How do the new hilux's preform off road??

[BeZeRK]

Thrash lux, im about to get myself banned again probably and say...

"Your a D!ckhead"

99.95% of people dont need to travel round this country in a half bred cross 4x4 that if it breaks trying to be a show off hero on some track in the middle of nowhere will crawl up and die...

No, most of us would prefer to travel in a reliable comfy car when touring and leave the rock crawling shenaniganze to the weekend in trucks built specifically for that!! playing.. We dont need tobe HEROS driving to cape yourk with 44's.. we are not all wanker show offs...

But hey! Thats my opinion....

And Yes... Ive got one and i beleive the New hilux makes a great tourer that will get anywhere you are willing to take it on a trip....

[thrashlux]

Thrash lux, im about to get myself banned again probably and say...

"Your a D!ckhead"

99.95% of people dont need to travel round this country in a half bred cross 4x4 that if it breaks trying to be a show off hero on some track in the middle of nowhere will crawl up and die...

No, most of us would prefer to travel in a reliable comfy car when touring and leave the rock crawling shenaniganze to the weekend in trucks built specifically for that!! playing.. We dont need tobe HEROS driving to cape yourk with 44's.. we are not all wanker show offs...

But hey! Thats my opinion....

and Yes... Ive got one and i beleive the New hilux makes a great tourer that will get anywhere you are willing to take it on a trip....

Wow i have struck a real cord with the soft core ifs boys
such pasion and emotion !!!
if only we could put it to a good use instead of being wasted on such a
worthless cause

I am trying to work out what u r saying you say i am "wanker show off " i am not seeing how this is posible if i am by myself in the middle of nowhere as you also stated

as for your statement regarding most of us would prefer to travel in a reliable comfy car when touring
well i hate to break it to you my truck is a lot more comfy than a new lux i have driven the new lux with its airbag bull bar shaking around in the brease and dash shudderingover corrigations due to the cart springs fitted to the rear of the truck
i much rather a more solid all steel truck with airbag suspension and nice cold aircon and a comfy chair no shuddering or rattles
as for reliability the truck is a lot more robust than a new lux and if it did break i would be able to fix it unlike the D4d with its peaso injectors and variable vane turbo it will be a flat bed ride home for that baby!! you need a laptop just to change an injector!!
as i said all the parts that wear or are subject to damage are off the shelf parts so replacements are easy

i am sorry you are so sad maybe i can help make you feel better and pull your ifs bashplate of the mud one day by your flimsy airbag bull bar
woops i hope it dont fall off rusell cought style

hope to drive past you on a track one day
cheers
thrashlux

[lumbajak]

for f#cks sake mate, i like many on here have owned more than a few trucks ourselves, and yes of course mate we have driven both ifs and solid axle and i'm fairly sure we realise the advantages of both, however as you seem to know everything im glad you pointed this out! mate the hilux has a wonderful motor and a marvle of engineering, im sorry your old lux gives you some sort of complex and you need to fit a new motor to it and every other car you own- 200kph in a 4x4 why? good 4x4's and their drivers aim to go slow- crawl, great my new lux can almost do that stock, but i dont wish to do it?? i sold my SS as it got boring pulling the trigger in a straight line, and i do use my bike to go 300kmh , but it's more fun in the corners woop de farken doo!
i have a tricked up 40 series and yeah it's a great smasher and rock crawler, and i've had a 75 but for all round and especially touring give me the lux, powerfull, quiet, comfortable, economical, nice interior, easily modified, Sas easily - with an 80 front end so flex's like well and 80, hasn't had 10 try hard owners before me who tried to fit 12 different engine combinations. and you know what no matter how much crap you tack to your thrashlux - it too brother is just a hilux just old and rusty like ours will be one day, and you may say it's great when you go past them in thier ifs, i think the same thing out west when i go past some poor bastard in an old series 1 or 2 hilux out on a bush road. hey it might be you one day, oh sorry by then you'll have the new wing conversion? airplane engineer, nah bullshit artist mate who likes to just come on to forums and reveal to everyone how much of a rooster they are. Mate there are blokes with modded new hilux's and Tacoma's that would eat your sack - so go tuck your dick back in your pants and find a solid axle thread to go glorify yourself? or did they say the same thing?

