TUFF TRUCK IS SAVED!!!!!

[N*A*M]

i might try to get in but fat chance with no comp experience or reputation

[grimbo]

I have made some enquiries about the Tuff Truck Comp for 2004 and have been informed that it is not happening.
The message was as follows:
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The new TuffTruck management is currently in the process of taking over the Tuff Truck event. I am dissapointed to advise that it cannot be run this year. We are already working hard towards TuffTruck Challenge 2005 the dates and details for which are still to be announced.

Best Regards
Det
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Let the conversation begin.

No lets wait for the official word as I have stated numerous tims before speculation does no one any favours. So lets sit tight and wait and see

[bj on roids]

Good onya planb
Is my truck not tough enough
Sure I would drive differently if I was not a loud to winch
Still think I can push the Old Mule a bit further

Gordon

Gordon, I would love to compete against you so add yourself to the list. I am sure it was merely an oversight and he was not intending to rule you out. The same with any other serious competitor, just cause you are not mentioned does not mean you shouldnt be there, in fact all the more reason for you to show up and kick ass!

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

so BJ does your offer still stand about rolling on the travel ramp????

and can this offer be transformed to some other event??

why dont you bring your beast down for someother events in NSW???

ok ok i just want to see you roll it, and capture it nicely on film hehe.

[planb]

>
Pete Antunac 40 Series
Glenn Dobbin 45 Series
Sam Overton Mog Rover
Adrian POS
Pete Kincaid Tube Buggy
Matt Dunk Trailcraft Buggy
Sam Keck (the late Aztec)
Matt Pisani Zook Buggy, now with 46 mickeys
Mick Teniswood Zook Buggy, now with 39 iroks
Cristie Air Ram Machine, now with tube
Ruff Kawazaki Lux
BJ 45 Series, now with neon ;-)
Mark Cheeseman The Cheese Machine
Sam overton lockless
Mick Hurren LJ Xtreme, now with nissan axles
Duncan Scott 75 Series
Jamie Way Slinky Sierra
Dan Deasy Rockwell/Michelin Monster ???
Dave Bohm Gutlux
Paul Pisani Zuk/GQ hybrid
Tass in his V8 desiel, coiled long wheel base 45?
Gordo 73 Series

>

[OVERKILL ENG]

The cost of entry. So what if it $1000 cant you save $38 a week over a 6 month period or is your smoking-drinking-religious habit to expensive.

I dont recall anyone whinging about the cost to enter

Not every one has $1000 dollars to throw a way to get 2 free shirts 2 hats and seat covers. As an entrant of the last 2 TTC I won't be spending $1000 to enter the next one.
And NO I don't drink or smoke.

Jeez Sam - I would think that you af all people would have got the most value for money out of your previous tuff truck entries. I think that your results in tuff truck really given you a lot of credibility as a successful fabricator of custom 4wds - probably more so than any other entrant because you produced such a competitive rig from such simple parts.

You would be crazy not to enter again given the publicity that the event will create (especially if they let you run your own stickers)

Sam

Yeh your right i was a bit cranky that night so I am sure when it is on I will be there. Although the lastt TTC they weren't going to let me compete unless I removed all the OVERKILL stickers. An hour of arguing and discussions they let me drive. I agree that the sponsors have a right to have there stickers on the rigs but a lot of the rigs have there own sponsorships form workshops so I think they also have a right to be shown.
SAM

[RUFF]

As from what i have hear it has just changed hands and the new owners are chasing the council for DA and Insurance and listening to CCDA... and i am sure they will let everyone now many many months in advance the rules and regs so that if anyone has to modify there rig to be a competitor the have a fiar go.

If this follows CCDA rules its going to rule out most of the vehicles in the list that Rhys has posted.

[planb]

As from what i have hear it has just changed hands and the new owners are chasing the council for DA and Insurance and listening to CCDA... and i am sure they will let everyone now many many months in advance the rules and regs so that if anyone has to modify there rig to be a competitor the have a fiar go.

If this follows CCDA rules its going to rule out most of the vehicles in the list that Rhys has posted.

by this time next year, CCDA should be able to cater for all these vehicles, properly. Should they secure insurance with CAMS, which is the plan, rules can be annexed to the CCDA rules allowing unregistered vehicles that meet minimum safety requirements to compete.

[Dozoor]

As from what i have hear it has just changed hands and the new owners are chasing the council for DA and Insurance and listening to CCDA... and i am sure they will let everyone now many many months in advance the rules and regs so that if anyone has to modify there rig to be a competitor the have a fiar go.

If this follows CCDA rules its going to rule out most of the vehicles in the list that Rhys has posted.

by this time next year, CCDA should be able to cater for all these vehicles, properly. Should they secure insurance with CAMS, which is the plan, rules can be annexed to the CCDA rules allowing unregistered vehicles that meet minimum safety requirements to compete.

