Notice: We request that you don't just set up a new account at this time if you are a previous user.
If you used to be one of our moderators, please feel free to reach out to Chris via the facebook Outerlimits4x4 group and he will get you set back up with access should he need you.
Recovery:If you cannot access your old email address and don't remember your password, please click here to log a change of email address so you can do a password reset.

diff lock infomation with pictures

General Tech Talk

Moderators: toaddog, TWISTY, V8Patrol, Moderators

Post Reply
Posts: 172
Joined: Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:47 pm
Location: sitting on the back seat of the bus licking your sisters hairy minge

diff lock infomation with pictures

Post by Jock »

OKAY HERE IS SOME LOCKER INFO FOR YOU ALL



ARB AIR LOCKER ON
Image
ARB AIR LOCKER OFF
Image
Here are some pics of the ARB Air Locker at the ARB booth. You can see how the ARB locker operates. The toothed gear slides toward the ring gear to lock the ARB into a spool. In the left photo, the unit is unlocked. The unit is locked in the right photo.
ELECTRIC LOCKER ON
Image
ELECTRIC LOCKER OFF
Image
Star of Tractech's differential show was the new Electrac. The Electrac is a lockable Truetrac. Contrary to previous rumors, the Electrac is a spool when engaged. In the left photo, the unit is unlocked and operates like a standard Truetrac. When the user presses a button, the locking mechanism slides toward the ring gear to lock the unit into a spool. The locking mechanism is driven by a worm gear contained within the black plastic box on the exterior of the axle. Hardly bulletproof but at least you have a Truetrac if the unit should fail in the field.
DETROIT LOCKER UNLOCKED
Image
DETROIT LOCKER LOCKED
Image
Tractech's booth contained numerous demonstration models of its traditional locker products. These are photos of the Detroit Locker, Tractech's most famous and popular product. Turn both wheels in the same direction and the unit is fully locked. Turn one wheel one way and the other wheel the other way, and the toothed clutch plates separate and permit the unit to differentiate.
DETROIT EZ LOCKER
Image
Here is a photo of the Detroit E-Z Locker. This unit is designed for customers who wish to save money by retaining their differential's carrier. The E-Z Locker is thus considerably cheaper than a Detroit Locker, but weaker due to retention of the open carrier.
LOCKRITE UNLOCKED
Image
LOCKRITE LOCKED
Image
Here are some photos of the Powertrax Lock-Rite locker. This locker is very similar to the E-Z Locker from Tractech. In the left photo, the Lock-Rite is locked. In the right photo, the Lock-Rite is unlocked.
GEARLESS LOCKER
Image
Here is Tractech's Gearless Locker. Unlike other locker designs, the Gearless Locker uses steel clutch plates. When both wheels are driven together, the clutch plates compress together in such as fashion as to make them solid and give spool-like performance. When differentiation is required, the clutch plates separate. Operation of the Gearless Locker is said to be very smooth and transparent.
EATON LSD
Image
Unlike the Truetrac, most limited-slip differentials like the one shown above operate like open differentials but have spring-loaded clutch packs to mitigate the otherwise unrestricted slip between the two sides of the differential. This is a far inferior design to that of the Truetrac. These clutch packs wear out and the differential becomes more and more like an open differential with use. Also, these differentials create handling problems on high-traction surfaces like the road because they want to remain tight and prevent differentiation between the two wheels. Finally, these clutch-driven limited slips require special friction modifiers to be mixed into the gear oil to permit the clutch packs to operate smoothly.
TRUETRAC GEARED LSD
Image
The Truetrac is gear-driven, just like the standard differential, and operates on a completely different principle. The Truetrac operates like an open differential in high-traction conditions. On low-traction surfaces, the helical side gears prevent one side from spinning out of control while the other side remains stationary, as often occurs with an open differential. During times of severe differentiation when one side of the axle wants to spin out of control, the helical worm gears are pushed away from the larger helical gears and pushed into the carrier. The additional resistance on the side with less traction diverts torque to the other side of the axle. The gear-driven operation provides several dramatic advantages over the clutch-operated designs. There are no clutch packs to wear out on the Truetrac, and a Truetrac wears no faster than any standard differential. The operation of the Truetrac is also smoother and more transparent than the clutch-operated designs. Finally, there is no special friction modifier required for proper use, and standard 90wt gear oil is the fluid of choice with the Truetrac.
QUAIFE GEARED LSD
Image
STANDARD LSD WITH CLUTCH PACKS
Image
[quote="sheps"]
When was the last time you correctly spelled a motor into a car? The people that should stay away from spanners are pedantic English teachers & keyboard spelling nazi's.[/quote]
Posts: 5803
Joined: Wed Feb 19, 2003 3:02 pm
Location: Brisbane

Post by ISUZUROVER »

Great pics.