Thrashlux says -

"I'm off to crawl my jet powered D12 Dozer your hiluxs are crap"

Look under dictionary tourer - see new hilux - most possible.

Look under dictionary tosser - see thrashlux - most probable.



Sorry to all the over seas people all aussies are not rooster thrasher's but a few do slip through the gene pool....

sorry auto edit is changing C@CK to Rooster, yes i meant C.O. .C.K.

"im off in my rocket powered mine dump truck your navaras are sh!t too!"

just so you didnt think you could slide away from this with a double post sweet cheeks.

[thrashlux]

just so you didnt think you could slide away from this with a double post sweet cheeks.

nah i am not into bolstering up my posts
its called a shit internet connection see i actually live on a tropical island fixing jets for a job

but its great you have reached 4 posts in total on outer's now good on u you are a champ livin the dream man

[lumbajak]

and hey if we get banned thats fine someone should ban co.cks like thrasher lux aswell - plenty of people dont join sites like this because of ignorant degenerates like him. Happy to be sacrificial for a cause like his.



however if he was banned well he may cry as he would have nothing to glorify of justify his existence? pills i know who should have took them would of saved the world from douch bag heroes that have a one track mind. by the way as far as ifs goes take a 200 series gxl for a spin, i have and let me tell you, stock they well eat your peice of sh.it 80/lux, on and of the road, let alone a few mods.

have spotted a few of your posts around the site and it's not so much of an ifs hate you've got going on but newer cars in general....... hhmmm love my oldies but got myself a newie so speak from experience. I beleive jealousy is a sin and a curse, its ok if you pov mate just keep doing up your busted sacks of crap and give em a new paint job, air bags and a new age motor and call it your good one. - hey you gotta drive yours and im lucky enough to drive mine. deal with it champ.

[Splitpin]

for f#cks sake mate, i like many on here have owned more than a few trucks ourselves, and yes of course mate we have driven both ifs and solid axle and i'm fairly sure we realise the advantages of both, however as you seem to know everything im glad you pointed this out! mate the hilux has a wonderful motor and a marvle of engineering, im sorry your old lux gives you some sort of complex and you need to fit a new motor to it and every other car you own- 200kph in a 4x4 why? good 4x4's and their drivers aim to go slow- crawl, great my new lux can almost do that stock, but i dont wish to do it?? i sold my SS as it got boring pulling the trigger in a straight line, and i do use my bike to go 300kmh , but it's more fun in the corners woop de farken doo!
i have a tricked up 40 series and yeah it's a great smasher and rock crawler, and i've had a 75 but for all round and especially touring give me the lux, powerfull, quiet, comfortable, economical, nice interior, easily modified, Sas easily - with an 80 front end so flex's like well and 80, hasn't had 10 try hard owners before me who tried to fit 12 different engine combinations. and you know what no matter how much crap you tack to your thrashlux - it too brother is just a hilux just old and rusty like ours will be one day, and you may say it's great when you go past them in thier ifs, i think the same thing out west when i go past some poor bastard in an old series 1 or 2 hilux out on a bush road. hey it might be you one day, oh sorry by then you'll have the new wing conversion? airplane engineer, nah bullshit artist mate who likes to just come on to forums and reveal to everyone how much of a rooster they are. Mate there are blokes with modded new hilux's and Tacoma's that would eat your sack - so go tuck your dick back in your pants and find a solid axle thread to go glorify yourself? or did they say the same thing?

Thrashlux says -

"I'm off to crawl my jet powered D12 Dozer your hiluxs are crap"

Look under dictionary tourer - see new hilux - most possible.

