i see you some time wheeling i can show you what a supra sounds like at 8500 rpm in the mud turning a set of boggers

[BeZeRK]

Played around with plenty of trucks when i spent 7 years in a 4x4 workshop doing custom trucks from comps to tourers...

And I would never take anything heavily modified on long trips.. as soon as you start doing all these mods and head into the middle of nowhere and bust somthing your going to run into trouble...

Still Recon Ill take my 09 SR5 with 2" lift on any long trip or tour to the cape, Vic high, or desert trips and my play toy will do my weekend trips and fun... Oh and thrashlux, your right... Its not an 80 a 100 or a Patrol..... Its a lifted and locked 79 Series ute, so it gets anywhere i need too..

[chunks]

I agree with thrashlux completely...but if people are happy with their new Hilux's good for them, that's all that counts.

[seanr72]

thrashlux is there anything you dont no????
everyone is entitled to there own opinion and likes and dislikes ,yes you have some valid points,but if you think myself and quite a few others would drive around in a old butchered up POS with parts from 20 different cars then you are sadly mistaken, and who really wants to do 200kmh in a 4x4 anyway.

As mentioned before i have seen plenty of basically std vehicles go as many places as highly modified ones because the driver has a few brains and can pick the right line.

[phantomxr8]

I have a current shape Hilux and find it to be great on the road and in the bush there is not much it cant do even if it lifts a wheel every now and then.
A few well thought out mods realy changed mine from OK to Awsome here are a few of those mods

1. 3 inch lift
2. 32 in Tyres
3. Rear Locker
4. Good Bar work (it is a new truck LOL)

This is a very short clip of my lux going up a small climb that quite a few trucks (1 x Jeep and 1x GU Patrol and a 75 series) were having trouble with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZylaefuC3g

In the end I am very happy with my Lux and plan on doing a Cape trip next year

[Splitpin]

thrashlux is there anything you dont no????
everyone is entitled to there own opinion and likes and dislikes ,yes you have some valid points,but if you think myself and quite a few others would drive around in a old butchered up POS with parts from 20 different cars then you are sadly mistaken, and who really wants to do 200kmh in a 4x4 anyway.

As mentioned before i have seen plenty of basically std vehicles go as many places as highly modified ones because the driver has a few brains and can pick the right line.

Yeah I agree.....Thrashlux, what you need to understand is there are thousands of people out there who love getting bogged in anything deeper than a puddle, love the lowrider style, and love having clutches changed as often as they change underpants. Get with the times man! Clutch changes and split CV Boots are the coolest! Lets not forget the mixture of leaf and IFS!! Its like which one is better?.....to hell with it lets fit both!!!!

Yeah you have a good hard think about that Thrashlux and get back to me when you have witnessed the joy of bogging a New Hilux on your front lawn after some light dew.

[awsumdc]

I have a current shape Hilux and find it to be great on the road and in the bush there is not much it cant do even if it lifts a wheel every now and then.
A few well thought out mods realy changed mine from OK to Awsome here are a few of those mods

1. 3 inch lift
2. 32 in Tyres
3. Rear Locker
4. Good Bar work (it is a new truck LOL)

This is a very short clip of my lux going up a small climb that quite a few trucks (1 x Jeep and 1x GU Patrol and a 75 series) were having trouble with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZylaefuC3g

In the end I am very happy with my Lux and plan on doing a Cape trip next year

Very nice. I love the current generation Hilux and wish we could get them here in the states. I'll be in Melbourne in March and will be able to actually drive one in the bush when I get there. Something I've wanted to do for a long time. Only thing is, this Lux will be fitted with some special gear.

http://www.newhilux.net/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5163

[chunks]

thrashlux is there anything you dont no????
everyone is entitled to there own opinion and likes and dislikes ,yes you have some valid points,but if you think myself and quite a few others would drive around in a old butchered up POS with parts from 20 different cars then you are sadly mistaken, and who really wants to do 200kmh in a 4x4 anyway.

As mentioned before i have seen plenty of basically std vehicles go as many places as highly modified ones because the driver has a few brains and can pick the right line.

Yeah I agree.....Thrashlux, what you need to understand is there are thousands of people out there who love getting bogged in anything deeper than a puddle, love the lowrider style, and love having clutches changed as often as they change underpants. Get with the times man! Clutch changes and split CV Boots are the coolest! Lets not forget the mixture of leaf and IFS!! Its like which one is better?.....to hell with it lets fit both!!!!

