SHORT COURSE (who's coming up) 6th/ 7th march

[big red]

in my opinion the ASCC is about rockstacking as the aim of the comp is to drive from point A to point B with the least points and rock stacking can be used to your advantage to minimise points loss.

Vertical Assault is about driving a hard hill and those that drive it move onto a harder hill then a harder one until only one vehicle can drive it.
In my opinion you shouldnt be allowed to change the hill to suit you !!

on another slant.....what if points were added to vertical assault to make it like the ASCC then jimmy b's run would have been something like 3 minutes of rockstacking equals 6 lots of 5 points so he would have scored 30 points for that hill alone....nobody who did the whole gorge run including that hill scored that much.

When the ASCC shootout happened paul drove that hill with hardly a wheelspin thanks to the rockstacking....before the rockstacking it took him three goes to do it.

And another thing...driving a jeep has nothing to do with the argument about rockstacking, i dont know what made you bring that up ? feeling defensive ?

Vertical assault should usually be won by high powered capable vehicles in a spectacular style...thats the aim of the comp.
[i was just lucky the damp ground gave me traction to get around the low power of my truck]

Just my opinion....shane

[big red]

[quote="antt"]you're right troy, beebee wasn't entered so he could take as many attempts as he wanted. but a couple of other vehicles did have more than 3 attempts at the log wall on sunday morning while they were waiting for the other competitors to show up, so i think it was a good effort that he managed to do it in the wet and muddy conditions




a few of us went and had a play to keep the spectators amused until the the other guys finished the ASCC tracks...this was not part of the comp .
i had a million goes at the log wall and the dogs bowl with no result and can vouch for BEE BEE's effort....well done and he also provided a lot of entertainment for the crowd

[Rolly]

first off i would like to thank glen and all the volunteers for another great week end . the tracks were very challenging and all competitors put on a great show. it was good to see the jeeps compete and do so well it puts more pressure on us all to lift our game.
regular competitors in the short course know the rules of the competition and use them to there advantage . bbs car is very capable and driver and navie work well together but the lack of knowledge of the rules would have been there downfall if they had entered the comp .
who cares if somone packed rocks and others didnt its who drove it the smartest as a team that will win the stage. i hope we see more makes and models of vehicles come into the shortcourse as it can only be good for the sport as a whole . thanks again guys for a great week end and see ya in townsville .

[antt]

GROUP HUG

[andy & di]

All I can comment on is that the ASCC is a great event and weather you drive a Nissan, Toyota, Suzuki or Jeep it puts all on a level ( and some what rocky and tilted) playing field. It was my first attempt at any sort of competition outside of my club and I had a ball. To all other competitors congratulations and best of luck to those off to Townsville for the Inaugural round of the ASCC in FNQ

Andy

[Hybrid]

You know me antt, and you know i'm very much into the 4wding side of life. Jeeps are my favourite because i've never owned a toyota, nissan etc. Tho i currently own a crap daihatsu. Waiting to get my next jeep. Was even thinking about a toyota.

Ohhhhh Daihatsu basher, Daihatsu basher!!!!!!!! Spose your gonna start paying out on pink Miatas next!

Seriously though if a bunch of guys ignores a stranger with a genuine question I think this is more a reflection on their civilty than their opinion on your vehicle make. They must have just been a bunch of fawkwitz (or carboard cutouts) to ignore you.

John

[beebee]

My name has been mentioned in too many posts for me to sit here and not say anything.......

I had a conversation with Glen (via email) 2 weeks ago announcing my wishes to enter to which he said (if I remember correctly) that he would send out some rules and an entry form and I would need to pay him part of the entry before the event. I didn't receive this. When we arrived on Sunday morning we asked where the events were being held and went straight there. We spoke to 4 separate officials before even lining up at the starting gate. We told them that we had not seen Glen yet and they said to begin anyway.

I sent a PM to Glen on Tuesday morning (before this thread got nasty) and appologised for not catching up with him on Sunday. I offered to pay whatever entry fee was necessary because although I probably wasn't being assigned points (at least for the vertical assult) I still was out there driving "his" tracks. I am yet to hear back from him.

Although I wasn't there for the driver's briefing, I spoke to an official before I ran the first stage. He told me the rules and I specifically asked him about limitations on amount on attempts. He recognised that we were the final competitor and said that he would use his disgression but he didn't mind repeted attempts. We assumed this was par for the remainder of the courses.

Unfortunately we didn't realise that the rock wall was part of the final assult stage. We hadn't seen anyone drive it and realised that they were looking for competitors. So we went down with the intention to put on a show. We motioned to Glen before getting to the wall and he said to go ahead. If I had known that it was part of the track then I would have driven differently.