So planb , how about a zook on a rover chassis , will be engineered of course ? At the moment there draft states that Body and chassis needs to be from same vehicle -
So do i breed chooks in my pos ,like the missus wants me to ,
Or continue biulding it ?


Ps. PlanB, your mob owe me a subscription or an apology would suffice.

Larry.

[planb]

As from what i have hear it has just changed hands and the new owners are chasing the council for DA and Insurance and listening to CCDA... and i am sure they will let everyone now many many months in advance the rules and regs so that if anyone has to modify there rig to be a competitor the have a fiar go.

If this follows CCDA rules its going to rule out most of the vehicles in the list that Rhys has posted.

by this time next year, CCDA should be able to cater for all these vehicles, properly. Should they secure insurance with CAMS, which is the plan, rules can be annexed to the CCDA rules allowing unregistered vehicles that meet minimum safety requirements to compete.

So planb , how about a zook on a rover chassis , will be engineered of course ? At the moment there draft states that Body and chassis needs to be from same vehicle -
So do i breed chooks in my pos ,like the missus wants me to ,
Or continue biulding it ?


Ps. PlanB, your mob owe me a subscription or an apology would suffice.

Larry.

My understanding is that, depending on the event, additional rules and regulations can be adopted, if the said additional rules and regs are approved by the CCDA.

An example i have been given for additional rules, would be the waiving of registration requirements for a particular event.

as for chassis and body difference, that would rule out the mog rover (series 2 on range rover) the aztec, custom body on serra chassis, mick hurren in his LJ on lwb sierra chassis, probably paul pisani with his serra chassis with gq crossmembers and a heap more.

i say build the thing comp or no comp, there are private property trails around the place you can wheel it.

and if tuff truck wants spectators and sponsors to line their pockets they better keep up with the rigs, coz without them, there wont be to many people coming through that gate.

the biggest concern i have for my zook buggy is whether it would be up to CAMS spec, because that, i believe, is the standard of future events.

the CCDA rules are a good guidline as to whether your vehicle is heading in the right direction, and the challenge class perametres will be modified to suit the vehicles, within reason.

whats this about an apology or mags ?

[Dozoor]

In the last TT vid , They stated we came 5 or somthing in the mud run ,
Not aprob now , but would have been nice to give our sponsers an acurate video showing there achievment for investment ect ect.

Larry.

[planb]

there was plenty of good footage that never made the video, sorry to hear about your sponsor.

[Dozoor]

Footage was good , But difference between 1st and 7th position is not ,
Any way thats like ancient now , If you don't get input nothing changes hay.
Larry.

[planb]

the mud pit was scored really badly

there were like 10 cars that drove the pit

the score sheets that tuff truck sent me didn't qualify a 1st, 2nd or 3rd place

they just awarded 0 points to ten trucks.

1st, 2nd and 3rd places for that event were arrived at by other means.

and it wasn't a time thing, it was a, 'he did pretty well didn't he ?

we'll give it to him'

[Dozoor]

Expected.

[MADSHORT]

Planb, Sorry you missed the CCDA meeting
Cause if you had of been there you would have knowin that we are going to try and stand alone without CAMS.
So long as we get the numbers to suport CCDA it should not be a problem
If the people on this board would take time to read the CCDA rules and regs they would find that there is suplementry rulings to cater for individual events
Meaning that Tuff Truck and other comps can adjust rulings to suit there style of comp
So please read and understand wot has been proposed to us the 4wdrivers
as we will all benefit from this.
If you have questions go to the CCDA web page and ask them there so you get the right answer


Gordon

[Dozoor]

the mud pit was scored really badly

there were like 10 cars that drove the pit

the score sheets that tuff truck sent me didn't qualify a 1st, 2nd or 3rd place

they just awarded 0 points to ten trucks.

1st, 2nd and 3rd places for that event were arrived at by other means.

and it wasn't a time thing, it was a, 'he did pretty well didn't he ?

we'll give it to him'

The scoring of the event was pretty average in my books, especialy when you need to change one of the top three positions a day after presentation .
Although mistakes can be made ,If the competitors from the general 4x4 community are expected to pay proffesional entry fees to an event
these same guys are going to want ACURRACY In the outcome.
Larry.

[Dozoor]

Planb, Sorry you missed the CCDA meeting
Cause if you had of been there you would have knowin that we are going to try and stand alone without CAMS.
So long as we get the numbers to suport CCDA it should not be a problem
If the people on this board would take time to read the CCDA rules and regs they would find that there is suplementry rulings to cater for individual events
Meaning that Tuff Truck and other comps can adjust rulings to suit there style of comp
So please read and understand wot has been proposed to us the 4wdrivers
as we will all benefit from this.
If you have questions go to the CCDA web page and ask them there so you get the right answer


Gordon

Gordon , what happened to the Email adresses taken at the first meeting at traction four , ?
They where going to keep poeple that attended the first meeting informed ,. I recieved a few then they just stopped.