Yeah you have a good hard think about that Thrashlux and get back to me when you have witnessed the joy of bogging a New Hilux on your front lawn after some light dew.

[thrashlux]

thrashlux is there anything you dont no????

yes there is actually!!!!
why are people such slaves to fashion people will pay a lot of cash for something that cannot do the job as well over something else that was made better in the first place
but as you say everyone is entitled to their opinion if that involves them accepting and inferior item so be it its just funny driving past them

everyone is entitled to there own opinion and likes and dislikes ,yes you have some valid points,but if you think myself and quite a few others would drive around in a old butchered up POS with parts from 20 different cars then you are sadly mistaken, and who really wants to do 200kmh in a 4x4 anyway.

exactly i agree fully thats why i would not suggest that some one a build truck like my butchered up POS that does ridiculous speeds and travels over all types of terrain better than most things out there in comfort while returning reasonable fuel economy

but what i did suggest is that it would be good for some one to have a virtually std 80 series with simple bolt in engine change ( using all factory parts and body chop if they wanted a dual cab

i actually have 3 different 4x4's all of them are different
which one is the best to drive and the most fun and the one i pick for a cape trip or any trip really???

you guessed it that 30 year old butchered up old POS
because it does everything better on road and off road
and it does not break it keeps coming back for more its been made for a purpose
when i had the concept in my head i wanted something that was

light (hence early hilux body and aluminuim construction)
strong and capable(80 series chassis)
fast(supra engine the most powerful bullet proof toyota engine in std form)
the trick is to use as many standard parts as you can and never use custom parts for items that wear or are subject to damage

As mentioned before i have seen plenty of basically std vehicles go as many places as highly modified ones because the driver has a few brains and can pick the right line.

yes and you should see what is possible if that same driver actually had a capable truck

[awsumdc]

thrashlux is there anything you dont no????

yes there is actually!!!!
why are people such slaves to fashion people will pay a lot of cash for something that cannot do the job as well over something else that was made better in the first place
but as you say everyone is entitled to their opinion if that involves them accepting and inferior item so be it its just funny driving past them

everyone is entitled to there own opinion and likes and dislikes ,yes you have some valid points,but if you think myself and quite a few others would drive around in a old butchered up POS with parts from 20 different cars then you are sadly mistaken, and who really wants to do 200kmh in a 4x4 anyway.

exactly i agree fully thats why i would not suggest that some one a build truck like my butchered up POS that does ridiculous speeds and travels over all types of terrain better than most things out there in comfort while returning reasonable fuel economy

but what i did suggest is that it would be good for some one to have a virtually std 80 series with simple bolt in engine change ( using all factory parts and body chop if they wanted a dual cab

i actually have 3 different 4x4's all of them are different
which one is the best to drive and the most fun and the one i pick for a cape trip or any trip really???

you guessed it that 30 year old butchered up old POS
because it does everything better on road and off road
and it does not break it keeps coming back for more its been made for a purpose
when i had the concept in my head i wanted something that was

light (hence early hilux body and aluminuim construction)
strong and capable(80 series chassis)
fast(supra engine the most powerful bullet proof toyota engine in std form)
the trick is to use as many standard parts as you can and never use custom parts for items that wear or are subject to damage

As mentioned before i have seen plenty of basically std vehicles go as many places as highly modified ones because the driver has a few brains and can pick the right line.

yes and you should see what is possible if that same driver actually had a capable truck

OK. You have the best truck in the world. Not another truck on the planet that rides as smooth as butter, gets 1,000 miles per gallon, has a top speed of 600 miles per hour, can climb a 20ft water fall straight up and down without the use of a winch and can leap tall buildings in a single bound. We all get it. We will all bow down to you now.

For the rest of us sane people, the current generation Hilux will do just perfectly fine for the gentleman that asked the first question.

[thehanko]

at the blue mountains hilux meet, the solid axle trucks spent alot of the time towing the ifs hiluxs.

it was tougher off road tracks (though not rediculous stuff).

the ifs owners often vented frustration and the need to do some big dollar mods.

no doubt that it is easier to mod solid axle trucks for hard tracks.

for touring its a different issue, when touring you dont run the hard line for fun as often as if you stuff it up you might be ruined.