Look under dictionary tosser - see thrashlux - most probable.



Sorry to all the over seas people all aussies are not rooster thrasher's but a few do slip through the gene pool....

Hahahhahaha........Jealous much?

Trashlux maybe you should build this guy a new truck it sounds like hes keen!!

And as for using the SS and gene pool in the same post thats a big no no.......unless your talking about shallow end of the gene pool that is.

[thrashlux]

yeah i am real gelous of going slow and having my teeth rattled out

if i wanted a POS like u have i would just go buy one its easy u go in the dealer hand over the cash
its a no brainer perfect for average joe who cant afford a 200 series with his moto and dunnydoor
us who have a bit more going on upstairs like to be more specific in what we want and dont follow like a herd of sheep and build something more custom which is whatthis site is meant to be about not getting emotional and crying

ps do u have a banjo rack in your lux you need something to keep those three fingers busy

[Splitpin]

No banjo rack.......but I bet there is a box of tissues to dry the eyes

[BeZeRK]

Wow i have struck a real cord with the soft core ifs boys
such pasion and emotion !!!
if only we could put it to a good use instead of being wasted on such a
worthless cause

I am trying to work out what u r saying you say i am "wanker show off " i am not seeing how this is posible if i am by myself in the middle of nowhere as you also stated

as for your statement regarding most of us would prefer to travel in a reliable comfy car when touring
well i hate to break it to you my truck is a lot more comfy than a new lux i have driven the new lux with its airbag bull bar shaking around in the brease and dash shudderingover corrigations due to the cart springs fitted to the rear of the truck
i much rather a more solid all steel truck with airbag suspension and nice cold aircon and a comfy chair no shuddering or rattles
as for reliability the truck is a lot more robust than a new lux and if it did break i would be able to fix it unlike the D4d with its peaso injectors and variable vane turbo it will be a flat bed ride home for that baby!! you need a laptop just to change an injector!!
as i said all the parts that wear or are subject to damage are off the shelf parts so replacements are easy

i am sorry you are so sad maybe i can help make you feel better and pull your ifs bashplate of the mud one day by your flimsy airbag bull bar
woops i hope it dont fall off rusell cought style

hope to drive past you on a track one day
cheers
thrashlux

Mate, get your hand off it and go back and read my posts.,

As for being and IFS Lover, im saying they are fine if driven correctly and kept to the tracks that suit.. When im touring i dont go trying to rock crawl in a fully loaded truck in the middle of know where for the risk of breaking somthing, doesnt matter how tuff it is, still not worht the risk being stuck in the middle of no where.

Ive said Multiple times, if i am going playing ive got my weekend truck and beleive it or not, its got a solid axle and guess what , I agree with you, Solid axle kills IFS when your trying to be king of the mountain, but for doing a long trip... Ill stick with my inadaquate IFS, in my comfortable and more than capable Hilux..

[chunks]

We have an 07 Hilux........ 4 clutches, rear main oil seal, one new gearbox, resealed transfer case, one airconditioning compressor, new waterpump, 3 different suspension setups (not Toyota's fault), diesel knock from hell when cold but Toyota won't replace the injectors even though they have done others, oh and Toyota themselves said the rear diff and wheel bearings will probably go soon too. All this in under 50 000km. Yep, awesome vehicle.

[mick80]

geez fellas this has turned into war of the worlds.
cheerz mick
go the 80s

[mick80]

We have an 07 Hilux........ 4 clutches, rear main oil seal, one new gearbox, resealed transfer case, one airconditioning compressor, new waterpump, 3 different suspension setups (not Toyota's fault), diesel knock from hell when cold but Toyota won't replace the injectors even though they have done others, oh and Toyota themselves said the rear diff and wheel bearings will probably go soon too. All this in under 50 000km. Yep, awesome vehicle.

how many others have had this problem? let us know!
cheers mick

[thrashlux]

Wow i have struck a real cord with the soft core ifs boys
such pasion and emotion !!!
if only we could put it to a good use instead of being wasted on such a
worthless cause

I am trying to work out what u r saying you say i am "wanker show off " i am not seeing how this is posible if i am by myself in the middle of nowhere as you also stated

as for your statement regarding most of us would prefer to travel in a reliable comfy car when touring
well i hate to break it to you my truck is a lot more comfy than a new lux i have driven the new lux with its airbag bull bar shaking around in the brease and dash shudderingover corrigations due to the cart springs fitted to the rear of the truck
i much rather a more solid all steel truck with airbag suspension and nice cold aircon and a comfy chair no shuddering or rattles
as for reliability the truck is a lot more robust than a new lux and if it did break i would be able to fix it unlike the D4d with its peaso injectors and variable vane turbo it will be a flat bed ride home for that baby!! you need a laptop just to change an injector!!
as i said all the parts that wear or are subject to damage are off the shelf parts so replacements are easy

i am sorry you are so sad maybe i can help make you feel better and pull your ifs bashplate of the mud one day by your flimsy airbag bull bar
woops i hope it dont fall off rusell cought style

hope to drive past you on a track one day
cheers
thrashlux

Mate, get your hand off it and go back and read my posts.,

As for being and IFS Lover, im saying they are fine if driven correctly and kept to the tracks that suit.. When im touring i dont go trying to rock crawl in a fully loaded truck in the middle of know where for the risk of breaking somthing, doesnt matter how tuff it is, still not worht the risk being stuck in the middle of no where.

Ive said Multiple times, if i am going playing ive got my weekend truck and beleive it or not, its got a solid axle and guess what , I agree with you, Solid axle kills IFS when your trying to be king of the mountain, but for doing a long trip... Ill stick with my inadaquate IFS, in my comfortable and more than capable Hilux..

thats fine its all to their own
its great you have 2 trucks and it is true what you say about not going too crazy while in the middle of nowhere

what i am saying (please dont take offence) is there are trucks available that can tour comfortably and tackle the rough stuff as well
generally speaking they are trucks with 4 coils and live axles

some times when touring things dont always work out as they should and things that are out of your control take over
like the day i was on the creb track on a nice sunny day then a massive rainstrom came in while halfway through I know for a fact that the new hilux could have done the track easy while dry but when the track became rivers and clay and mud the poor lux would not have got far it would have meant camping illegaly(in the middle of the road) with a heap of wild pigs and leaches

there is no harm in having some off road capability and extra strength up your sleeve if it does not sacrifice comfort and touring capability

but if youy r happy with what u have thats fine which is a capable tourer
( i have never disputed that)
the question asked was " i want to know how the new hilux goes in the ruff stuff i will be doing mostly touring but want to tackle some of the ruff stuff as well"
thats why i am really puzzled about being called an ifs hater its not that at all its about choosing a truck that will do the job the best
and yes as our mate lumbajack pointed out i am not an ifs hater,
but he seems to think i hate new trucks well that is not true either i just think the latest offerings by toyota ( bar the 70 series)have gone soft they have become a lot more road orientated than say 10 years ago

[Splitpin]

We have an 07 Hilux........ 4 clutches, rear main oil seal, one new gearbox, resealed transfer case, one airconditioning compressor, new waterpump, 3 different suspension setups (not Toyota's fault), diesel knock from hell when cold but Toyota won't replace the injectors even though they have done others, oh and Toyota themselves said the rear diff and wheel bearings will probably go soon too. All this in under 50 000km. Yep, awesome vehicle.

That sucks the big one buddy, but look at the bright side, with all the new Hilux lovers on this site you should have no problems selling it when the time comes.

[Roctoy]

[Mad Cruiser]

Guys ! Take the lovefest elsewhere, This is the Toyota Tech Section not general chitchat

[BOGAN V8]

Chris with the funnies!!