Have Read the rules and This is exactly where the problem could start,
If the guys or myself have vehicles that are built or being built don.t fit there common rulings then we have to Hope that when we front for a comp they will have annexed these rules to suit the minority-
I relise they are only a draft at the moment but the ruling on chassis needs to have a permanant sup added for our events ---- Or not.

This is not like turning up to an event and being placed in a different class because of tire size , or somthing .You simply won't be competing.
Larry.

[A1]

Any new info regardin this topic

[Singo17]

Yes

TTC 2003 didn't happen

TTC 2004 didn't happen

TTC 2005 will be bigger than the previous two years honest


It is the year 2035 and I still like telling my Grand Kids all about the last non virtual TTC was run in the early part ofthe century.

[antt]

Yes

TTC 2003 didn't happen

TTC 2004 didn't happen

TTC 2005 will be bigger than the previous two years honest


It is the year 2035 and I still like telling my Grand Kids all about the last non virtual TTC was run in the early part ofthe century.

lol

"wooooow grandpa, you were actually around when the legendary tuff truck competitioin was run, wish we'd get to see it some day, i hear 2050 is looking good"

[A1]

That really helps











Cheers Dan

[Midget]

That really helps











Cheers Dan

Why are worried,You never want to get you MALL Cruiser dirty...

Jamie

[patrolman]

have any dates been set?? sorry i cant be bothered looking through 5 pages

[Red Rover]

I have been invloved with cams over the past 8 years with various rally & offroad events. After reading all these posts about saftey etc i wonder just how long it will be before the events are CAMS controlled. I know this subject has been mentioned before in variuos circles and i am surprised it hasn't happened as yet. I know many guys go to great pains to ensure safety. However there are comprimises being made to safety in the intrests of spectaor value. I know this is not intentional, however it still occurs. I have cringed over the years when I have seen spectaors close to cars that can roll, which cables in the line of fire etc. If you have ever attended an ARC rally championship they have designated spectator points strategically placed to ensure no-one gets hurt. Of course this is all part of the risk management procedures as well. I would like to see more saftey control in future events. This is just i point of view and hope i don't get a flogging over it.

[grimbo]

One of the problems with going unders CAMS is that their safety management rules etc are governed by the fact the vehicle competing are moving at high speeds. This makes alot of issues irrelevant to the sport of 4wd. A couple of us have looked into it before and to do so will place a lot of uneccessary equipment and vehicle specs which will add alot of $$$ to vehicles whilst adding to the safety if involved in a 150km/h accident they aren't applicable to a slow speed rollover.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying they are wrong it is just that in their current form their guidelines don't fit our sport. new guidelines would need to be set to met our sports requirements and their requirements.

If this is as rambling as I think it might be I'll try again tommorrow when i finally get a nights sleep

[Thonger]

One of the problems with going unders CAMS is that their safety management rules etc are governed by the fact the vehicle competing are moving at high speeds. This makes alot of issues irrelevant to the sport of 4wd. A couple of us have looked into it before and to do so will place a lot of uneccessary equipment and vehicle specs which will add alot of $$$ to vehicles whilst adding to the safety if involved in a 150km/h accident they aren't applicable to a slow speed rollover.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying they are wrong it is just that in their current form their guidelines don't fit our sport. new guidelines would need to be set to met our sports requirements and their requirements.

If this is as rambling as I think it might be I'll try again tommorrow when i finally get a nights sleep

No seemed to make sense to me

[wldzuk85]

I have heard that Tuff Events and Promotions that are purchasing Tuff Truck Challenge are re-designing the way recovery is done. Winching points and the direction of Winch cable recoil and other high risk activities during competition.

The vehcile specifications for the new event in 2005 from what i have heard has took many hours from a few guys discussing and tossing the thoughts around and trying to make it a more level playing field. One of the many things still under discussion with in Tuff Events and Promotions is the issue of window neting.

[wldzuk85]

I have heard that Tuff Events and Promotions that are purchasing Tuff Truck Challenge are re-designing the way recovery is done. Winching points and the direction of Winch cable recoil and other high risk activities during competition.

The vehcile specifications for the new event in 2005 from what i have heard has took many hours from a few guys discussing and tossing the thoughts around and trying to make it a more level playing field. One of the many things still under discussion with in Tuff Events and Promotions is the issue of window neting.

[hottiemonster]

any recent updates on Tuff Truck?