I would happily tour in a new lux but would want a locker to help make up for the lost wheel travel and a winch for self rescue.

Having said that I have a solid axle lux im about to sell and a newer solid axle patrol which will play and travel - for me this is better and i wouldnt want a new lux.

for touring only a lux would suffice.

IMO

[jop]

What's wrong with lifting wheels anyway

Agree - ifs with lockers ftw (In my little world anyway)

[thrashlux]

What's wrong with lifting wheels anyway

Agree - ifs with lockers ftw (In my little world anyway)

1) its better to have 4 tyres pushing up a hill with lockers rather than 3 or 2 u get more traction

2) it makes the truck a lot more stable if it flexes over something rather than tipping diagonally from wheel to wheel on steep inclines
thats why trucks like that flip over more easy

keeps the shiny side up

[thehanko]

What's wrong with lifting wheels anyway

Agree - ifs with lockers ftw (In my little world anyway)

1) its better to have 4 tyres pushing up a hill with lockers rather than 3 or 2 u get more traction

2) it makes the truck a lot more stable if it flexes over something rather than tipping diagonally from wheel to wheel on steep inclines
thats why trucks like that flip over more easy

keeps the shiny side up

100% as shown in that video linked somewhere above, where the unstabil ifs truck keeps popping wheels then falling onto them.

but he is talking tourer not wheeler. far less difficult terrain more focus on comfort etc.

[phantomxr8]

I have a current shape Hilux and find it to be great on the road and in the bush there is not much it cant do even if it lifts a wheel every now and then.
A few well thought out mods realy changed mine from OK to Awsome here are a few of those mods

1. 3 inch lift
2. 32 in Tyres
3. Rear Locker
4. Good Bar work (it is a new truck LOL)

This is a very short clip of my lux going up a small climb that quite a few trucks (1 x Jeep and 1x GU Patrol and a 75 series) were having trouble with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZylaefuC3g

In the end I am very happy with my Lux and plan on doing a Cape trip next year

Very nice. I love the current generation Hilux and wish we could get them here in the states. I'll be in Melbourne in March and will be able to actually drive one in the bush when I get there. Something I've wanted to do for a long time. Only thing is, this Lux will be fitted with some special gear.

http://www.newhilux.net/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5163

LOL I have been following this on newhilux since it was posted with great interest

[lumbajak]

for f#cks sake mate, i like many on here have owned more than a few trucks ourselves, and yes of course mate we have driven both ifs and solid axle and i'm fairly sure we realise the advantages of both, however as you seem to know everything im glad you pointed this out! mate the hilux has a wonderful motor and a marvle of engineering, im sorry your old lux gives you some sort of complex and you need to fit a new motor to it and every other car you own- 200kph in a 4x4 why? good 4x4's and their drivers aim to go slow- crawl, great my new lux can almost do that stock, but i dont wish to do it?? i sold my SS as it got boring pulling the trigger in a straight line, and i do use my bike to go 300kmh , but it's more fun in the corners woop de farken doo!
i have a tricked up 40 series and yeah it's a great smasher and rock crawler, and i've had a 75 but for all round and especially touring give me the lux, powerfull, quiet, comfortable, economical, nice interior, easily modified, Sas easily - with an 80 front end so flex's like well and 80, hasn't had 10 try hard owners before me who tried to fit 12 different engine combinations. and you know what no matter how much crap you tack to your thrashlux - it too brother is just a hilux just old and rusty like ours will be one day, and you may say it's great when you go past them in thier ifs, i think the same thing out west when i go past some poor bastard in an old series 1 or 2 hilux out on a bush road. hey it might be you one day, oh sorry by then you'll have the new wing conversion? airplane engineer, nah bullshit artist mate who likes to just come on to forums and reveal to everyone how much of a rooster they are. Mate there are blokes with modded new hilux's and Tacoma's that would eat your sack - so go tuck your dick back in your pants and find a solid axle thread to go glorify yourself? or did they say the same thing?

Thrashlux says -

"I'm off to crawl my jet powered D12 Dozer your hiluxs are crap"

Look under dictionary tourer - see new hilux - most possible.

Look under dictionary tosser - see thrashlux - most probable.



Sorry to all the over seas people all aussies are not rooster thrasher's but a few do slip through the gene pool....

[lumbajak]

sorry auto edit is changing C@CK to Rooster, yes i meant C.O. .C.K.