[skootin]

We have an 07 Hilux........ 4 clutches, rear main oil seal, one new gearbox, resealed transfer case, one airconditioning compressor, new waterpump, 3 different suspension setups (not Toyota's fault), diesel knock from hell when cold but Toyota won't replace the injectors even though they have done others, oh and Toyota themselves said the rear diff and wheel bearings will probably go soon too. All this in under 50 000km. Yep, awesome vehicle.

The clutch issue is easily fixed the flywheel needs a steep machined onto it .022" is enough and use the original clutch.
Proven and works fine and Toyota Australia should know about this it was done to a demo hilux at a dealership and on every warranty ever since.
As for your rear main it would be resultant damage due to the excessive heat generated by a slipping clutch.
Cant help with your other issues mate just bad luck i guess.

[Dannyboy]

I have a 2009 august update with the clutch with the upgraded pressure plate. Prado struts 3" lift, 32s, arb bar work $50 000 on road. goes good uses 10l/100km on Tassie roads (no freeways etc)

[joepeddo]

You can't make a blanket statement like "ifs is bad" or "leaf springs are bad". You judge a vehicle on its performance not on some generic blanket statement.

Leaf springs are there for a reason - they are simple, spread load over two points on the chassis and fit directly under the chassis rather than on a tacked on mount on the side. They are used almost universally in industry where continuous high duty, reliability and load carrying capacity are required.

IFS provide accurate car like steering and handling whilst still having reasonable travel according to the design. You can design IFS to have as much travel as you want. Judge a vehicles suspension travel on how much suspension travel it has, not whether it is IFS or not. And put suspension travel into context based on the application the vehicle is used for (tourer vs rock crawler etc).

Hiluxes are used extensively in industry and for a reason - a reputation for being tough and reliable.

Did half of you (not mentioning names) not read the original post? Miss the touring part? Why are people trying to convey their irrelevant opinions about their preferred rock climbing setups? And silly statements like "the hilux sank in the sand". Flotation on sand is 99% how low the pressure is in your tyres and 1% vehicle characteristics. Hiluxes are excellent in the sand. Try to provide unbiased advice rather than getting emotional about your experiences and preferred setups.

Yes the hilux is a perfect solution for a tourer / off road camper, cape york basher etc. Drives well, capable 4WD, efficient, reliable, and ready out of the box to handle a heap of camping and fishing equipment (plus esky filled with your favourite beer) over the back axle with no problems.

[rockcrawler31]

at the blue mountains hilux meet, the solid axle trucks spent alot of the time towing the ifs hiluxs.

it was tougher off road tracks (though not rediculous stuff).

the ifs owners often vented frustration and the need to do some big dollar mods.

no doubt that it is easier to mod solid axle trucks for hard tracks.

for touring its a different issue, when touring you dont run the hard line for fun as often as if you stuff it up you might be ruined.

I would happily tour in a new lux but would want a locker to help make up for the lost wheel travel and a winch for self rescue.

Having said that I have a solid axle lux im about to sell and a newer solid axle patrol which will play and travel - for me this is better and i wouldnt want a new lux.

for touring only a lux would suffice.

IMO

I think i was on that trip

I tend to agree with you hanko. For rough stuff i love my hardcore built coily cruiser, but to be honest for travel it's a proper pain in the arse. I'd rather have EITHER a nice dual cab ute or an 80 series. I'd only take the 80 series because i'm a tall bloke and i need the seating position it offers. But frankly, after driving around IFS hilux's at work putting gross mileage on them and abusing them to within an inch of their life i'd happily have one for hard touring. Lockers, winch, 33's and a decent storage system for the tray i reckon i could take it almost anywhere.

[thrashlux]

You can't make a blanket statement like "ifs is bad" or "leaf springs are bad". You judge a vehicle on its performance not on some generic blanket statement.

Leaf springs are there for a reason - they are simple, spread load over two points on the chassis and fit directly under the chassis rather than on a tacked on mount on the side. They are used almost universally in industry where continuous high duty, reliability and load carrying capacity are required.