Re the Truetrac - if one wheel has heaps of traction, and the other is completely off the ground, it behaves like an open diff (the wheel in the air spins).

Some users will lightly press the brake in these situations, to get the TT to work.

If one wheel has heaps of traction and the other has only a small amount, the TT will work well.
_____________________________________________________________
RUFF wrote:Beally STFU Your becoming a real PITA.
Posts: 172
Joined: Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:47 pm
Location: sitting on the back seat of the bus licking your sisters hairy minge

Post by Jock »

Two more different option to add to this list



Combination LSD and locker in one (land bomb and toyota only)

http://www.kamdiffs.com/four_by_four.ph ... fflock1701


Image


Vacuum locker (For suzuki only)
http://www.mcclever.com/produkte.htm

Image
[quote="sheps"]
When was the last time you correctly spelled a motor into a car? The people that should stay away from spanners are pedantic English teachers & keyboard spelling nazi's.[/quote]
Posts: 3098
Joined: Sat May 28, 2005 3:22 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Post by PJ.zook »

Fark, looks like ARB have new competition in who can charge the most excessive price for machined pieces of steel; the mcclever vacuum locker. According to the site its over $1500 AUD.
Motorized three seater couch buildup:

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic ... 0&t=196047
Posts: 5803
Joined: Wed Feb 19, 2003 3:02 pm
Location: Brisbane

Post by ISUZUROVER »

If we are compiling a list of all locker options, then:

McNamara
Image
(TJM Prolocker is a licenced copy of this)
Available for toyota, f-truck and LR AFAIK
http://www.mcnamaradiffs.com.au/hypoid1.html

Maxi-Drive locker.
Image
Maxi-Drive has closed down, but the axles and drive flanges are now manufactured by Hi-Tough Engineering 3/7 Ryecroft St. Carrara 5530 4123 hi.tough.eng@gmail.com .
The lockers themselves will be made by MR Auto soon.
http://mrautomotive.com.au/index.php?op ... &Itemid=39



PJ.zook wrote:Fark, looks like ARB have new competition in who can charge the most excessive price for machined pieces of steel; the mcclever vacuum locker. According to the site its over $1500 AUD.
It is made in switzerland. Everything is expensive there...
_____________________________________________________________
RUFF wrote:Beally STFU Your becoming a real PITA.
Posts: 1559
Joined: Sun Nov 03, 2002 2:35 pm
Location: Captain Creek QLD

Post by Bush65 »

What hurts is that much of the complexity, expense and reliability issues come from having to modify OEM diffs.

If the OEM designed and made their diffs with lockers, the optional cost could be only a few $ above vehicle purchase price.

See the following pics that show what is involved with the stock Volvo locker.

Axle on one side has longer splines for the dog clutch - small cost to cut longer splines and make dog clutch.

Carrier is made with teeth for the dog clutch to engage with and thereby lock the diff - small cost to machine teeth on carrier.

Lever to slide the dog clutch between the locked and unlocked positions. The lever pivots on a bolt through the axle housing. Volvo used a vacuum operated diaphragm, but users often replace it with a push/pull cable.

Image

Image

Image
John
Posts: 4426
Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:39 pm
Location: Sunshine Coast

Post by bru21 »

Agreed!

That is why a rip off marketing company like Toyota only charges $2735 for a pair.
ADHD Racing would like to thank
Mrs Bru @ Sunshine Coast Developmental Physiotherapy - www.scdphysio.com.au , Ryano @ Fourbys www.generaltire.com.au Blitzkrieg Motorsport
Posts: 404
Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:39 pm
Location: serpintine wa

Post by hillbilliywheelchair »

thanks for the info now to look up more on the tt with locker
thanks jono
Skip 1995 tdi disco the new tourer
Tin Worn the scat crawler with charade (fwd) motor and auto patroll transfer and locked yota diffs all for under $1000
Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests