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paultherocksta96 wrote:My belief from what I've read and have worked in the QLD tyre selling bussines is that the 15mm up and 26mm down rule are for passanger cars and soft roaders. If it has a chasis it is classed as a offroader and a commercial vehical and you are allowed to increase the diameter by 11% or by 2 sizes. This is my two cents worth and what I think is true. 33's on a Gq should be fine.
If that were true, 35s on a GQ would be fine. The lil booklet that came in the glovebox of my maverick lists 7.50R16 and 10R15 as tyre options, along with 215/80R16.
That's a max of around 31.8". Add 11% to that and you get 35s.
what pings me the most is that this was probably an isolated incident.for example,today the same copper is probably going to drive past a 4by with 35's. if the police are going to enforce tyre rules on 4wds,then do it everyday of the week. and by the way, my car was just resprayed and looks very bling and i was very agreeable until after he'd written the ticket. oh well looks like the 33's sit under the house with my 35" claws and i buy some 32" tyres for the road.......sweet? a trailer only 4by is looking better all the time.
HeathGQ wrote:The way i see it, if you can insured for the mod, then you should be able to drive on the roads with it.
Heath have a close read of the clauses in your insurance policy- they all state the vehicle must be maintained in a roadworthy condition for the policy to be valid. That means your policy is void if your tyres are too large by state laws.
Like I said earlier I made lots of enquiries here in SA for larger tyres on my Feroza (which has a chassis etc) and was told the +15mm rule is the law- this was from TransportSA and Regency Park who inspect vehicles. Do a bit of searching on the internet and you'll find all the rules for your state are usually available online- don't go on rumours!
yeah I might get into the trailer building side of things and make a mint from all you poor bastards with 35/37/44/59" tires
I think that cops are Farkers too, sure you can say everyone loves them when they save your life and shit, but cmon there slack, rude pricks (not all of them) that sometimes abuse there authority. And other times dont use it to its full potential.
I have many true life situations were I have found myself totally farken disgusted with a cops attitude/comment/action towards another human being.
If it doesnt involve a direct ticket or abit of ego boosting authority most of the time they are just not interested.
That sux you got busted for the 33s stickin out 8mm, but theres nuthing you/we can do about it, THE COPS WILL NEVER CHANGE
ozy1 wrote:I drove around in QLD for nearly 2 weeks over xmas, and wasnt hassled once about my 33" tyres, no mudflaps, and chopped flares, i had cops following me, and was giving them showers of waters off the damp road,
My understanding is its a Qld Rego thing - other states allow the taller tyres (under conditions e.g. engineering certificate?) and so the car might be legal in the state in which it is registered, and it is legal to drive it in Qld. The Qld regs only apply to Qld registered vehicles. When I looked about 2 years ago Qld, NSW, Vic and SA (only ones I checked) ALL had the 15mm upper limit. Some states allow taller tyres to be engineer approved, Qld doesn't.
Scott
Not quite unfortunately, once you're in a different satate their rules apply Though you could probably talk your way out of it if you argue your point
Crikey, it's no wonder some of them are spiteful, how would you react if someone constantly had nothing nice to say about the job that you do? These guys and girls don't make the rules, they just enforce them. There may be some hitlers among them, but the majority are just normal people doing a job. They read the posts on this site and others, and there is a lot of personally identifiable information on the 'net, it is not that hard to single people out, don't say you haven't been warned...
The government is always watching, that is their job, to protect you from yourself...oh and the aliens are watching too, but they can't read my mind due to my deflector beanie
Area54 wrote:Crikey, it's no wonder some of them are spiteful, how would you react if someone constantly had nothing nice to say about the job that you do? These guys and girls don't make the rules, they just enforce them. There may be some hitlers among them, but the majority are just normal people doing a job. They read the posts on this site and others, and there is a lot of personally identifiable information on the 'net, it is not that hard to single people out, don't say you haven't been warned...
The government is always watching, that is their job, to protect you from yourself...oh and the aliens are watching too, but they can't read my mind due to my deflector beanie
Most police are honest hard working people who have to enforce the law whether we like it or not. The laws can be draconian but the officer didn't make them, some balding fat cat with a 900% super scheme did
Of course there are some cowboy officers on an ego trip but don't tar the whole police force because of the 1% of duds
Perhaps when you consider that the 4wd community is labelled cowboys and environmental bandits because of the 1% of #%&$heads in the ranks you can get some perspective about labelling a group like that It's neither fair nor accurate
And the aliens can read my mind whenever they want. There's not much in there besides porn and 4by's I wear the foil beanie for style, not protection
NJ SWB wrote:My understanding is its a Qld Rego thing - other states allow the taller tyres (under conditions e.g. engineering certificate?) and so the car might be legal in the state in which it is registered, and it is legal to drive it in Qld. The Qld regs only apply to Qld registered vehicles. When I looked about 2 years ago Qld, NSW, Vic and SA (only ones I checked) ALL had the 15mm upper limit. Some states allow taller tyres to be engineer approved, Qld doesn't.
Scott
Not quite unfortunately, once you're in a different satate their rules apply Though you could probably talk your way out of it if you argue your point
Mj, the traffic rules of the state apply - speed limit, give way rules, towing speeds etc. but my understanding is that there is a mutual recognition thing - if the vehicle is legally registered in one state it must be regarded as legal by the relevant authority in all states. This is to ensure freedom of movement between all States in our Federation, may even be in the Federal Constitution (any Constitutional Law buffs on board?)
If you can point to legistation that says otherwise, please do. I've been wrong before, and I'm sure it will happen again. But just because some Neanderthal Queensland copper once issued a ticket on a NSW registered car doesn't mean he was correct. Police officers do make mistakes, not that you'll often hear one admit it.
NJ SWB wrote:Mj, the traffic rules of the state apply - speed limit, give way rules, towing speeds etc. but my understanding is that there is a mutual recognition thing - if the vehicle is legally registered in one state it must be regarded as legal by the relevant authority in all states. This is to ensure freedom of movement between all States in our Federation, may even be in the Federal Constitution (any Constitutional Law buffs on board?)
It isn't in the constitution, although you are close - the federal government is constitutionally restrained from passing laws that discriminate against states. However, since all the laws in question are state laws, the federal constitution does not affect them.*
However - I believe you are right anyway. Interstate registration is recognised in every state.
Of course, you must be an interstate resident to have interstate registration - they are entitled to book you if you are living in Qld but registering your car in a different state.
chimpboy wrote:Of course, you must be an interstate resident to have interstate registration - they are entitled to book you if you are living in Qld but registering your car in a different state.
have any of you queenslanders been pulled over by that 'snr sgt. walsh' guy with the coke bottle glasses? he was in the paper down here, and it said he gave out about 75,000 tickets and most of the people who recived a ticket drove away with a smile. (coz he looks like he has the hubble telescope lenses stuck on his face)
i think ive said it before but, i thought the 15mm dia. change rule was for rims. ive always thought tyres were about 10% size difference or something along those lines
383FJ45 wrote:i think ive said it before but, i thought the 15mm dia. change rule was for rims. ive always thought tyres were about 10% size difference or something along those lines
MaccA
This is off vic roads web site vehicle standards info sheet, has some usefull info on the pretty much everything, if you can be arsed reading it.
The overall diameter of any replacement rim and tyre must not be:
more than 15mm greater than largest diameter tyre specified by the vehicle manufacturer for that model or vehicle series; or
more than 15mm less than the smallest diameter tyre specified by the vehicle manufacturer for that model or vehicle series.
mj wrote:Most police are honest hard working people who have to enforce the law whether we like it or not. The laws can be draconian but the officer didn't make them, some balding fat cat with a 900% super scheme did
I think some of the problem is not the enforcement of the law but the interpretation of it.
For example, you are allowed to replace your diff/axle/brakes. Can you run the size of the tyre designed for that diff/axle/brake combo or only what was original in the vehicle? Would be interesting to see a court ruling on this! The guys with mog portals would be sweet
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Nev62 wrote: For example, you are allowed to replace your diff/axle/brakes. Can you run the size of the tyre designed for that diff/axle/brake combo or only what was original in the vehicle? Would be interesting to see a court ruling on this! The guys with mog portals would be sweet
Now that would be sweet cos most of the patrol drivetran is out of truck stuff. So no doubt they run bigger tyres. Also means that on the a petrol GQ (or turbo landcruiser) you can run a Boat prop for those big bog holes as these motors are used in boats aswell.