And as far as rock stacking goes, I feel it has a detrimental effect on tracks (although probably not as bad as me spinning my boggers). I realise that it is a part of the event and as such had no problem with the tactic being used on the tracks other than the rock wall (remember I thought that this was not a part of the competition). Each event has rules and you manipulate them to get the best advantage. That's a big part of the sport and not something I disagree with.

And finally the vehicle make thing. I have no problems with any other makes. I almost bought a nissan once and would have always loved a jeep. From what I saw I think Shane had the best drive of the day (on the rock wall) and the Cheroke (don't know his name - is that JimmyB?) had the most impressive. When Shane drove up I was jealous and when the Jeep drove up I was gobsmacked. I think I cheered and clapped the loudest of all the spectators (at least near me). So much so that I wanted to catch the driver and congratulate him.

So sorry if I offended onyone with any of my coments.

And I plan to be competing (officially) in the next round of ASCC at LCMP.

Congratulations to the winners of both classes.

[beebee]

After that the rock stackers had their go and as far as I'm concerned - they didn't drive the same obsticle we did. By the time they were finsished, what was 2 x 37" or more deep holes at the bottom looked like a pair of car ramps 2 metres long and a paved road to the top. But yeah - you still made me see red ( ) when you drove straight up.

You guys are unbelievable. Who won vertical assault? And wasn't that for 4 tracks, not just the rock 'stacking' track?
Or did I miss the Jeep guys stacking more rocks at the bottom of all the tracks? Bastards! Those toy boys in their jeeps.

I really dont understand the ego shit betwen nissans/toyotas and then... Jeeps. You dont like us, you make it obvious at any event, yet we still manage to do a good job nevertheless.
Someone give me some insight into what i may be missing?

The part that you were missing was that my comment about the Nissan thing was basically "toungue in cheek". For years, within clubs, there has been constant banter between persons driving opposing maunfacturer's vehicles. It's part of the fun. It is always said with a smirk.

And the part about seeing red when Shane drove the rock wall directly after me is that Shane's login is "Big Red". Got it

I made no reference to Jeeps and I'm sure no Nissan driver took offence.

[beebee]

After that the rock stackers had their go and as far as I'm concerned - they didn't drive the same obsticle we did. By the time they were finsished, what was 2 x 37" or more deep holes at the bottom looked like a pair of car ramps 2 metres long and a paved road to the top. But yeah - you still made me see red ( ) when you drove straight up.

You guys are unbelievable. Who won vertical assault? And wasn't that for 4 tracks, not just the rock 'stacking' track?
Or did I miss the Jeep guys stacking more rocks at the bottom of all the tracks? Bastards! Those toy boys in their jeeps.

I really dont understand the ego shit betwen nissans/toyotas and then... Jeeps. You dont like us, you make it obvious at any event, yet we still manage to do a good job nevertheless.
Someone give me some insight into what i may be missing?

beebee wasn't even in the comp, he was just out there giving it a go. and like he said, once rocks have been stacked, its a totally different obsticle. needless to say, he was the ONLY one who drove the logs section over the other side the whole weekend

Lets put things in perspective here, Beebee drove the logs because he was not entered in the comp and could drive the logs with carefree abandon, wheelspin, and any other means to get over the obstacle. The competitors who had paid to compete were constrained to 2 attempts on the obstacle and had to control their wheelspin, to prevent accruing penalty points. If you are saying that the Beebee got up the obstacle where the other vehicles did not (without publishing the true facts), you would be opening up a huge challenge to the other competitors. For true boasting rights, Beebee should have paid his entry fee to compete and then he would have been on equal standing with the other competitors with scoring contraints. Beebee did not conquer the obstacle in 2 attempts, I'm not sure how many attempts he had, but it was more than 3.

1. I was not aware of this rule
2. On the rock wall I had a chit load of attmepts
3. On the log wall I had a few less but still probably enough for 3 competitors

Rock stacking is part of the competition for the ASCC, a totally different style of competition, much like the winch challenge is different. To some, rock stacking may seem like an affront to the manhood of the sport, but the theory behind the ASCC is that you are out for a drive with your mate, and you just had to get from point A to point B without winching, so you would stack where you need to to prevent damage to the vehicle and to improve your chances of success. I will say from (their mouths not mine) a lot of the other competitors thought the ski rope idea was a bit weak, similar to the rock stacking argument. So you can see each 4wd sport code has it's different methods of acheiving the same ends, competing in safety and penalty scoring low, just keep the criticisms quiet and within the proper circles, by being mature and professional the sport will grow.

I see no problem with rock stacking if it is part of the event. My coments were based on misinformation and ignorance.

Ski rope is probably a bit weak but being more interested in rockcrawling where it is considered standard, I've never actually looked at it from afar.

Comments weren't meant to criticise anybody and I appologise for doing so :oops:



FACT: The Cherokee of JimmyB was the only rig to drive the rock wall in one hit, but with rock stacking, and no spotters strap or ski rope. Did anybody count the number of attempts that was made by Beebee, each attempt would be acruing penalty points.