I agree 100% with this statement
but they are not as comfortable as coils to ride on over rough roads or corrigations which is most commonly encounted while touring
ie development road to the cape

realisticly if given the choice at the dealer say you had a no cost option of a brand new hilux dual cab all the same but it had live axles and coils at all corners (like the nissan patrol ute does)
i am sure a lot of touring people would take that option up

i know leaves have their place and they are needed in work trucks where load varies a lot
but a touring truck is normally set up for a weight and only varies in pasengers ,fuel and water loads
but as that option is not the case you have to just get the only thing on offer and that thing is on offer leaves and ifs which is fine on smooth roads be it dirt or sealed

but we are talking touring not tarmac work which i why i would prefer a nice standard 4 coil set up (not a rock crawler)ie 80 series or live 100

[4x4joel4x4]

nothing more to say.

[berad]

OHHH no, toyota put your shackles on the wrong end of the spring .

PS, your shackle angle is at 90 degrees = heaps more to say

[crankycruiser]

I have had a few new shape Lux's as work ute's (andd used them in the bush) and also a ML triton (3.2l my own personal car)

Depends on wat u want to do with it really, a couple of lockers and a lil lift and 33's and sure they will go most places..

personally i'd take the ML over the lux.. more room inside, more grunt ( mine had 33's and a mates lux had 33's and mine would kill his lux in every aspect) nicer interior on the ML...

All my work luxs had factory bull bars, and on the corrugations they used to smash into the bodyand make a hell of a racket... junk bar really!

But if u wanna go silly then get something solid axel and cheap so it dont matter if u dent it!

[BeZeRK]

hilux'sno longer come with factorybull bars.. thanks god anyway, they were crapola!

[thehanko]

at the blue mountains hilux meet, the solid axle trucks spent alot of the time towing the ifs hiluxs.

it was tougher off road tracks (though not rediculous stuff).

the ifs owners often vented frustration and the need to do some big dollar mods.

no doubt that it is easier to mod solid axle trucks for hard tracks.

for touring its a different issue, when touring you dont run the hard line for fun as often as if you stuff it up you might be ruined.

I would happily tour in a new lux but would want a locker to help make up for the lost wheel travel and a winch for self rescue.

Having said that I have a solid axle lux im about to sell and a newer solid axle patrol which will play and travel - for me this is better and i wouldnt want a new lux.

for touring only a lux would suffice.

IMO

I think i was on that trip

I tend to agree with you hanko. For rough stuff i love my hardcore built coily cruiser, but to be honest for travel it's a proper pain in the arse. I'd rather have EITHER a nice dual cab ute or an 80 series. I'd only take the 80 series because i'm a tall bloke and i need the seating position it offers. But frankly, after driving around IFS hilux's at work putting gross mileage on them and abusing them to within an inch of their life i'd happily have one for hard touring. Lockers, winch, 33's and a decent storage system for the tray i reckon i could take it almost anywhere.

yes indeed you were, how was the big reds clutch after that run?

[Jcas24]

personally i'd take the ML over the lux.. more room inside, more grunt ( mine had 33's and a mates lux had 33's and mine would kill his lux in every aspect) nicer interior on the ML...

The ML has a terrible dash (I drive a pov pack for work) Cheap and tacky plastic and rattles already with only 27,oookm. Rear springs are shot as well. Also comparing single cabs, less leg room, and less room behind the seat than a hilux. Passenger seat is about 2inches thick at most. I would never own one.

[4x4joel4x4]

OHHH no, toyota put your shackles on the wrong end of the spring .

PS, your shackle angle is at 90 degrees = heaps more to say

i think i should just re-think my whole life by the sounds of that

[4x4joel4x4]

You guys are as bad as ford vs holden,

its just new vs old they both have there strong and weak points and are better for different things, so in the bigger picture no one on this god dam post is ever going to agree, everyone is in 4x4 for different things not just touring and not just scaling rocky mountains.