(the last bit was a joke but the first bit would be great)
The biggest problem with the current road rules here is a lack of understanding of basic mechanics by the people who write the rules.
I went to my engineer to find out if there were any height restrictions with bull bars and whether they could tilt downward ie stinger bar. His first point of call was Queensland transport who said that it couldn't encrouch on vision and couldn't be protruding from the front axle/wheels by more than 1.2m. He then approached Canberra where the ADRs are written and they couldn't give him and answer.
It makes it hard when the rules aren't set in concrete. Then you're left to argue with the coppa on the street about the interpretations of the road rules. That's why we need the system where and engineer is responsible for ascessing whether modifications are ok or not and then take their word for it. At least the people doing the ascessing will have an idea about what they're looking at.
beebee wrote:It makes it hard when the rules aren't set in concrete. Then you're left to argue with the coppa on the street about the interpretations of the road rules.
The thing is with the bobby's is ya cant really argue with em anyway (unless you have a nice rack). Cause fact of the matter is they really couldnt give a feck about what you think. Half the time I can't believe they can be stuffed to pull "big wheelers" over in the first place. They're used to getting things they work on thrown out in court anyway.
So unless some of us bite the bullet and go in to court regularly and give em our version of the Spanish inquisition, shit aint gonna change. Half the stories I hear the judge ends up throwing out the case anyway. They dont want mugs like us soaking up their resources. At least then we could quote things like lawyers would to the coppers.
EXAMPLE "Sry officer but in the case of Outerlimits4x4 Members vs The Crown the Honourable Judge Ferguson found that the current state of QLD roads precipitates the necessity for 44 inch tyres"
383FJ45 wrote:have any of you queenslanders been pulled over by that 'snr sgt. walsh' guy with the coke bottle glasses? he was in the paper down here, and it said he gave out about 75,000 tickets and most of the people who recived a ticket drove away with a smile. (coz he looks like he has the hubble telescope lenses stuck on his face)
i think ive said it before but, i thought the 15mm dia. change rule was for rims. ive always thought tyres were about 10% size difference or something along those lines
MaccA
yep saw him @ the motor show. he didn't know squat about bump stop rebounds...
Hybrid wrote:EXAMPLE "Sry officer but in the case of Outerlimits4x4 Members vs The Crown the Honourable Judge Ferguson found that the current state of QLD roads precipitates the necessity for 44 inch tyres"
beebee wrote:That's why we need the system where and engineer is responsible for ascessing whether modifications are ok or not and then take their word for it. At least the people doing the ascessing will have an idea about what they're looking at.
careful there... being an engineer myself, civil not mechanical, providing advice from a professional aspect is dangerous, because you are still liable for that advice.
I dont generally give advice over the phone at all anymore.
beebee wrote:That's why we need the system where and engineer is responsible for ascessing whether modifications are ok or not and then take their word for it. At least the people doing the ascessing will have an idea about what they're looking at.
careful there... being an engineer myself, civil not mechanical, providing advice from a professional aspect is dangerous, because you are still liable for that advice.
I dont generally give advice over the phone at all anymore.
Liability is a very sticky area for all at the moment. I think that is why there are such strick limits on the increase of tyres and lift kits in Queensland. There is no financial gain to the govt if they allow a modified vehicle on the road but there is an increased possibily of legal action if the vehicle is involved in an accident.
I guess from their side of the fence, why put your neck on the chopping block for no gain?
383FJ45 wrote:cool thanks, i knew it said rim on it i read it a while ago. its all up to the cop really, so i dont care what it says, until i get caught that is.
MaccA
Macca- read it again! It says 15mm larger for the rim and tyre combination. There's nothing about 10% for tyres- it's 15mm larger max.
Some states (like SA for example) also specify the rim can only 2" larger diameter than factory fit (for all those ricers with their 19" rims ); whereas NSW only specifies the diameter must not be over 15mm larger with no caveat on the rim size increase. SA also specifies only a 1" increase in rim width from memory too, and 26mm for track increase.
beebee wrote:That's why we need the system where and engineer is responsible for ascessing whether modifications are ok or not and then take their word for it. At least the people doing the ascessing will have an idea about what they're looking at.
careful there... being an engineer myself, civil not mechanical, providing advice from a professional aspect is dangerous, because you are still liable for that advice.
I dont generally give advice over the phone at all anymore.
Liability is a very sticky area for all at the moment. I think that is why there are such strick limits on the increase of tyres and lift kits in Queensland. There is no financial gain to the govt if they allow a modified vehicle on the road but there is an increased possibily of legal action if the vehicle is involved in an accident.
I guess from their side of the fence, why put your neck on the chopping block for no gain?
I can appreciate what you're saying and understand where you are coming from. Unfortunately the advice of professionals is not sought in enough instances. Half the time I don't understand why the Queensland Transport even has a modifications section as they don't seem to display any more uderstanding of mechanics than the rest of us amateurs. It certainly makes you question their integrity.
All they have to do is to atempt to arrive at a solution rather than flat out barring a certain mod ie larger tires if there is no body lift, spring lift and brakes are upgraded. This needs a "case by case" appraisal which would send more work the engineers way and make Queensland Transports job easier. Sure it may cost the consumer more in engineer's fees but at least you would feel like you are getting something for your $$.
At the moment, in many cases, engineers are not allowed to give thier professional advice and aren't really much more than a Queensland Transport administrator.
Go to a solicitor and have a bit of paperwork prepared that states that you wish to drive on some of QLD's gazetted roads, namely the ones across the Simpson desert. Due to the constraints placed on the allowable vehicle modifications regarding tyre/rim size, allowable lifts, increases in track width, etc., you have been advised to rerquest that the QLD Government (QLD Transport) accept liability for any death or disablement caused by the limited capacity of a standard 4WD with allowable modifications to traverse their gazetted road (maintained by QLD Transport).
Could be an interesting angle, they can't stop you travelling on any road in QLD, except by closing the road, and you have a right to go wherever you want for whatever reason you want..........
George Carlin, an American Comedian said; "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realise that half of them are stupider than that".
GaryInOz wrote:I would say approach it from another angle.
Go to a solicitor and have a bit of paperwork prepared that states that you wish to drive on some of QLD's gazetted roads, namely the ones across the Simpson desert. Due to the constraints placed on the allowable vehicle modifications regarding tyre/rim size, allowable lifts, increases in track width, etc., you have been advised to rerquest that the QLD Government (QLD Transport) accept liability for any death or disablement caused by the limited capacity of a standard 4WD with allowable modifications to traverse their gazetted road (maintained by QLD Transport).
Could be an interesting angle, they can't stop you travelling on any road in QLD, except by closing the road, and you have a right to go wherever you want for whatever reason you want..........
Ormeau has gazetted roads..... that is an interesting angle... anyone a solicitor?????? QLDGAL works for a solicitor - cant she do some extra curriculum research for us all!!
a dude i know had a 89 gq that has 29's as standard so he went to 31's no prob but got a 90 or 91 trye placard fom nissan(i think or repco) quoted another guys model id and got it sent to him and replaced the old placard without any notice of year change.
now he needs flares though
1995 lwb gq patrol 2.8 litre turbo diesel.
fairly standard for now cept a mostly rebuilt motor and front diff!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
100s gxl cruiser triple locked and plenty of afetrmarket touring crap!
toonfish wrote:a dude i know had a 89 gq that has 29's as standard so he went to 31's no prob but got a 90 or 91 trye placard fom nissan(i think or repco) quoted another guys model id and got it sent to him and replaced the old placard without any notice of year change.
now he needs flares though
I'll stick my neck out and say the regulations relate to what was offered by the factory for that model. A tyre placard for another model may throw off Mr Plod on the side of the road, but if an insurance company (for instance) wanted to look into it, it wouldn't take them too long to discover that your tyre placard doesn't match the manufacturer's specs.
No matter how much I argue, they keep telling me my ignorance is no excuse
1995 lwb gq patrol 2.8 litre turbo diesel.
fairly standard for now cept a mostly rebuilt motor and front diff!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
100s gxl cruiser triple locked and plenty of afetrmarket touring crap!
a trailer only 4by is looking better all the time.
It's neither fair nor accurate
i read it a while ago. its all up to the cop really, so i dont care what it says, until i get caught that is. 