"im off in my rocket powered mine dump truck your navaras are sh!t too!"

[thrashlux]

for f#cks sake mate, i like many on here have owned more than a few trucks ourselves, and yes of course mate we have driven both ifs and solid axle and i'm fairly sure we realise the advantages of both, however as you seem to know everything im glad you pointed this out! mate the hilux has a wonderful motor and a marvle of engineering, im sorry your old lux gives you some sort of complex and you need to fit a new motor to it and every other car you own- 200kph in a 4x4 why? good 4x4's and their drivers aim to go slow- crawl, great my new lux can almost do that stock, but i dont wish to do it?? i sold my SS as it got boring pulling the trigger in a straight line, and i do use my bike to go 300kmh , but it's more fun in the corners woop de farken doo!
i have a tricked up 40 series and yeah it's a great smasher and rock crawler, and i've had a 75 but for all round and especially touring give me the lux, powerfull, quiet, comfortable, economical, nice interior, easily modified, Sas easily - with an 80 front end so flex's like well and 80, hasn't had 10 try hard owners before me who tried to fit 12 different engine combinations. and you know what no matter how much crap you tack to your thrashlux - it too brother is just a hilux just old and rusty like ours will be one day, and you may say it's great when you go past them in thier ifs, i think the same thing out west when i go past some poor bastard in an old series 1 or 2 hilux out on a bush road. hey it might be you one day, oh sorry by then you'll have the new wing conversion? airplane engineer, nah bullshit artist mate who likes to just come on to forums and reveal to everyone how much of a rooster they are. Mate there are blokes with modded new hilux's and Tacoma's that would eat your sack - so go tuck your dick back in your pants and find a solid axle thread to go glorify yourself? or did they say the same thing?

Thrashlux says -

"I'm off to crawl my jet powered D12 Dozer your hiluxs are crap"

Look under dictionary tourer - see new hilux - most possible.

Look under dictionary tosser - see thrashlux - most probable.



Sorry to all the over seas people all aussies are not rooster thrasher's but a few do slip through the gene pool....

I think the real tooser with some serious C>O>C>K size issues is revealed
its funny how many words there are without one piece of techical or usefull information
poor dude i think you had better take those pills again

[thrashlux]

for f#cks sake mate, i like many on here have owned more than a few trucks ourselves, and yes of course mate we have driven both ifs and solid axle and i'm fairly sure we realise the advantages of both, however as you seem to know everything im glad you pointed this out! mate the hilux has a wonderful motor and a marvle of engineering, im sorry your old lux gives you some sort of complex and you need to fit a new motor to it and every other car you own- 200kph in a 4x4 why? good 4x4's and their drivers aim to go slow- crawl, great my new lux can almost do that stock, but i dont wish to do it?? i sold my SS as it got boring pulling the trigger in a straight line, and i do use my bike to go 300kmh , but it's more fun in the corners woop de farken doo!
i have a tricked up 40 series and yeah it's a great smasher and rock crawler, and i've had a 75 but for all round and especially touring give me the lux, powerfull, quiet, comfortable, economical, nice interior, easily modified, Sas easily - with an 80 front end so flex's like well and 80, hasn't had 10 try hard owners before me who tried to fit 12 different engine combinations. and you know what no matter how much crap you tack to your thrashlux - it too brother is just a hilux just old and rusty like ours will be one day, and you may say it's great when you go past them in thier ifs, i think the same thing out west when i go past some poor bastard in an old series 1 or 2 hilux out on a bush road. hey it might be you one day, oh sorry by then you'll have the new wing conversion? airplane engineer, nah bullshit artist mate who likes to just come on to forums and reveal to everyone how much of a rooster they are. Mate there are blokes with modded new hilux's and Tacoma's that would eat your sack - so go tuck your dick back in your pants and find a solid axle thread to go glorify yourself? or did they say the same thing?

Thrashlux says -

"I'm off to crawl my jet powered D12 Dozer your hiluxs are crap"

Look under dictionary tourer - see new hilux - most possible.

Look under dictionary tosser - see thrashlux - most probable.



Sorry to all the over seas people all aussies are not rooster thrasher's but a few do slip through the gene pool....

I think the real tooser with some serious C>O>C>K size issues is revealed
its funny how many words there are without one piece of techical or usefull information
poor dude i think you had better take those pills again