All paid competition vehicles competed the whole weekend with minimal damage over the whole weekend, apart from consumables like CV's etc. These are seasoned competitors with a lot of experience and well set up rigs. It is easy to criticise the comp from a distance, I would like to see more OL vehicles competing at ASCC for next round. Rock stacking is a penalised item, ski ropes are not, so come along and put the rigs and driving skill to the test, this way the boasting rights can be earned, instead of just by heresay and mis-information. Impress me enough, and I will put you in the highlights...


See you next round :D

[beebee]

I just wish everyone would get over the ego thing and just compete.

Without egos, there would be no competition.

[beebee]

seems this has all got a little out of hand over bugger all really

Yes I agree with you antt. Good points have been brought up tho.
To stack or not to stack? To get the ski rope out or not to get the ski rope out? We all like watching trucks boot the crap out of themselves and hammer it anywhere, not just on hills. But not everyone wants to break an axel first up in the day, nor at the end of it, if it can be helped.

Just wished it was more relaxed at times. You know me antt, and you know i'm very much into the 4wding side of life. Jeeps are my favourite because i've never owned a toyota, nissan etc. Tho i currently own a crap daihatsu. Waiting to get my next jeep. Was even thinking about a toyota.

Is the logan run still on this weekend? I'd like to get Jimmyb to enter. Haven't been in ages.

Sorry for the multiple posts but seems like my ego has gotten out of hand too

And by the way, for my efforts I received, 1 broken wrap bar, 2 bent rear springs, 1 badly dinted fuel tank, 2 holes in chassis where shock hoop tore away. Not bad for a Sunday morning - damn egos!

[antt]

nice work beebee

[Hoonz]

*cheers*
good work beebee ehehehe

[jeepgirl]

Seriously though if a bunch of guys ignores a stranger with a genuine question I think this is more a reflection on their civilty than their opinion on your vehicle make. They must have just been a bunch of fawkwitz (or carboard cutouts) to ignore you.

John

Your the only person who seems to have gotten the point of my first post.
I was amused by the numerous amount of people who threw their backs to us, hence I asked 'is it a jeep thing'?
I'm glad they are just fawkwitz and cardboard cutouts.

[beebee]

Seriously though if a bunch of guys ignores a stranger with a genuine question I think this is more a reflection on their civilty than their opinion on your vehicle make. They must have just been a bunch of fawkwitz (or carboard cutouts) to ignore you.

John

Your the only person who seems to have gotten the point of my first post.
I was amused by the numerous amount of people who threw their backs to us, hence I asked 'is it a jeep thing'?
I'm glad they are just fawkwitz and cardboard cutouts.

Although I don't know the specifics of the above mentioned situation, this attitude (that we come across all too frequently) is a major PITA!

Some people really are just farkwitz. Unfortunately the 4x4 sport seems to attract it's fair share. It's the same people who act irresponsibly and get tracks closed. It's the same people who get drunk and drive around the parks. But these people are everywhere. They're in every workplace, every recreation, and any group of people. I guess it's just something we have to deal with. Try not to let it get to you. And yes, for some reason you're more likely to experience it driving anything other than a toyota or a nissan. Only due to the popularity of these vehicles.

[Link]

I was amused by the numerous amount of people who threw their backs to us, hence I asked 'is it a jeep thing'?

If it was a Jeep thing, none of us would understand

I wouldn't worry about it.. We were treated the same way by a few people up there, but overall most were decent..

[jeepgirl]

Some people really are just farkwitz. Unfortunately the 4x4 sport seems to attract it's fair share. It's the same people who act irresponsibly and get tracks closed. It's the same people who get drunk and drive around the parks. But these people are everywhere. They're in every workplace, every recreation, and any group of people. I guess it's just something we have to deal with. Try not to let it get to you. And yes, for some reason you're more likely to experience it driving anything other than a toyota or a nissan. Only due to the popularity of these vehicles.

Yay! Thankyou for getting my point! This was never intended to be stirring up of a situation, it was merely a question as "I dont understand".
I'm really glad views were shared etc as its given me a lot more insight to the competition. Hopefully see some of you at the Logan Run!

[andy & di]

I've followed the thread all the way and I still"don't understand!" it must be a "Barina" thing

[beebee]

I've followed the thread all the way and I still"don't understand!" it must be a "Barina" thing

There is something to undestand

[-Mandy-]

Don't know what the problems are but I had fun.
Really enjoyed officialling the event,
catching up & meeting heaps of awesome people & their rigs.

Well done to those who competed & the organisers of ASCC.

(How's the sill of the gold Jeep,& the door of black nissan?)

Mandy

[Black_TJ]

The sills not too bad..... Tell you what it hurt bending her with only 3000km's on her